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Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2016 7:46 a.m. PST

Can we please send out prayers / good vibes / your choice to end the violence of the last three days?

And let's also hope that the leaders of all persuasions (who have not already called for unity) finally speak up and request / call for peace? Their silence is notable.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2016 8:10 a.m. PST

Done.

Skeets Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2016 11:29 a.m. PST

Agreed.

genew49 Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2016 1:14 p.m. PST

Another yes.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2016 1:19 p.m. PST

I have so far.

doug redshirt12 Nov 2016 2:43 p.m. PST

?

Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2016 2:51 p.m. PST

Doug,

If you are perplexed, I'd be happy to answer any specific questions.

zoneofcontrol Inactive Member12 Nov 2016 4:03 p.m. PST

Beyond your requests for the leaders to lead, I also seek the same guidance and enlightenment for the perpetrators.

Zargon Inactive Member12 Nov 2016 4:32 p.m. PST

Roman having a hard time? Stop letting in Barbarians and call out the Practorian Guard, Nero has fiddled and now there are plans afoot to let Rome burn, by who's hand? We can surmise, but he has not shown his hand in full,yet.

abelp0112 Nov 2016 7:02 p.m. PST

Hear! Hear!

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP13 Nov 2016 2:38 a.m. PST

I pray for an end to the rioting & would hope that the POTUS would speak out against this.

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP13 Nov 2016 2:45 a.m. PST

I see that this "conversation" has devolved quite nicely…

Martin from Canada13 Nov 2016 1:05 p.m. PST

What can I say, the reconstruction after the late unpleasantness lasted 8 years, and now the Redeemers are back, and are no longer limited to the Southern states.

doug redshirt13 Nov 2016 1:13 p.m. PST

Communists, Anarchists and anti-american snotnose crybaby?

Martin from Canada13 Nov 2016 3:17 p.m. PST

Having said that, I will say a prayer for the police who have to deal with these Communists, Anarchists and anti-American snotnose crybaby special snowflakes. I will also pray that the violence spreads to university campuses and that they burn!

I raise you this from Carl's Demon Haunted World (1995)

But there's another reason: science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator
programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. As I write, the number one video cassette rental in America is the
movie Dumb and Dumber. Beavis and Butthead remains popular (and influential) with young TV viewers. The plain lesson is that study and learning – not just of science, but of anything – are avoidable, even undesirable.
We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements – transportation, communications, and all other industries; agriculture, medicine, education, entertainment, protecting the environment; and even the key democratic institution of voting – profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces

Quite prophetic.

And if you want to hear it in what I assume is Carl Sagan's voice,
YouTube link

Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP13 Nov 2016 4:49 p.m. PST

Swampking and Martin… Could we stay on subject putting something out there that is constructive and helpful to counter the violence, and encouraging leaders of all political stripes to break their silence on the matter so we know they do not want the country tearing itself apart?

Bill Rosser Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2016 5:27 p.m. PST

Funny how the riots only seem to occur in gun free cities. Perfectly fine around here.

Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP15 Nov 2016 7:48 a.m. PST

Well, at least one more leader (besides the President-Elect) held a Press Conference and asked for unity but the call was directed at the wrong target, there was no mention of those perpetrating the violence…

I am sure just an honest oversight.

link

mandt2 Supporting Member of TMP15 Nov 2016 9:53 p.m. PST

The violence is not acceptable. But we are way off the map here now, and a lot of people are justifiably afraid by the undeniably draconian campaign "promises" that have been made over the past six months or so. They believe their livelihoods and the welfare of their families are being threatened. So why wouldn't they feel compelled to take to the streets? It's their right.

We are now reaping precisely what was sowed during the campaign.

Mardaddy, if you really wanted this thread to be "w/o politics" you would have ended your first post after the first sentence. But everything you posted after that reveals your true intent. It isn't at all subtle.

Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 8:40 a.m. PST

Was not meant to be subtle.

Asking to stop the violence and pointing out the leaders that have and have not called for that end to violence is what got the original post nuked, because it offended some TMPers that some leaders were named. That made it political enough in Bill's mind.

SO… Generic I want all leaders to call for peace.

The violence seems to have petered out by now; here is hoping those who perpetrated it are identified and held to account.

Nothing subtle about that either.

mandt2 Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2016 9:22 p.m. PST

Was not meant to be subtle.

No kidding? So you intended your posts to be political in spite of your thread title "Let's try this w/o politics…"?

The violence seems to have petered out by now; here is hoping those who perpetrated it are identified and held to account.

There were dozens of arrests. You didn't know that?

Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2016 2:25 p.m. PST

Man, you just refuse to nuance and need spoon feeding, don't you…

Naming names was too direct and made some clutch pearls and look for the fainting couch, so, "indirect but not subtle."

Held to account means *punished*

Arresting is not punishing. Persons arrested are released without any charges filed quite often – one would not be stretching it far to say it happens every day.

You didn't know that?

Tyler32626 Jan 2017 5:08 a.m. PST

Never understood how demonstrators smashing windows of businesses make any sense. Just plain stupidity and makes people angry with their cause( if they actually have one).Peace full is they way to protest.

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2017 8:27 p.m. PST

Scripted violence and guerrilla theater, nothing more.

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