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Personal logo Panzerfaust Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2016 9:39 a.m. PST

I found this discussion of the politics of Star Wars to be deliciously geeky. The pundit speaking with a slight lisp greatly adds to the nerdiness.

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To be fair, the same podcasts discussion of Star Trek was very good. I think by 'second best' sci-fi media franchise they mean in terms of money made.

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Back to Star Wars, I don't mean in any way to open the can of worms that a real political discussion of the newest movie would elicit. Just wanted to share some nerdiness.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2016 9:56 a.m. PST

George Lucas is still a hippy. That says all there needs to be said about politics.

Example. In the first movie, Luke comments "Well of course I hate the Empire."
But then he's disappointed that he can't go to the Academy.

Parzival04 Jan 2016 11:13 a.m. PST

To be fair, it's not ever made clear in the film what or where "The Academy" is, or what it teaches, or what its graduates become, or with what (if any) government or organizational entity "The Academy" is connected. "Imperial Naval Academy" is just a presumption that everyone tacked on later, but that identity is never stated or implied by any of the films. In fact, the casual ease with which Uncle Owen seems to accept the eventuality of Luke's attendance there implies that it is not military in nature, given Owen's obvious dislike for military careers and his desire to shield his nephew from the world and life that Daddy Skywalker pursued.
I realize the EU may have established the Academy as an Imperial institution, but now with Ep. VII the EU is out the window (a good thing, IMHO, as much of it was tripe).
So "The Academy" may have been a more generalized university setting covering a variety of areas of knowledge and skills, or a general academy for the lucrative field of starship piloting and interstellar navigation and engineering, which the Empire and the Rebellion both treat as a source of recruits (or in the case of the Empire, conscripts), though the primary direction of the graduates tend towards private commercial shipping and transportation services and related industries like starship manufacturing, droid manufacturing, space mining, and the like. The movies do imply that private, independent starship and space resource operations are common, though gradually being swallowed up by governmental fiat (the fate of Bespin in ESB).

zoneofcontrol Inactive Member04 Jan 2016 12:11 p.m. PST

"To be fair, it's not ever made clear in the film what or where "The Academy" is, or what it teaches, or what its graduates become…"

"The Academy" obviously refers to Star Fleet Academy. Those that are rejected or wash out are destined to serve in the Star Wars franchise. Those that successfully matriculate move up to the Star Trek franchise. It is sort of like Quittich. You either play for the Quittich World Cup or play on a AA farm team.

Personal logo Ditto Tango 2 3 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2016 1:01 p.m. PST

Ha ha zoc! laugh
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Tim

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2016 2:50 p.m. PST

I think ZOC has the concept, but not sure he has the order correct. My .02 is that the leads and in many cases, the mooks of SW would wipe the decks with ST characters. I mean, really. One would surmise that Vader was a graduate, and Luke would have been, if he ever went. Either one of them against who? Kirk? Picard? Sulu? Never mind the away team mooks in the wrong color jerseys whose only purpose is to become casualties. Phasors are of little use to someone who can bat the shots away.

Martin Rapier05 Jan 2016 6:38 a.m. PST

The Empire also has proper landing parties with assault ships, massive armies, huge walking tanks etc. In ST they just beam down the bridge crew.

And as noted, phasers aren't much use against Force Deflection. Perhaps Kirk could try kissing Vader instead.

The Empire which had so much trouble with Ewoks would be utterly annihilated by Tribbles though. All those places to breed!

Parzival05 Jan 2016 8:08 a.m. PST

At the Academy, then, you learn not to build your primary military device around a single focal point that can destroy the entire thing with one shot.
Force block that.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2016 11:45 a.m. PST

Well, you should learn that.
Unfortunately the ship design architects don't go to the Academy.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2016 12:33 p.m. PST

In the KOTOR universe (that's now none canon thanks to Disney )

There is a sith academic, it's just like the police academy, but less Bleeped text jokes and more kill your way to the top.

But that was back when you had more then two sith at a time.

zoneofcontrol Inactive Member06 Jan 2016 8:06 a.m. PST

"But that was back when you had more then two sith at a time."

"…two sith…" Would that make them sithies?

Just what is the plural of "sith"? Seeth? Gaggle of sith?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Last Hussar09 Jan 2016 8:47 a.m. PST

'Washouts of the Star Fleet Acadmey'? Given that the officers of Star Fleet are mostly incompetent…! Star Fleet only ever had one good Captain, and he was French.

Captain Gideon04 May 2016 5:40 p.m. PST

Last Hussar what's your opinion on James T. Kirk?

tkdguy04 May 2016 11:57 p.m. PST

I dont know about the politics of Star Wars, but when you stop and think about it, some of the names in the movies are really bad. "Bib Fortuna" conjures images of a glorified doily, and "Kit Fisto" sounds like a really kinky S&M technique.

Last Hussar30 May 2016 5:01 p.m. PST

Gideon – He wasn't French…

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