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Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Aug 2015 9:45 a.m. PST

Disclaimer: You know the routine…


Our company has opened two new production plants this year; one in Kenosha, and one in Atlanta. (Cue "Dixie")….
Both plants are literally laid out EXACTLY on the same floor plans, (offices, server room, etc..)
The server room AC is NOT doing the job. The room keeps overheating and they now have to keep the door propped open and an industrial fan blowing the air.

So I get an email this morning asking for pics of my server room. I take photos of all of my server rooms and the equipment in them, because I know that they will be needed for issues, (and they have been).

Plant IT manager says "Your server room is supposed to be laid out like ours and ours like yours, but yours isn't overheating….Why?"

So I said "Well did you check the location of the AC unit?

He says "yeah, its in the back corner or the near wall.

I say "Ahem…that's not where it's supposed to be. Our floor plans show that it's supposed to be near the front and near the door. In the rear, the air doesn't circulate."

I know this for a fact because I look at the diagrams, and noticed that good old Local Union 101 ("It ain't our job!") did indeed disregard the instruction and decided to put the AC "wherever they damn well pleased"….
Until I discovered it, and had them put it in the "correct place". Which they didn't like.
You only have to work with these boobs for a few days and then you see why Scott Walker doesn't care too much for them.

So now ATL is having to relocate their AC unit too, because Local Union whatever their number is, doesn't care to read or pay attention to instructions and blueprints either….


Submitted respectfully;


Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP17 Aug 2015 2:14 p.m. PST

I cannot comment w/o getting Dawghaused – but good show,

jdpintex17 Aug 2015 4:09 p.m. PST

I guess you can't use non Union contractors in ATL? Then you would at least have a chance of getting the job done right.

Tom Bryant17 Aug 2015 6:55 p.m. PST

I'm going out on a limb here but are you sure its a "union" thing?I only ask this not because I'm a particular fan of the Mafia, er I mean unions but occasionally they do slip in some very clever and annoyingly stupid people into the engineering hierarchy who can't read blueprints. I know, I've worked with tehm before.

mandt2 Inactive Member17 Aug 2015 9:30 p.m. PST

So the union working stiffs actually directed the AC unit be installed in the wrong place, and their non-union bosses never noticed? Or they noticed but hid the fact from you, hoping you wouldn't notice?

Either way, sounds to me like the buck should have stopped with the bosses/owners.

GarrisonMiniatures Inactive Member18 Aug 2015 3:09 a.m. PST

Unions always take the blame for shoddy management – seems to be the case here. The one at fault is whoever oversaw the installation.

Militia Pete Supporting Member of TMP18 Aug 2015 4:36 a.m. PST

I have nothing nice to say about unions so I will not say anything…

Personal logo enfant perdus Supporting Member of TMP18 Aug 2015 7:48 a.m. PST

Whoever in your company signed off on the completed work at the Kenosha and Atlanta plants should be terminated.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP18 Aug 2015 11:14 a.m. PST

Why would the Union care where the AC went?
Why would they deliberately put it in the wrong place?
Does not compute.

Whatisitgood4atwork Inactive Member18 Aug 2015 9:12 p.m. PST

Really quite confused. You didn't have architects, air conditioning engineers, or project managers working on this job?

Companies really hand plans to a union and expect them to just take it from there? There are no contractors between drawing up plans and the union that workers belong to?

Oversight and management are things that happen to other people? This is all very strange.

Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Aug 2015 6:33 a.m. PST

To clear up some stuff…

1: The project managers, (See my post about "Project managers", that should give you an idea).

2: The company that we contracted out to, didn't have the support necessary to build two plants in two different states, so they ended up subcontracting. The Kenosha plant at one time actually had three different subcontractors, each running off of three different sets of plans.

3: I don't blame the union for putting it deliberately in the wrong place, but after dealing with them for six weeks at the Kenosha plant, I don't think we'll be using their services anymore. When you ask one of them, "Can we get a drop plate installed in an office?" and he looks at you and says "Good luck", and turns and walks away…well….that's what we were dealing with.

4: As I am not in overseeing the project management, but I seem to be in charge of fixing the IT related stuff they didn't do correctly…I can only go by what I encountered. And it wasn't pretty….

Personal logo UltraOrk Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2015 7:41 p.m. PST

So I said "Well did you check the location of the AC unit?

He says "yeah, its in the back corner or the near wall.

I was waiting for…


Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP22 Aug 2015 10:00 a.m. PST

OFM to answer your second question:

'Because that was the easiest thing to do'

Actual answer I got from a contractor (non-union) who
installed a control panel right next to the EXTERIOR
door to the control room rather than INSIDE as the plan

Tyler32623 Jul 2016 11:49 a.m. PST

Unions… if you can't say anything good about them, then say nothing… Guess I'll say nothing

Mad Mecha Guy Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Aug 2016 1:28 p.m. PST

Its a bit like where a NHS hospital put in a nice new £60.00 GBPk+ server & forgot that the room needed air-con to keep it cool..

Last Hussar11 Aug 2016 3:22 p.m. PST

I love unions. Mine has kept my terms and conditions and won numerous court cases where the employer has broken the law.

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