| BW1959 | 14 Jan 2015 6:40 p.m. PST |
link Stopped by the local Barnes & Nobel book store to browse earlier today and saw the above new book from Tom Clancy. I thought his death two years ago would slow his writing down but apparently not. And yes I see the ghost writer Mark Greaney also on the cover, in smaller print. |
| John the OFM | 14 Jan 2015 7:16 p.m. PST |
Towards the end, Clancy couldn't write. As Truman Capote sniffed, that was just typing.
A "ghost" writer is supposed to solve that?
I stopped reading that swill… far too late, I'm afraid. Anyone want to buy some hardcover Teeth of the Wolf or Red Rabbit? |
| Mike G | 14 Jan 2015 10:03 p.m. PST |
What is the title, Beyond the Grave? |
 Doms Decals  | 15 Jan 2015 3:45 a.m. PST |
With the OFM here – he definitely jumped the shark at Debt Of Honour…. Beyond that, Rainbow Six was a better read than anything with that preposterous a plot ought to be, and everything else just terrible…. His early work, however, was a staple of my teenage years, and still gets the occasional re-read. :-) |
| Streitax | 15 Jan 2015 6:31 a.m. PST |
Red October and Red Storm Rising (barring the love interest) are my favorites. The more technical from him, the better. Any time he tried to add actual human interaction, especially between the sexes, my reaction ranged from "yawn, more filler" to "my God, did he actually put that on paper?" But he laughed all the way to the grave. |
 Saber6   | 15 Jan 2015 8:33 a.m. PST |
But he laughed all the way to the grave by way of the bank |
| Doms Decals | 15 Jan 2015 9:00 a.m. PST |
Largely I'd agree Streitax, but Without Remorse broke that rule – that one was a cracking read…. |
| John the OFM | 15 Jan 2015 9:52 a.m. PST |
I really can't say when he jumped the shark, but it was definitely when he hit the point where his editors dare not edit him. The Stephen King Point. Where a book is not sold by the page count but by weight.
Red October is great.
Without remorse is terrific.
Early Clancy is pretty darn good. |
| Streitax | 15 Jan 2015 10:43 a.m. PST |
I will have to find and read Without Remorse. Thanks for the recommendation. As for King, he could never finish a book to save his life. They just sort of petered out in a dismal miasma of words. |
| boy wundyr x | 15 Jan 2015 12:38 p.m. PST |
The 10 pages of lingerie shopping in The Bear & The Dragon was a pretty good shark to jump IMHO. I read Rainbow Six first, and agree with Dom – the anti-terrorist action stuff was good, plot was crazy. |
| Terry L | 15 Jan 2015 1:36 p.m. PST |
Clancey's last few books were good. They centered around 'the campus'. I really enjoyed them. |
| Toronto48 | 15 Jan 2015 5:00 p.m. PST |
I have been reading the book on line whicj h is a lot cheaper then buying a hard cover. The story is to say the least "so so" The plot has its moments which are mainly ruined by turgid writing Mr Greely must have a contract so that he is paid by the word So far I am half way trough and am fighting the urge to quit but push on I will probably resist the temptation to buy anymore |
| Ed Mohrmann | 16 Jan 2015 12:41 p.m. PST |
Clancy towards the end of his career indeed proceeded
by fits and starts. His signature book, _The Hunt for Red October_, is OK,
but I much preferred _Red Storm Rising_ (not a Jack
Ryan book) and _Without Remorse_, an excellent
read. The others range from 'OK' to 'dreck'. |
| Smokey Roan | 14 Feb 2015 6:29 p.m. PST |
Clancy was worse than Stephen King or WEB Griffith when it came to ghostwriters shelling out 4 books a month.
Stopped reading him after Clear and Present Danger.
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| Smokey Roan | 18 Feb 2015 4:21 p.m. PST |
Yep Dom, Debt of Honor WAS the book that ended Clancy for me, not Clear and Present Danger. Red Storm Rising was the best, and mostly written by Larry Bond, who wrote several nice books until he too jumped the shark. |
