Mardaddy | 12 Nov 2016 7:46 a.m. PST |
Can we please send out prayers / good vibes / your choice to end the violence of the last three days? And let's also hope that the leaders of all persuasions (who have not already called for unity) finally speak up and request / call for peace? Their silence is notable. |
StoneMtnMinis  | 12 Nov 2016 8:10 a.m. PST |
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Skeets  | 12 Nov 2016 11:29 a.m. PST |
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genew49 | 12 Nov 2016 1:14 p.m. PST |
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Col Durnford  | 12 Nov 2016 1:19 p.m. PST |
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doug redshirt | 12 Nov 2016 2:43 p.m. PST |
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Mardaddy | 12 Nov 2016 2:51 p.m. PST |
Doug, If you are perplexed, I'd be happy to answer any specific questions. |
zoneofcontrol | 12 Nov 2016 4:03 p.m. PST |
Beyond your requests for the leaders to lead, I also seek the same guidance and enlightenment for the perpetrators. |
Zargon | 12 Nov 2016 4:32 p.m. PST |
Roman having a hard time? Stop letting in Barbarians and call out the Practorian Guard, Nero has fiddled and now there are plans afoot to let Rome burn, by who's hand? We can surmise, but he has not shown his hand in full,yet. |
abelp01 | 12 Nov 2016 7:02 p.m. PST |
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ZULUPAUL  | 13 Nov 2016 2:38 a.m. PST |
I pray for an end to the rioting & would hope that the POTUS would speak out against this. |
15th Hussar | 13 Nov 2016 2:45 a.m. PST |
I see that this "conversation" has devolved quite nicely… |
Martin From Canada | 13 Nov 2016 1:05 p.m. PST |
What can I say, the reconstruction after the late unpleasantness lasted 8 years, and now the Redeemers are back, and are no longer limited to the Southern states. |
doug redshirt | 13 Nov 2016 1:13 p.m. PST |
Communists, Anarchists and anti-american snotnose crybaby? |
Martin From Canada | 13 Nov 2016 3:17 p.m. PST |
Having said that, I will say a prayer for the police who have to deal with these Communists, Anarchists and anti-American snotnose crybaby special snowflakes. I will also pray that the violence spreads to university campuses and that they burn! I raise you this from Carl's Demon Haunted World (1995)
But there's another reason: science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. As I write, the number one video cassette rental in America is the movie Dumb and Dumber. Beavis and Butthead remains popular (and influential) with young TV viewers. The plain lesson is that study and learning – not just of science, but of anything – are avoidable, even undesirable. We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements – transportation, communications, and all other industries; agriculture, medicine, education, entertainment, protecting the environment; and even the key democratic institution of voting – profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces Quite prophetic. And if you want to hear it in what I assume is Carl Sagan's voice, YouTube link |
Mardaddy | 13 Nov 2016 4:49 p.m. PST |
Swampking and Martin… Could we stay on subject – putting something out there that is constructive and helpful to counter the violence, and encouraging leaders of all political stripes to break their silence on the matter so we know they do not want the country tearing itself apart? |
Bill Rosser  | 14 Nov 2016 5:27 p.m. PST |
Funny how the riots only seem to occur in gun free cities. Perfectly fine around here. |
Mardaddy | 15 Nov 2016 7:48 a.m. PST |
Well, at least one more leader (besides the President-Elect) held a Press Conference and asked for unity – but the call was directed at the wrong target, there was no mention of those perpetrating the violence… I am sure just an honest oversight. link |
mandt2 | 15 Nov 2016 9:53 p.m. PST |
The violence is not acceptable. But we are way off the map here now, and a lot of people are justifiably afraid by the undeniably draconian campaign "promises" that have been made over the past six months or so. They believe their livelihoods and the welfare of their families are being threatened. So why wouldn't they feel compelled to take to the streets? It's their right. We are now reaping precisely what was sowed during the campaign. Mardaddy, if you really wanted this thread to be "w/o politics" you would have ended your first post after the first sentence. But everything you posted after that reveals your true intent. It isn't at all subtle. |
Mardaddy | 16 Nov 2016 8:40 a.m. PST |
Was not meant to be subtle. Asking to stop the violence and pointing out the leaders that have and have not called for that end to violence is what got the original post nuked, because it offended some TMPers that some leaders were named. That made it political enough in Bill's mind. SO… Generic – I want all leaders to call for peace. The violence seems to have petered out by now; here is hoping those who perpetrated it are identified and held to account. Nothing subtle about that either. |
mandt2 | 16 Nov 2016 9:22 p.m. PST |
Was not meant to be subtle. No kidding? So you intended your posts to be political in spite of your thread title "Let's try this w/o politics…"? The violence seems to have petered out by now; here is hoping those who perpetrated it are identified and held to account. There were dozens of arrests. You didn't know that? |
Mardaddy | 18 Nov 2016 2:25 p.m. PST |
Man, you just refuse to nuance and need spoon feeding, don't you… Naming names was too direct and made some clutch pearls and look for the fainting couch, so, "indirect but not subtle." Held to account means *punished* Arresting is not punishing. Persons arrested are released without any charges filed quite often – one would not be stretching it far to say it happens every day. You didn't know that? |
Tyler326 | 26 Jan 2017 5:08 a.m. PST |
Never understood how demonstrators smashing windows of businesses make any sense. Just plain stupidity and makes people angry with their cause( if they actually have one).Peace full is they way to protest. |
Tumbleweed  | 31 Jan 2017 8:27 p.m. PST |
Scripted violence and guerrilla theater, nothing more. |