"Spider-Man Undoing 20 years of continuity" Topic

I donīt want to spoiler anyone so I wonīt give any details – but the end of the current Spider-Man arc which undones 20 years of continuity and changes all major developements back to what they were then stinks in my opinion. The decision of Peter and MJ makes no sense at all characterwise and and is insulting to readers. It is a shame that this story happened because of editorial demands of the editor in chief. No wonder the author (JMS) wanted his name of the story.

Iīm not against change in comic series. I had no problems with Spider-Mans unmasking for example but they must make sense. This new developement does not. It just turns the clock back 20 years.

You don't believe it's permanent, do you?

This is probably just setting up for another story arc.

What is the change?

Are they getting divorced? I haven't read spiderman in years now.

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gives a summary of the storyline.

Oh, wow, that is lame.

I dunno, maybe geta fresh start to the story? Remember, this is comics, and just a story arc, not canon. Things can and do change. Superman died once, do did the Punisher….

JQ has done allot of messing up with the Marvel universe since he ascended to EIC. I personally would love to see him hit the road. Examples, ending of House of M, the whole Civil War and the death of Cap.

Brian

I hate typing on this lsptop……….

sux…

This is just another example of why I'm happy to have left Marvel (and comics in general) when Quesada and the others came on board and decided to make the Marvel universe "extreme." And this is from somebody who came on board when Spidey was fighting "Just a guy named Joe."

I hate it! It's a lame story arc. It's this kind of stuff that has kept me away from picking up comics again. I've tried on a few occasions to get back into comic reading but it always fizzles out. This kind of stuff is the reason.

Y'all have just been reading the wrong comiocs all these years:

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Allen

Who shot JR……

Well, I dropped reading spiderman once he was the clone, and his mutant son stuff.

Speaking of JR…

I suggest that all you who care that much buy some Powerball Lottery tickets. When you win it big, buy Marvel and fire all the staff that offend you so much.
Then, have Peter Parker step out of the shower, while MJ is waking up. "Oh, Spidey! I had the weirdest dream!"

Until that happens, may I refer you to the rant I had about "I am Legend", and the vewy wude weply I got. It's only a comic book!

Examples, ending of House of M, the whole Civil War and the death of Cap.

House of M isn't over, really.

Marvel and DC are playing a gigantic game of Chicken, seeing which side can screw up their universe more in the name of sales. DC has run through a continuing cycle of destructive "Crises" for a bit over three years now, starting with Identity Crisis. They are moving towards another big one now with Countdown. Marvel got rolling with House of M (the seeds of which had been planted a decade or more before) and have been systematically ripping chunks out of the Marvel Universe ever since with Annihilation, Civil War, the most recent appearance of the Eternals, World War Hulk, Extinction, and pretty much everything else.

So who will blink first? Dunno, but DC has done shameless reality resets before, so they don't really need to explain or excuse. Marvel has a reset button they can use at any time for all of their ill deeds: the Scarlet Witch sounded the starting gun at the end of the House of M series, and she can wave the checkered flag at the end at any time she and Marvel management wants. Reality resets.

Marvel has a long history of short reality crises that reset after a few issues, so this would certainly set the endurance record. Will it off more people than the current nonsense is doing if Marvel does hit the reset? A lot of people seem to find the current Marvel stuff worth reading, but most that I've talked to do so out of "train wreck" fascination, not because they like where it's going.

Makes me really glad I quit both of the big guys for the most part and went almost completely indie comics. Sounds like a bad idea for Spiderman. But then I thought the whole Civil War idea was stupid as well.

I kind of figure that having a series of writers as well as a monthly publication that is ongoing for years added to the fact that there is a constant need for sales adds up to some crap every once in a while.

The trouble is in a movie the crap only builds up for 2 hours, or even with sequels a total of 10-12 hours. With comic books it can pile up for years and years.

DC needed crisis back in the 80s to get rid of all the stupid they did in the 60s and 70s before they started to take it "seriously" All the bat and super family stuff had to be chucked as well as a bunch of crap from before.

Now some of that stuff was bad but wasn't all bad so writers took another shot at it here and there. Bringing bits back isn't so noticable until you focus on them. Then you really up by focusing on them and having a massive cross-over that makes EVERYONE focus on them. After that the stupid idea is smashed into story lines like dog is smashed into the treads of your shoes. You can get it out with enough little sticks, but it sucks while you are doing it and it takes awhile. Sometimes its just better to wash them somehow or buy another pair.

With a bunch of different writers and deadlines there are a lot of tightly curled piles that comic book companies have to try to avoid.

I still maintain that Marvel is setting up for a gigantic "reset" story where it's revealed that all the Really Stupid Stuff that's happened in the Marvelverse over the last few years is the result of…wait for it…Superboy Prime punching the universe next door! I mean, blaming everything on DC is the perfect solution, what could go wrong? Besides, it's extremely metatextual, and everybody says that's a Good Thing these days.

Following that revelation, an elite strike force of the most powerful characters Marvel has will launch an all-out crossover assault on Superboy Prime aimed at undoing the damage before their sales whither away to nothing. Tragically, they discover that their own convoluted backstories render them incapable of defending themselves against his savage retroactive continuity punches, which hurl them into minor character roles in early Marvel romance comics. All hope seems lost.

But then, a second task force appears, composed entirely of non-canonical Marvel characters whose sheer obscurity renders them immune to retcon punching. Superboy Prime is dragged down by a tidal wave of What If? inmates, bludgeoned by senseless by New Universe characters, and generally slapped around by the residents of the year 2099. His sinister plans to rewrite all comics into unsellable chaos and oblivion forever are undone by the cosmic power of the Golden Oldie, with some assistance from equally non-canonical DC-native Lou Martin. SB-Prime's intellect is banished to the Gold Key funny-animal titles, and Marvel returns to publishing stories that we actually want to read.

Ha Ha. Superhero comic fans are such idiots for putting up with all the reboot/retcon/Bobby appearing in the shower crap the contemptuous publishers foist on them.

The only fan group that are a bigger gang of idiots for continually putting up with being spoon-fed insulting rubbish and still coming back for more waving their cheque books are Boxing fans.

Dont forget GW hobbyists(Im guilty of this myself…)

A general rule of thumb for me is "dont read comics written before 1995 or so" I tried reading some of the newer stuff, but… yeah. I kinda got into the JSA vs. Avengers thing(I think I got the first 2 issues,really only interested 'cuz I wanted to see who would kick who's ass), but my inability to keep up to date when the comics I wanted were coming out meant that I never saw it through. Aside from that, I like to read the What-If's, at least I know that What-If/sidestories/alternate history stuff lies outside the main continuity so I dont go through the pain of having to figure out quite what is going on…

In my 20s I scoffed at people for doing this, but in my 40s I'm really finding it makes sense: Do your comics reading at the graphic novel shelf. Then you get a full story with the necessary background to support it. Don't worry about the larger multiverse.

I read comics for fun only, and I know which stories are cack so I think my money is safe from making bad writers and artists richer for their subpar efforts.

House of M and Civil War were the last crossover omnibus thingies I bought and never cared about the long list of the other titles tie-ins.

Then, I quit regularly reading Spider-Man when I was about 17 or so, so if anything gets a reboot… I know I will not notice it or miss it that much.

What everybody else does with their money, I really don't care, but some storylines that have popped recently are really lame. That much I will certainly agree with.

That's why I dumped DC in the mid-90's and never looked back at them.

Marvel still provides a few interesting stories, so I do check out new things they publish, but besides The Ultimates and Ultimate FF, I don't buy their regular series.