"Ted Kennedy" Topic

Not a big surprise, it was certainly going to be sooner rather than later, but still, another Kennedy checks out…

RIP Senator thank you for your deication and service.

Cpt Arexu
(Not a big surprise, it was certainly going to be sooner rather than later, but still, another Kennedy checks out)
Kind of a Rude way to put it but to each his own.

Couldn't stand his politics, but he worked hard for his beliefs. RIP

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Love him or hate him he certainly was a force to be reckoned with in this town (WashDC). RIP Senator.

D~

Rest in peace sir.

Kennedy was a patrician's son who didn't have to care about people from the wrong side of the track, but he did. To him I say- thank you for making sure I don't pay a poll tax to vote here in Texas, and for outlawing racial segregation in public places (text of the Civil Rights Act), something my folks and grand folks suffered through in this land of "freedom."

From AP News: "In a multitude of areas including housing, income, civil liberties, and equality, Ted Kennedy has been on the front lines. His brother John introduced the Civil Rights Act of 1964, considered to be one of the most impactful pieces of legislation ever produced by our government. After John's death, Ted and his brother Robert were instrumental in seeing that the bill was passed."

With the passing of Sen. Ted Kennedy, Jean Ann Kennedy Smith, born 1928, is now the only surviving child of Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. and Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, and the surviving sibling of an incredibly storied generation within that family.

I didn't agree with a majority of his politics and views, but I do recognize that he was a highly influential member of the Senate and a force to be reckoned with in American politics. After the tragic assassinations of his brothers John and Bobby, he had the courage to shoulder the weight that his family's name carried, and he did it for many, many years of public service. The Democratic Party and Boston will never see another like him in our lifetime.

Godspeed, Senator, and thank you.

Hmm.

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Not trying to be controversial. Just being honest, as I grew up with a different, and very consistent, tradition.

I have to remain true to myself while not getting ugly by bad-mouthing the dead, so…

I could not have disagreed more with the methodology he took politically to achieve what would be noble goals, but he was at least, "out front," and not underhanded, stealthy or disingenuous with his path.

I feel for his family, and despite our vast differences; may he RIP – the illness he suffered over this last year was not a pleasant one.

I sincerely hope that his memory is allowed to settle for what it was to each, good or bad; and is not politically resurrected, twisted and manipulated with the end of the summer break by either party… but that is something we'll have to wait see.

I've always been kind of indifferent about the man himself… but he's certainly part of recent history… and I do appreciate a lot of what he was trying to do.

As a man he was able to grow out of some significant personal problems and become respected. Having watched loved ones goe through the final stages of cancer, I can say that I am glad his suffering is over.

Kind of a Rude way to put it but to each his own.

Rude? The man had terminal brain cancer, and, as noted above, belongs to a generation KNOWN for shuffling off this mortal coil (as opposed to other well-known siblings such as the estevez/sheen brothers, or the baldwins, and so on).

Or should I be lying and talking only sweetly about him? I think Mardaddy has it right,

I sincerely hope that his memory is allowed to settle for what it was to each, good or bad; and is not politically resurrected, twisted and manipulated with the end of the summer break by either party… but that is something we'll have to wait see.

"politically resurrected, twisted and manipulated with the end of the summer break by either party… but that is something we'll have to wait see."

Sounds very prophetic.

CC

I will go tell all the Texas towns on the borders that lost their medical offices due to his reforms that you think it was good idea. personnaly I still feel sorry for joan.

ArchiducCharles: "I guess I'm alone on this".

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I'm beginning to feel like I'M the foreigner (since I was brought up with a different perspective).

CC

RIP, Senator.

I did not care for his politics but I'm glad his suffering is over. I wouldn't wish cancer on my most hated enemy.

venusboys3, each "side of the isle" points fingers at the bad examples in one another's blogs, articles & anonymous-forum-replies, so I would make an effort not to "protesteth too much…"

It is all a wash…

"bad examples in one another's blogs, articles & anonymous-forum-replies"

I'm seeing more and more News services turning off the commentary feature because of spam, hate-mongering, conspiratorial ignorance, and rampant personal attacks, often from the very first post. There are plenty of people out there dancing on this particular grave, and every other grave reported regardless of political content, that we really don't need to indulge here.

Ted Kennedy was one of the great figures in American politics. You wanted him on your side. I disliked most of his positions on "liberal issues". He was an enemy of self defense rights. I'm glad he's gone in that sense. But surely there are better ways to "go" than brain cancer. So I'm glad he isn't going to suffer anymore. Didn't he work right up to the end?…

I'd have to say that he matured into the role (no pun intended) after his last attempt at the Presidency. I generally did not agree with his personal politics or style, but I admire the fact that late in his career he worked to bridge the party differences – where he'd done the opposite before.

Bob Dole just observed that when Kennedy promised something, he did his best to deliver and, at the same time he could deliver a scathing personal attack, but make you believe that it wasn't directed at you.

The only real personal experiences I had with him was that he sang "Cielito Lindo" (badly) on a local newsradio channel and that I was walking past him in DC has his two large poodles took a dump outside his office next to a sign that prohibited such action. I think I still have the photo.

For weal or for woe, a chapter has ended in American politics. Maria Shriver is probably the last Kennedy that really has that political talent.

Wyatt

I can separate my politics from the person and while I did not often agree with Senator Kennedy, I can respect his service, admire the courage with which he fought his disease and the strength of his convictions.

It should be noted that he was quite close to several Republican senators who considered him a genuine friend.

As I share his name I had to look in the mirror to make sure it wasn't me as I had had a particularly "fun" night at an Irish Bar here in Beijing.

Interesting enough this is the second famous Ted Kennedy to pass in the last week. Ted " Teeder" Kennedy was the captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs Hockey Team in the late 50's and early 60's and was one of my boyhood idols.

Now I only hope that the Irish tradition of things happening in "3" s does nor arise so to be safe I will be keeping a fairly low profile.

I guess I am one of the few who did like his politics.

RIP

So long.

I nearly ran into him in the little Senate subway back in the 1980s. He didn't have an entourage with him so I was sort of surprised to see him.

He apparently was good at making friends on both sides of the political aisle.

A good read: link

I guess I am one of the few who did like his politics.

Probably more share your opinion than you might think, most learn quickly to not discuss it here on TMP. Bill's Thought Police will whisk you of to the daw-gitmo-house quicker than you can blink.

LLC aka Ron

Probably more share your opinion than you might think, most learn quickly to not discuss it here on TMP.

Because it doesn't have any business on the miniatures page. It is by definition Current Affairs, the stuff people flame over, the stuff that the site rules say does not belong here. I should HOPE most learn quickly not to discuss it here on TMP…

A zillion political sites out in the greater internets and folks just can't be arsed to keep politics off this one. It isn't rocket surgery…

To Azantihighlightning, Ron and others who are supporters of Senator Kennedy's politics I am glad that you support his views. I didn't care for much of his politics but I could appreciate those efforts for their good intentions. I just wish that he and other who share those views as well as many who share a different view of things could have sat down and had a more honest and reasoned discourse over their differences instead of wielding their political machines like broadswords.

I do feel a sense of grief and loss for his family, friends and loved ones. I believe he attempted to be a positive good and I also share the sentiments of many that of all the ways to die cancer has to be one of the worst. On top of that brain cancer. Having watched friends and relatives die of cancer and others from mind robbing diseases like Alzheimer's I truly feel for the Kennedy family and can understand both their sorrow at Senator Kennedy's passing and relief that his pain is over. Rest in Peace Senator Kennedy, may we be worthy.

Senator Orrin Hatch (R – Utah) considered him a friend….

Because it doesn't have any business on the miniatures page.

I am fine with it having no place on the forum. My issue is if you are liberal your find yourself on a short lease about what is "political". If your a conservative, you get a lot more room to run about what is "political". My issue is equitable treatment.

Click the complaint button on a conservative, it is all boys will be boys. Click it on a liberal, it is a duck walk to the daw-gitmo-house.

Bill's House, Bill's rules.

LLC aka Ron

"Bob Dole just observed that when Kennedy promised something, he did his best to deliver and, at the same time he could deliver a scathing personal attack, but make you believe that it wasn't directed at you."

it called Irish diplomacy. To tell someone to go to hell and have them enjoy the trip.

I don't know, Grey.

When he called Bork a racist, I'm pretty sure Bork knew it was directed at him.

:)

Kind of a low blow there ACR. But sadly true, not Teddy's best years the late 80's to the early 90's. His second wife Vicky dried him out, and he was more effective in his last years than in the 80s.

RIP Teddy

it called Irish diplomacy. To tell someone to go to hell and have them enjoy the trip.

Isn't this another way of describing marriage?

I feel for his family and friends, but it must have been a relief at the end. I lost a friend to a brain tumor; it is not a death I would wish on anyone.

Everyone:

Aside from the DH break, I took a couple of days of much needed rest, which gave me a chance to feel like myself again. Severe sleep deprivation, along with other work and family health situations, combined to turn me into something I truly disliked.

So, let me try again . . .

Losing a family member is always difficult, and I am sorry that his family has once again suffered a major loss.

Of course, to a lesser degree, that sense of loss extends to many of his admirers and supporters, and this is neither the time nor the place to deride their expressions of grief.

In short, I apologize for verbalizing here my personal feelings.

Now that I'm feeling a little more "normal", I want everyone to know that I will make a special effort to exercise restraint and not make this, and other similar loses, the time to express them.

Dan

Every time I read of someone that is a rather minor player in life, if known at all for anything beyond their family and a few friends, that attacks someone else who did matter in life or made a difference to the masses or a nation, all I can think of is how sad it is to know that such midgets are throwing grains of sand at the feet of giants.

If we expect every man (or woman) to be perfect as we intend to judge them, which they are not as they're human, then we're demanding that they be gods.

To believe that one's opinion matters at all to the millions of supporters, or the friends and family of the decease, seems to smack of run away ego. To go out on a limb and think that one's politics is a standard of measurement also seems silly. What is the point of making negative public statements other than to pat yourself on the back for being…what?

If you cannot say anything good or constructive of someone who's died, then be quiet.

Regardless of Edward Kennedy's life, in 100 years he'll at least still be a footnote in history books while the rest of us are long forgotten. Same for Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Louis XIV and fill-in-the-blank of other public figures.

Dan

Regardless of Edward Kennedy's life, in 100 years he'll at least still be a footnote in history books while the rest of us are long forgotten. Same for Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Louis XIV and fill-in-the-blank of other public figures.

Whatever. As an archaeologist, I can tell you they're all just bones and artifacts after a hundred years anyway… Stalin's crumbling skull and Teddy's crumbling skull will look very much the same.

As for History – name three late 19th century senators…

As for History – name three late 19th century senators…

Strom Thurmond is the only one I can think of.

:)

Can think of several dozen, mostly because of their support of Jim Crow and such. Also easy to think of a number, such as Blaine that were just dishonest. TR had to deal with a number of such and while they may not be as well known to the general public as he might be, I was not suggesting that the general public even knows who their present Senator is (smile).

Dan

Dan

Daniel Inouye is my senator.