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21eRegt17 Dec 2007 9:26 p.m. PST

I have all the parts necessary to play the 1st edition of Luftwaffe except the combat results table. I haven't been able to find it anywhere on the web, any suggestions of where to look? Thanks!

Personal logo Schulein Supporting Member of TMP17 Dec 2007 10:10 p.m. PST

I own the gane. If you send me your email address I can scan the aerial results table for you.
Peter

Bardolph17 Dec 2007 10:29 p.m. PST

link
link

Either of those the one you need?

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP18 Dec 2007 7:22 a.m. PST

Just so you know a new version of the game with better maps, counters, and a cleaned up version of the rules was just shipped by Decision Games.

asa106618 Dec 2007 8:35 a.m. PST

Isn't that the strategic level bombing game where the basic premise is "The German's did everything right"? I did not enjoy it at all. It's one of the few games I got rid of at an auction.

David S.

Personal logo The Nigerian Lead Minister Supporting Member of TMP18 Dec 2007 8:41 a.m. PST

Stick with the older game. Buddy of mine has it. The cleaned up map is harder to use, the counters are hard to read, and the rules are more confusing. It looks nicer, but it plays worse. Not worth $50, unfortunately, as I was looking forward to it.

Andrew Walters18 Dec 2007 9:50 a.m. PST

This is the game that almost made be miss being a gamer.

As a not unusual twelve year old I was reading about WW2, especially fighter planes, and when I saw a board game about WW2 air combat I thought it would be awesome, and bought it – my first wargame.

Of course, its operational, and as a twelve year old I understood strategic and tactical, but not operational. Its also fairly opaque and confusing. I played with it, solitaire, a couple of times, more or less making it up as I went, and then it sat on the shelf.

A year later I saw an ad for Ogre in the back pages of Science News, and that was that.

Unloaded Luftwaffe at an auction during my sabatical from gaming during/after college, and bought it for a buck later at a flea market to see if it was as nonsensical as I remembered. Almost. I'm older and more knowledgeable and I see where it tries to go, but I still think there should be an easier way to get there.

I'd still like to look for some good operational level air combat games, when I get some time.

Andrew

21eRegt18 Dec 2007 12:03 p.m. PST

Thanks Bardolph, the second link was exactly what I needed.

I played the game a fair amount back in the 70s and enjoyed it a lot. I will always remember a fateful game where one squadron of B-17s was headed for my last target before I could claim victory on the last turn. Only the city AA defenses stood in my way. Only a "6" on a d6 could cheat me of my hard won victory. Needless to say…. But it is still one of my most memorable board games.

Thanks to all who posted.

Michael

Martin Rapier19 Dec 2007 7:08 a.m. PST

I too used to enjoy Luftwaffe back in the 70s, a very innovative game design but probably not one to cut your teeth on. We used IIRC Lou Zocchis 'air combat' for tactical WW2 air games and the old Paragon rules for WW1 with planes on sticks.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP19 Dec 2007 7:18 a.m. PST

I used to enjoy a variant which provided for monthly vice the quarterly turns. I also remember an old computer game made for the old Apple computers which was a version of this game. Remember how long it took the computer to finish out a turn/raid once you planned them as the Americans!

coopman19 Dec 2007 4:24 p.m. PST

I just saw Lou back in August at Heat of Battle in New Orleans. He is alive and well.

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2009 10:10 a.m. PST

Good old Lou Zocchi!! What a great guy.

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