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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2016 10:19 a.m. PST

Yes another Arrow rant.

In this brilliant episode a guy is annoyed st the cops.

So to kill cops he steals industrial diamonds to make "diamond tipped armor piercing bullets"

1. Not sure you can do it
2. Armor piercing bullets are not hard to get in the US.
3. They used assault rifles chamberd in 5.56mm… (that allready easly go through soft kevlar armor )

One thing is making a silly series. But i assume the show is made for american audience. If it's one thing americans know it's guns…

Its like making a movie for wargamers where they call Panzer III for King tigers.

Inkpaduta21 Feb 2016 10:34 a.m. PST

Yes, I stopped watching Arrow last year. Several reasons why but silly plot lines was one reason.

zippyfusenet21 Feb 2016 10:43 a.m. PST

If it's one thing americans know it's guns…

Sorry. Wargamers generally have an interest in guns. The United States is full of people who know nothing about anything, and at great length. They're easily entertained.

Winston Smith21 Feb 2016 11:58 a.m. PST

A guy at work is in his 30s.
He is extremely proud of the fact that he has never even touched a gun.
And he will lecture me on history and realism in movies.

RavenscraftCybernetics21 Feb 2016 1:50 p.m. PST

it would br simpler and probably more effective to ciat the bullets in teflon(tm)

altfritz21 Feb 2016 2:47 p.m. PST

Does that mean one has to own a tank to know something about it? Mind you, if he is prone to lectures, I guess he is a dick.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2016 2:55 p.m. PST

Teflon was designed to minimize lead build up in the barrel to make the gun easier to clean, it will not increase penetration.

Any M16 / AR15 style military ball ammo will penetrate a police officers soft body armor. So will slugs from a 12 gauge shotgun.

Armor piercing bullets are typically made of steel or other hard metals, and are rare in the USA and illegal in many states. Diamond tips are foolish, diamonds are brittle and would break up on impact. Diamonds are hard in that they don't scratch easily.

I have been a military, security, and police firearms instructor for 45 years.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

kyoteblue21 Feb 2016 3:10 p.m. PST

Arrow is just Batman with a bow…and not all that good.

Great War Ace21 Feb 2016 4:08 p.m. PST

I'm sorry, for a moment there, I thought that Gun was complaining about "Archer". I have never seen any "Arrow". But have seen a few minutes of "Archer". Really, the one set of plots are probably just as plausible as the other. ;)

American knowhow with guns: almost nonexistent unless you are a shooter. You'd think that anti-gun writers would know their stuff. They almost never do. They make the most blatant first mistakes when "lecturing" the rest of us about guns. And then it just goes on and gets worse.

Movies: I'm remembering two egregiously silly movies, though blanking on the names (thankfully). In one, "cop killer" bullets (some "magic" armor piercing point) were being used in handguns, of all things, to even pierce the thick steel of a front end loader bucket, and kill the driver behind. Oh, really?

The other was an earlier western, where the hero's "magic" gun was clearly a simple cap and ball six shooter, but somehow it was able to shoot TWELVE times without reloading. Yes, this was a deliberate plot device; but not backed up visually. Most of the target audience would not be able to tell how silly that was….

zoneofcontrol21 Feb 2016 4:54 p.m. PST

Great War Ace-
Cap and Ball Six-Shooter:
#1 Cap & Ball are two different words.
#C Six Shooter = 6 shots.
#4.) 2 different words x 6 shots = 12 Total Shots.

Anything else you want to ask me about?

Sergeant Paper22 Feb 2016 6:36 a.m. PST

Or it could have been a Walch 12-shot revolver:

which is a cap and ball six(x2)gun.

Dn Jackson22 Feb 2016 6:36 a.m. PST

"So will slugs from a 12 gauge shotgun"

Don't know about this. We tested one on an out of date vest that we wear, Level 2, and it didn't go through. Would hurt like hell though.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2016 11:50 a.m. PST

The first movie is lethal weapon 3.

I think it was a .380 mac 11 that magically fired through 3-4 inches of heavy industrial steel.

Now the .380 on a good day can bearly fire through tin foil.

zippyfusenet23 Feb 2016 5:35 a.m. PST

Ah, the deadly MAC-11, a favorite among the private armies of the Columbian drug lords:

Now if I was a Hollywood script writer, I'd trump up a terrifying public menace from the evilest assault pistol ever, the horrible (in so many ways) TEC-22:


Did someone say Americans are good at engineering firearms? Or are we just so prolific that occasionally we get one right?

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2016 7:17 a.m. PST

Only two americans can make guns. One was named Colt the other named Browning.

Both are dead. So americans are bonned! If they want quality firearms look to Germany, Switzerland, Austria and to a lesser extent Czech republic.

zippyfusenet24 Feb 2016 9:25 a.m. PST

I think Alex Sturm and Bill Ruger hit a couple of home runs in their day, and their company continues to design reliable, practical firearms. And I like my Smif & Weston – it's loaded all around.

But TMP is for toy soldiers, and I've noticed that discussing firearms in too much detail makes some of the regulars unhappy. So meet me over at The Firing Line if you want to continue. My handle there is the same as here, zippyfusenet:

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