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Anemaat24 Jul 2007 12:48 p.m. PST

I am quite new to miniature wargaming and was lately quite impressed with Fire and Fury. However it isn't easy to get the rulebook.

I also know there is a Napoleonic Fire and Fury variant called Age of Eagles. Although I feel more attracted to the ACW I am quite curious about AoE, since Napoleonic warfare is tactically richer and you have more nations. Not unimportant it is still obtainable.

In other words what are the differences between both systems? And which one do you prefer?

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian24 Jul 2007 12:56 p.m. PST

Both are sound, simple, enjoyable systems. There are a couple of differences in C2 and turn sequence (AoE has an initiative phase and Reserve Movement phase). Part of the beauty of both is that you can play big battles in realistic (an afternoon) time. It also works well with just a few people and 5-10 units per player (approximately a Corps). Actions with roughly a Corps per side are playable, though for AoE most actions in the Peninsula are on the small end of the scale.

I've been playing FnF since it first came out, and the same for AoE.

Berlichtingen24 Jul 2007 1:02 p.m. PST

AoE is the better set of rules currently. I think it really captures the period well. I have heard rumors of a new edition of fire and Fury in the works. If it incorporates some of the Ideas in America's Wars (regimental F&F fireandfury.com/aw/aw.html , also in the works) I might lean the other way. I really like the change of target's morale determining fire results. Personally, I'd grab a copy of both

Former Member Account Inactive Member24 Jul 2007 2:20 p.m. PST

Boy my post got bug out of existince I guess

Dropzonetoe Fezian24 Jul 2007 3:31 p.m. PST

I saw that. I was afraid where my post about it would go :)

50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick Inactive Member24 Jul 2007 5:42 p.m. PST

F&F is a classic; one of the best games of the 1990s. (Although I suppose technically it was written in 1989.) After almost 20 years, it's still the standard for ACW.

The Napoleonic version is likewise very good, clearly-written, and well thought-out. If I were a 15mm player, and didn't have my own set, I'd play AoE.

The only issue I have is that they're beholden to a specific basing system, which more or less assumes 15mm figures. Of course one can use different size figures, but then the game changes size dramatically and the stand-removal becomes an issue with very small figures like 6mm, unless you just paint and base a whole lot more of them.

Original F&F also lacks any sort of army-corps command system. Everything is based on the activation of individual brigades. That's fine if you have a player for each corps. But it also means that Sickles will never advance into the Peach Orchard against Meade's wishes. (There's no way that a corps will ever do anything *as a corps*.)

Still, the overall feel of both games is excellent.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Jul 2007 5:44 p.m. PST

Is Fire and Fury out of print or something?

50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick Inactive Member24 Jul 2007 6:03 p.m. PST

It's gone through at least three printings, but the last one hasn't been in a while.

Former Member Account Inactive Member24 Jul 2007 7:54 p.m. PST

And that one was rather sad. Looked like someone threw it on a bad photocopier and ran off a few hundred copies.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Jul 2007 10:19 p.m. PST

Yes the last "rint" run was really just a color photocopy on the outside all B&W on the inside.

Even so it was one of my best-selling rules sets at ScaleCreep.com

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Jul 2007 12:52 p.m. PST

It sounds like my first edition copy of F&F just went up in value. I'm not selling it though. I think it is one of the best "packages" of rules ever put together (a little history, nice color pictures, easy rules, graphic rules demos, etc).

Anemaat28 Jul 2007 4:30 a.m. PST

Thanks for your answers everybody.

Any change that Fire & Fury will reprinted? Eventually updated?

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