Help support TMP


"Walking dead - Season finale." Topic


27 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

In order to respect possible copyright issues, when quoting from a book or article, please quote no more than three paragraphs.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Broadcast Entertainment Plus Board


Areas of Interest

General

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Ruleset


Featured Showcase Article

Derivan Paints: Striking It Lucky With Colour

Sometimes at a convention, you can be just dead lucky and find a real bargain.


Featured Profile Article

Smart Finish Sander/Filer

Do you do so much file work that your fingers hurt? Maybe this tool can help...


1,269 hits since 21 Mar 2012
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?


TMP logo

Membership

Please sign in to your membership account, or, if you are not yet a member, please sign up for your free membership account.
Tango0121 Mar 2012 11:47 a.m. PST

Like very much and agree with the comments of this guy…

"The episode delivered all that was promised, and hoped for. The end of the farm. The death of useless characters, and some extreme character twists. Rick was pushed to the brink, Lori revealed her twisted bitch nature, and every one else was shown the back door.

First let me discuss the episode as a whole. Outstanding. The chaos of the scene was delicious, and the burning of the barn was spectacular. In The Talking Dead they discuss their good fortune with how it worked out, but I wanted to say that damn it was great. It was such an amazing collapse and scene, with the horde of zombies back lit by the flaming building, that even the zombie extras had to turn in awe. (You could see some of them turn their heads in surprise.) I want to congratulate AMC and the creators of the show for an absolute outstanding series. And thank them.

In all of this mess, we saw one prevailing theme. Perceived order falling to chaos. The farm was safe. The survivors were building a home where they could live. They had sustainable food, and a protected perimeter. But then the swamp dried up. Uhoh…

As things collapsed, by the way the collapse was not when the helicopter started a zombie herd… it started when Shane freaked out and opened the barn, then Rick went to town after Hershel. Bringing home the prisoner started a series of choices that would tear the group apart. The zombies just facilitated things.

So Rick went over the deep end. The one who thrived on order the most was most impacted when it disappeared. The actor playing Rick has been fantastic, but the final scene, where he admits to killing Shane to Lori, then to the group was amazing and does television proud. Where has this dude been hiding? I was utterly convinced about the anguish in Rick's world as he first told Lori about Shane, then looked her in the eye as she recoiled away, confirming her true feelings. Then even more so when he addressed the group. The man had had enough.

As I said last week, Rick stuck shane because it was indeed personal. He flat admitted it this week. Rick knew Shane had to die or go away. Every one did. But what the rest of them did not have knowledge of was Shane's confrontation and Rick saving him. Carol, of all people, was questioning Rick's honor. It was funny how Daryl defended him. Daryl, a man who probably his whole life was seen as having no value to society, and was now deemed as needed, was defending a man who would probably have put him in jail had they met six months earlier.

And who the hell does Carol think she is? She is completely useless to the group and in fact hinders their safety. Without them, she is meat. Who is she to accuse Rick of having no honor? When no one else ran after her daughter, he chased her down, trying to save her. I guess her role next season has now been defined, the instigator. In season two she was the object of a lot of the drama, now she will be the source and creator.

So yah, Rick steps off the deep end. He makes it clear in no uncertain terms, that HE is the boss, and it is being done his way. Frankly, it probably was not what they wanted hear, and it was definitely not the way they wanted to hear it, but I think every one of them knew, it was something they had to have. It is interesting to me how Rick has pretty much become Shane in his leadership tactics. Earn their hearts and minds, but that only goes so far. In the end, the only way to absolutely lead a group, is through an iron fist. Committee just leads to bull Bleeped text. Shane understood that. The post apocalyptic world demands it.

I liked that as the last couple of episodes wore on, Rick started becoming more regimented. Barking orders instead of seeking opinion. That is how I see a survivor group as needing to be run. Doing it Dale's way only leads to discontent. Ever one of them is going to be forced to face problems with their own morals. The fact that Rick, the guy with the strongest, has pushed his own so far, or completely abandoned them, is great television.

What about Lori?

The way she recoiled from Rick made me want to punch her in the face.

She put the both of them in motion. She created the situation that would force Rick to kill Shane. You could see it on Rick's face before the mid season break when he stared straight at the camera. You could see his realization that he had been manipulated by her again here. You could see his heart break. And most importantly, during his rant at the end, you could almost see laserbeams shoot right at her when he told her to hit the road.

With Shane and Dale gone, the show's dynamic is going to change big time. And the conflict between Lori and Rick is going to be at the top. We can probably expect to see her manipulate Carol, and in a round about way, Daryl. It is going to be juicy indeed.

Well there is the door honey! I loved how Rick pretty much looked them each in the eye and said get out. And each of them stayed. As the camera panned, you could read their roles. Hershel supports Rick. His world is gone. The only thing he has now is his family, and the bond created between himself and Rick at the bar. His blonde daughter… heh whatever.

Maggie and Glenn begrudgingly follow. Maggie because her father does, and Glenn, well, what else is he supposed to do. But you could definitely see him having a heart break of his own. He had set up Rick as a sort of hero. Bigger than life and above human. But Rick's rant showed Glenn that they are all human. You could see that he was unsure of what to think.

Tdogg stood there as a man with no better choices. You could tell he had something to say, but kept his mouth shut like a smart man should. He showed his true colors when he tried to run with Lori and lil blonde. Heh, why wouldn't he? He had a vehicle, open road, and a couple of hoochies. He set himself up as a possible back stabber in season three.

Carol played her cards.

Daryl also played his.

picture

I love this pic. Note Tdog's back to rick but gun ready. Lori protecting Carl (from Rick?) who is looking at rick confused. Maggie caring for lil blonde and the space between her and Glenn. Daryl, body facing and open to Rick, ready to follow, and Carol arms folded staring across the group at the man she blames for her current situation.

My question about the ending is why would they be so upset about Rick keeping his secret. Cannot they see any logic? First of all, how would knowing that fact make a difference in their lives? And can't they see that it only made sense for Rick not to tell them until he had seen it for himself? And now because he kept the secret he was dishonorable, despite what he has done for them? I like that he put them in their place, the ungrateful lot. I look forward to more of this Rick.

So what else?

The chick in the robe.

Here is a case where comic simply does not translate into television. I think the two walkers on chains with no arms were ridiculous. It probably worked in the comic, and I'm sure had a great explanation, but in OUR zombie survival world, it is silly. I love the idea of her though. I like the comicy character, the hooded loner with a katana. And yes these sort of people would certainly exist and thrive in a ZA world. We all know a few of the sort. Store clerks. IT dudes. Whatever. Smart guys who go about their daily lives in unassuming ways. But at home, there is a trove of weapons and swords. These are the guys I want to know in the event of a ZA. More than any one else, these are the guys who have rehearsed how to decapitate a zombie with that sword, and can teach me to do the same.

I think she, whatever her name is, Mignone? will send the television show down a whole new avenue. I look forward to scenes between her and Rick, where he is learning how to lead and she is letting him.

picture

I pause to ask, did modern "fast mover" zombies suddenly appear? How did Andrea not lose those zombies in the woods? From sun up to sun down she was running from them. She had a decent amount of ammo. With some bursts of speed, in a thickly wooded area, she could lose some, cap the rest, rinse and repeat. The echos of the gunshots in the trees would fool the undead and she should be able to get away. But instead they were right on her ass the whole time. I did love the scenes though. The sheer mayhem of the zombies in the woods, or on the farm in general. Every one running in every direction, zombies every where… God it was good.

So any way, I know enough about the comic to know that they hold up in a prison, as the end scene would hint at. I am looking forward to Hershel going "Oh there is a prison right over the ridge maybe we can hold up there." when they are having the "what do we do now" discussion in season three. He has to know it exists, what home owner would not know about a maximum security prison mere miles from their farm. You would have thought that in this episode, instead of him looking all bewildered with no direction to go, he could have said, "Hey guys, I have an idea…" Then off they go. I look forward to them actually setting up the zombie survival stronghold Dawn of the Dead style.

What else is there to say? A perfect end to my favorite show since Battlestar Galactica. This week marks the start of a LONG count down to October. I wish I could just go to sleep for six months. I look forward to seeing how Hood chick changes the dynamic of the group. A lot is going to change, as they go from passive, to reactive, to proactive in their survival. The prison is going to add a cool factor to the show. There should be ammo a plenty, and armored cars, riot gear, you name it. They should be able to gear up and kick serious ass. The rift between Lori and Rick will widen and rebellion will be rampant.

I do raise a question, how did those two security guards die a few episodes ago? They were not bitten… there was no sign of death. Since they are all supposedly infected, could it be that the transformation is a ticking time bomb, that wont necessarily wait for death? Could those two guys have been at ground zero? There will be lots of questions and answers to come.

EDIT:
Oh and one last thing, I forgot to mention this gripe. The food on the hood of the car… They spent what must have been two months on the farm. That food had been sitting on the hood of that car the entire time, exposed to the elements. The other day I left a bottle of coke on the hood of my car while I brought in the groceries, and the wind blew it off. How the hell did that collection of stuff manage to last on the hood of that car the entire time they were on the farm? I mean, seriously, since the time that the food was put there, Carl was shot in the gutt and fully recovered. The jar of peanut butter and bottle of gatorade can stand the test of time. At least there was something there so they could have a snack!

Well that's it! No more Walking Dead until October.

picture

From
link

I only said that this was one of the best shows I had seen for many time and enjoy a LOT this finale.

Your comments?

Amicalement
Armand

Delta31421 Mar 2012 12:55 p.m. PST

That was well said! I do think that you covered everything. & Yes it'll be a long six months.

chuck05 Fezian21 Mar 2012 1:08 p.m. PST

I'll wait and see. I found most of this season a snoozefest. It got a little better the last couple of episodes. If the episodes keep on getting better I'll continue to watch. If not, I ve got plenty of figures to paint on Sunday nights.

Chuck

darthfozzywig21 Mar 2012 1:23 p.m. PST

I think that analysis is pretty spot-on, including this:

Here is a case where comic simply does not translate into television. I think the two walkers on chains with no arms were ridiculous. It probably worked in the comic, and I'm sure had a great explanation, but in OUR zombie survival world, it is silly.

I felt "jump the shark" at that moment, but I really hope not. The iffy writing and pacing makes me nervous as to how it will be handled.

mghFond21 Mar 2012 1:26 p.m. PST

Chuck, I watch the shows AND paint figures, multitask! :)

PzGeneral21 Mar 2012 1:43 p.m. PST

Couple of things…first I haven't read the comic series and I don't watch "Talking Dead". Actually I watch the first 10 minutes of this last one and wished I hadn't, they gave away 3 things right out of the gate. I really don't want to know anything about upcoming events, I mean I ACTIVLY avoid any give-aways.

Now my 2 cents:

Hershel's knowledge of the prison: remember, the group drove at least an hour after the farm attack. When Rick's truck broke down he said, "Been running in the red for the last hour." So Hershel might not have thought about a prison being in the area an hour from his house, but Rick, a Law Enforcement Officer, should have known they were close.

Lori: Do we know FOR SURE she and Shane weren't "doing the dance" before the ZA? Remember, she and Rick were having troubles at home before he got shot and yes, Shane was Rick's Partner and best friend, but Lori and Carl was Shane's first stop when the ZA started? Hmmm… I get the impression from Lori's actions in the show that just maybe she was pitting Rick against Shane and was planning on "partnering up" with the winner…while secretly wishing for Shane to come out on top.

Carol: I think her reaction to Rick is based on the fact that she was an abused wife and perceives a man in a dominate role to have no honor. Even though Rick has only done right by her (actually the whole group), since he has shown his dominance over her, he must have no honor.

The Hooded figure with the Zombies in tow: If you can suspend disbelief that the ZA actually happened, then everything else in the show has been plausible. But the appearance of the Hooded figure was WAY to comic book to be believable. I hope the show hasn't jumped the shark.

The Prison: Bad idea to go there, really bad idea. I have a gut feeling it isn't abandoned and a worse feeling I know whose in charge there…….

my 2 cents, I hope I haven't ruined anything for anyone,

Dave

Ron W DuBray21 Mar 2012 4:28 p.m. PST

have any of you guys read any of the books???

skinkmasterreturns21 Mar 2012 4:34 p.m. PST

Wielding a weapon that requires speed and agility.Who would have thought that chaining several hundred pounds to your back would be a great idea?

John Leahy Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Mar 2012 4:41 p.m. PST

Why aren't they trying to eat her?

The show regained my interest with the last 3 or so episodes. They really cranked up the intensity which had been lacking. Here's hoping they can keep it up with the next batch of episodes.

I am no Lori fan. I agree that an earlier flashback seems to have suggested she either was or was thinking about having an affair with Shane. Her character is crap. Sleeping with her husbands best friend right after events occur. No other single woman on the show appeared to be doing that. She also played mind games with both Rick and Shane. Should have whacked or left her as well especially after that last episodes reaction to Rick confessing.Andrea is better looking and has more use to the group.

Thanks,

John

Gattamalata21 Mar 2012 7:37 p.m. PST

Why aren't they trying to eat her?

She cut off their arms and lower jaws. According to the comic, one could train zombies, and being around Michonne for so long, her undead boyfriend and his friend have gotten used to her.

With that cloak, I thought it was a Sith. Maybe Andrea should become her apprentice, Darth Mandreaus.laugh

Ditto Tango 2 322 Mar 2012 5:11 a.m. PST

She cut off their arms and lower jaws. According to the comic, one could train zombies, and being around Michonne for so long, her undead boyfriend and his friend have gotten used to her.

I couldn't tell from the TV if the character was male or female.

In my opinion, that's…. just stupid. And totally at odds with the theme of the shows so far. I haven't read the comic book and don't intend to – I'm watching the shows. One thing that turns me off serious comic books is there's always some super hero type character(s) brooding morosely over various things that the author always overdoes. I just don't know how something so ridiculously comic book will translate to the screen. I am therefore looking forward to the Fall, but with some trepidation. frown
--
Tim

Gattamalata22 Mar 2012 5:55 a.m. PST

In my opinion, that's…. just stupid. And totally at odds with the theme of the shows so far.

Really?!?

There's nothing realistic about the show's theme(s): neither with the zombie outbreak nor with the interactions between the characters and their behavior to their surroundings, with the exception of Herschel's group. Mad Max II is realistic in comparison, though I'd like to know where everyone gets leather duds in post-apocalyptic settings.laugh Michonne isn't a superhero, just a chick who self-trained with a sword she got from her neighbor's collection.

jdpintex22 Mar 2012 7:06 a.m. PST

Michonne looks like someone who has completely lost it after the ZA. Weird…yep. Unrealistic….nope. I figure there may be a few to go totally bonkers after something like a ZA. I've seen people go bonkers after a hurricane, so I can easily imagine even worse after a ZA.

Ditto Tango 2 322 Mar 2012 8:25 a.m. PST

There's nothing realistic about the show's theme(s): neither with the zombie outbreak

That's totally realistic, man. You obviously don't work where I do! grin

Seriously, you're right though, I should have specified "assuming the ridiculousness of zombies is a given" then… laugh

On the other hand, I said nothing about realism at all. Not sure why that was important.

I've been OK with the character interactions, they've seemed very believable to me. Maybe the ninja with the S&M zombie sex slaves will turn out to be OK, but now it's just (assuming one accepts, blah, blah) just comic book foolishness added to something that has largely been a struggle of maintaining civilized values when said the structures and institutions of civilization collapses.

Sorry, I don't much like comic books to movies as I'm not usually a fan of serious comics. The ones I've seen (which is not too many, I must hasten to qualify) are just teenage angst ridden to the point of pathetic. I rented some Keanu Reeves movie about some guy with a cross gun (I should have guessed with that) and I turned it off. V was the same stupid (in my opinion of course) thing. I've got very close friends who love that sort of thing so I don't judge anyone who likes it (or anything else I don't like for that matter), I just don't like it.
--
Tim

Gattamalata22 Mar 2012 8:43 a.m. PST

On the other hand, I said nothing about realism at all. Not sure why that was important.

On IMDb some of the fans are going on about about the show's "realism" and so necromancers and etc. would be inappropriate. Several threads have popped up in the last few days lambasting the idea of introducing Michonne, as she'll ruin the realism.

The zombie genre doesn't interest me that much, but looking on screen most of the characters aren't that believable and this is due to the acting and the poor writing.

Based on what I've dug up, Michonne isn't a ninja, though might be in the TV series, since there are ninja zombies.laugh

________________________________________________________

Anyone else seen the commercials trying to get TWD viewers to watch Mad Men?laugh

Mr Elmo22 Mar 2012 9:59 a.m. PST

ninja with the S&M zombie sex slaves will turn out to be OK

Oh my, I saw that scene and thought…yup, Jumped the Shark for sure.

This season was a bit disappointing. First, you get episode after episode of Zombie90120 and angst. Sometimes there was something worth examining like "Survival of the fittest" but it was mere mention at best.

THEN, two episodes before the season ends the writers must have realized they needed some season ending excitement and the zombies finally show up.

If next season is not out of the box good, I'm out.

Altius22 Mar 2012 11:31 a.m. PST

Based on what I've dug up, Michonne isn't a ninja, though might be in the TV series, since there are ninja zombies.

Yeah, from what I've seen in the novel, she's all too human. No superpowers, no ninja skills, tends to fall for guys a little too easily, seriously messed-up in the head. So she's got a samurai sword… I know at least half a dozen people who own samurai swords. There used to be a store in town that sold them. Hell, if I hadn't already settled on what anti-zombie melee weapon(s) I'd use when the ball finally drops, I might be tempted to use a samurai sword too, if I found one. If you're going to accept zombies, why wouldn't you accept samurai swords? Bruce Willis grabbed one in Pulp Fiction and no one even batted an eye, or said, "That's it. That's too much like a comic book". Of course not. It was friggin' awesome, that's why!

So she keeps her zombie ex-boyfriend and his buddy on dog chains… As already mentioned, she's messed up in the head. Besides, she discovered that over time, the zombies become accustomed to the presence of humans and more docile. She whacked off their arms and jaws in case they do get any ideas. So if you had a docile, harmless zombie, how would YOU propose to keep him? A dog chain makes sense. Besides, having a couple of docile zombies chained to her makes her sort of invisible to other zombies, or at least camoflaged to them. Remember when Rick and Glenn put on dead-guy-suits and walked through a crowd of them in Season 1? Same principle.

And besides, the fans of the novel have been clamoring for her appearance from the start, and the show's creators are just acceding to their wishes. If it bugs you that much, then you aren't even part of their target audience in the first place.

Oddball22 Mar 2012 12:24 p.m. PST

I like the last episode. Good fight around the barn. I don't know if Rick would know the prison was there as I don't believe they are in the area he worked in, so common knowledge of the area might not be there.

Bring on season three.

alien BLOODY HELL surfer22 Mar 2012 1:40 p.m. PST

why did Shane become a zombie after Rick stabbed him? I caught a bit of that episode but I've not seen any of the rest of it since ep 2 series 1!!

what caused the ZA, do we know?

much as I love zombie films, I cannot ever understand how so many people all get bitten and turned so easily/quickly that there is hardly anyone uninfected left – especially as zombies seem to rip apart/eat people they attack? did everyone turn at once bar a handful of people?

Gattamalata22 Mar 2012 2:51 p.m. PST

why did Shane become a zombie after Rick stabbed him? I caught a bit of that episode but I've not seen any of the rest of it since ep 2 series 1!!

The TV series is following the comic in regards to the virus: it's airborne and everyone is infected even if they don't know about it and it's possible that some became sick early on, due to having weak immune systems. One could become a walker simply by dying from choking on a pretzel or be bitten by one of them. Turning time varies between minutes to hours, depending on the individual. At the end of season 2 episode 13, Rick says what Dr. Edwin Jenner had whispered to him at the CDC last season, but he wasn't sure and couldn't confirm it, til Shane rose from the dead.
what caused the ZA, do we know?

AFAIK, it's not mentioned in the comics.

alien BLOODY HELL surfer23 Mar 2012 6:20 a.m. PST

cheers :-)

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2012 7:11 a.m. PST

I'm not sure that there would be too many strange sights during a ZA so after awhile nothing would seem weird any more.

Altius23 Mar 2012 7:36 a.m. PST

what caused the ZA, do we know?

iPhones.

jpattern223 Mar 2012 9:14 a.m. PST

Nah, that's Stephen King's "Cell."

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2012 9:52 a.m. PST

what caused the ZA, do we know?

Eating White Castle sliders.

darthfozzywig26 Mar 2012 11:27 a.m. PST

There's nothing realistic about the show's theme

I see that one a lot, especially when folks complain about Michonne/the sword-wielding Jedi with zombies in-tow.

Just because you introduce zombies into an otherwise realistic world doesn't mean you throw out realism everywhere else. "A wizard did it" can't become your explanation for everything, nor can your characters start becoming "uber" or otherwise become somehow different from ordinary people under extraordinary circumstances.

What's made the show work so far is that it's been down-to-earth characters. Real people, not "happens to be a former SEAL" or "tabletop wargamer who thinks he's ready for the real thing." (heh)

The danger with Michonne is that, while she might work in the comics, that doesn't translate well to television. Even her introduction screamed "CHA-CHA-CHAAAAAAAA! SUPER GIRL!"

Tango0126 Mar 2012 11:58 a.m. PST

I had seen the show again yesterday.(much more carefully).
The comments of the guy I post here are really exactly.

Amicalement
Armand

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.