"Larson C is about to calf 5000km2 glacier for no reason..." Topic

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An iceberg estimated to be 5,000 sq km in size is about to break free from Antarctica after a deep rift rapidly developed last month.

A team of researchers from the universities of Swansea and Aberystwyth has been closely watching and investigating the 350 metre-thick Larsen C ice shelf in West Antarctica as part of Project MIDAS, using imagery from the European Space Agency's Sentinel-1 radar satellite, data gathered on-site and computer simulations. The team issued a statement to its website over the weekend, warning of the impending break: "After a few months of steady, incremental advance since the last event, the rift grew suddenly by a further 18km during the second half of December 2016. Only a final 20km of ice now connects an iceberg one quarter the size of Wales to its parent ice shelf."

Footage captured by Nasa's IceBridge mission in December showed a 70-mile-long, 300-foot-wide rift in Larsen C that cut to the base of the ice shelf. When the glacier inevitably breaks away from Larsen C as is expected, the shelf will lose an estimated 10 per cent of its mass – forming a glacier around a quarter the size of Wales. "This event will fundamentally change the landscape of the Antarctic Peninsula," write the Project MIDAS researchers. "We have previously shown that the new configuration will be less stable than it was prior to the rift, and that Larsen C may eventually follow the example of its neighbour Larsen B, which disintegrated in 2002 following a similar rift-induced calving event."[…]

There is always a reason.

It came from Planet P

I was being snarky JJ.

I was being tone deaf Martin.

Congratulations, Larson!

Dan

No relation of mine!

The reason is the ending of the current ice age. All glaciers are going away. If the ice age continues to die out utterly, all glaciers will disappear, leaving only small ice caps at the poles.

Meanwhile, all shipping had better be increasingly on the lookout………..

Apologies for the goof in the tile, it should read: Larson C glacier is about to calf 5000km2 iceberg for no reason \s

The reason is the ending of the current ice age.

Well that'll be a relief to all those climate scientists. They can then go back to the other worldwide conspiracy……chemtrails!

Just more "fake news"…..climate happens. Get over it.

Climate does happen, but it does have consequences, and not all of them can be managed with a "get over it" attitude.

-Your food security had been devastated due desertification-> Get over it!

-Flooding has made it impossible to live at your habitat->Get over it!

-Smog is so heavy in your city you have to walk with gas-masks->Get over it!

- Climate change has turned your mild three month winters to severe six month affairs-> Get over it!

The High Priests of science threatening the ignorant masses with death and destruction if they do not make sacrifice to their god while advocating the application of force by "coin taking henchmen" upon the non-compliant.

Congratulations….sounds like a revival of Medieval Religion to me.

And the scary/funny part of your assertion is: superstition is alive and well and flourishing. You'd think that increased knowledge and the approach to solutions through science would produce less superstition. But apparently there is this "dualism" in a vast majority of the human race, especially alive and functioning in virtually ALL children, which drives the religious impulses almost all of us share (only a handful of monists like Dawkins have successfully driven out the "beast" of dualism): and dualism fosters superstitions of all kinds. Solutions will come from God saving the planet in a myriad of ways. Science is manmade and therefore not to be trusted: because esoterica is used as a weapon of control over the masses. Far better to return to propitiating "God", who can be trusted to save his beloveds……………….

We are not threatening anyone. Just pointing out bad things will likely happen, and are likely avoidable with some good choices now. But a "get over it" attitude is not going to address that. You are free to have it.

Let me remind all of you probabilistic libertarians (because that is the vibe I am getting), that it is the very conditions that we point out to that lead people to prefer solutions via coercive power and the state. The more you say "get over it", the more in the end some poor soap getting flooded in the coastal US is going to say , frack those Utah folks safe and sound in their inland, tax them to compensate us for our losses. They will cite your "get over it" attitude as evidence.

I am not saying it is the right thing to do (it is not), anymore than starving masses in the middle ages demanding the lord put the few wealthy (conservative words- smart and prepared) peasants to death if they do not share they surplus with the starving multitude. But it happens, and no "get over it" is going to save the libertarians when it does.

But action now can avert this, or diminish its intensity.

Of course if you expect to be dead by the time anything happens, you will not care. Money in your pocket now, and let the future burn.

I am not going to discuss God, and what God will, or not will do.

I believe I said what I had to say, and more would be un-useful.

hell they probably will tell you "get over it" :p

Just pointing out bad things will likely happen, and are likely avoidable with some good choices now.

The problem seems to be which of the "good choices" will be chosen and at what cost/impact.

Hell, if the IPCC and the profits (intentional misspelling) of doom don't believe what they are shoveling enough to change their lifestyles while lecturing all of the peons, peasants, coolies and serfs about the sacrifices they need to make it will be hard to get folks to buy in.

Add to that that to do a lot of what is needed you have to get to the point of being able to do them – and in many cases that won't happen any time soon. Whether you are talking about clean power in developing nations in Africa that are rife with civil war, corruption, and a number of other problems, or like India who has stated the "here and now" of providing the power that the nation needs for its people outweighs future concerns, or the nations of the EU who need to generate even more power to handle the influx of migrants / refugees by the hundreds of thousands and use "dirty" energy to do it, or China who won't even peak until 2020 at the earliest and possibly 2030 before they see themselves cutting back on coal, or the economies of the world that are right now teetering on the brink or worse who can't afford NOW let alone the costs involved with the investments needed, or any one of many other existing problems, it just isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying "do nothing and cross your fingers and hope for the best." I am saying that the sort of comprehensive worldwide action that is being discussed will not happen. Individual steps by individual nations can and should continue, but to some extent, it is like a leaking boat. The leak in your compartment is letting in a gallon an hour and you work to get it down to a few ounces. Meanwhile, elsewhere, the China ballroom is letting in 100,000 gallons an hour. Your efforts really don't impact the bigger problem. Especially since China and India have both announced that for the near term, they are drilling additional holes in the hull below the waterline.

Sorry, but as Walter Cronkite used to say at the end of his telecast "And that's the way it is, Wednesday, January eleventh, this is CBS, Good Night."

P.S. I could have made my run-on sentence even longer, but decided against it. ;)

I bought stocks in tin foil manufacturers and have made a killing since this thread began. Keep on shovelling!

I bought stocks in tin foil manufacturers and have made a killing since this thread began. Keep on shovelling!

But wait! There's CHEMTRAILS!!!!! LMAO!!!!

A fitting Canticle and Doxology.

JSchutt

"Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig; es ist nicht einmal falsch!"

Wolfgang Pauli

Bowman

"Autsch!!…Ich brauche einen kleinen pflaster"

Martin Luther

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According to Dr. Google, you said:

Ouch !! … I need a small pavement

I don't get it

It's also band-aid or bandage in colloquial German. It's literally "plaster" which was the material of old wound dressings.

But I'll see your Luther and raise you another Pauli:

"I don't mind that you think slowly but I do mind that you are publishing faster than you think."

I think that applies to a lot of us here, myself included.

Pflaster: Self adhesive bandage… as in Plaster….as in Band Aide… as in

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as in… your intended insult is not at all compelling.

The progressive "If the evidence I choose to believe in does not convince you… you must be stupid, deplorable or are otherwise psychologically impaired" attack has always been firmly entrenched in the "man-made global warming/destruction of almost all life on earth" argument. It certainly shows up in every such topic on this forum. As I said…not a very compelling argument to the "unconvinced."

Hopefully this tactic it will remain in this domain and not leech into other domains of Scientific discourse.

The progressive "If the evidence I choose to believe in does not convince you… you must be stupid, deplorable or are otherwise psychologically impaired" attack has always been firmly entrenched in the "man-made global warming/destruction of almost all life on earth" argument. It certainly shows up in every such topic on this forum.

Nice speech, but I was replying to the unsubstantiated nonsense from your 11 Jan 2017 4:12 a.m. PST entry. The Pauli quote is quite fitting. And it was not an Ad Hominem attack at all, compelling or otherwise. Your comment was so off base it wasn't even wrong. "High Priests of Science"? Seriously? The tiresome old "Science is a religion" canard has been put away for good I thought.

That high priest Dawkins (if you can stomach this) makes a good argument for the above point.

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And to be fair, you were the one who took this thread down that unwanted alley.

"If the evidence I choose to believe in does not convince you… "

On a small philosophical point your statement here doesn't really make sense. Evidence does not accrue to make belief possible. My generic non-professional understanding of physics and thermodynamics provides ample evidence that it is possible for jets to fly. Plus my observations corroborate that. It is not a matter of belief. I don't have to believe that the jet will fly, in order for it to do so.

In the same vein I don't believe in evolution, or heliocentrism, or in plate tectonics. But the evidence for them is more compelling than any of the alternatives. See what I mean?