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John the OFM24 Aug 2013 6:06 p.m. PST

That would be the proper use of "begging the question". NOBODY gets it right!
It does not mean what you think it means.

The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".

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Does anybody get right? To be honest, I have to keep looking it up to understand it. But I know when it's wrong when I see it.

I would rather devote my TMP Grammer, and, Speling Facscist Emeritus street cred on "less and fewer" and Apostrophe Abuse™.

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER24 Aug 2013 6:15 p.m. PST

There is that.

Tommy2024 Aug 2013 6:16 p.m. PST

Meh. The only one that really bothers me is the misuse of calvary.

altfritz24 Aug 2013 6:43 p.m. PST

I once picked up some "Calvary Movement Trays" (as the they were laser printed underneath). They were on for a fantastic discount! :-)

Arteis24 Aug 2013 6:50 p.m. PST

If it's not wrth fighting over, then it's not wrth anything.

TNE230024 Aug 2013 7:39 p.m. PST

I avoid using it just so I cannot use it wrong
saves me at least some aggravation

my button is the use of thEn in place of thAn
arrrrg!

calvary is a very close second

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER24 Aug 2013 8:07 p.m. PST

I try never to misuse cavalry. but things have gone wrong…

Patrick R25 Aug 2013 2:07 a.m. PST
Qurchi Bashi25 Aug 2013 2:08 a.m. PST

It bugs me, but then, I taught philosophy and logic classes and logical fallicies (the 'proper' use of 'begging the question' is one) was a topic we covered. When I hear it I usually inwardly shudder, but rarely say anything because it appears to be a losing battle. Shame that, because it is actually an important concept to distinguish.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Aug 2013 3:44 a.m. PST

Misuse doesn't bother me. I use that one correctly. Most of the time. I hope. One thing teaching rhetoric taught me is that there is a difference between structured and casual speech. Certainly, one (see … I said "one" instead of "you") should train himself (artifact of English grammar, not misogyny) on the rules in order to make fewer (yeah) mistakes which leads to less (yeah, yeah) ambiguity.

That said, fewer/less always piques me for some reason. In the fast check-out grocery line, I always feel like I should eat half a peach or drink one of the beers from the case in order to qualify…

On the other hand … I have been known to commit occasional ellipsis abuse. By occasional, I mean frequent.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2013 5:27 a.m. PST

The creep, mostly due to media misuse, of 'infer' when
'imply' is correct.

The media, supposed to be among the most educated of the
GP, is certainly guilty of many crimes against language.

vtsaogames25 Aug 2013 5:52 a.m. PST

My bete noir: many gamers who say the Peninsular War happened in the Peninsular. No, it happened in the Iberian Peninsula.

Peninsular is an adjective, not a noun, proper or otherwise. And I will draw my sword over that one.

Phil Hall25 Aug 2013 8:56 a.m. PST

Your begging the question, John ;0

Ditto Tango 2 325 Aug 2013 10:46 a.m. PST

Hey Patrick R, I just spent half an hour wasting time on the oatmeal, what a great site!
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John the OFM26 Aug 2013 11:29 a.m. PST

I am with Calvin Trilling on the who/whom question. "'Whom' is a word designed to make us sound like butlers."

John the OFM26 Aug 2013 11:30 a.m. PST

I am also with Winston Churchill on a preposition being a terrible thing to end a sentence with.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2013 1:56 p.m. PST

Actually, I thought Winnie had said 'That is the sort of
thing up with which I shall not put !'

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