"Another Sword for Kapitan Ivanka" Topic

Now that looks WAY better. The Swordgun was just lame.

Much better.

Saaaaaaay. Looking nice there, commissar cheesecake.

Definitely looks better with the alternate sword.

Love the new sword and looking forward to ordering this one.

Better. Still don't like the Fredericks's-of-Hollywood wardrobe, the I-am-a-tart stance, and the big gun. But better. The sculptor certainly has talent – he did a great job on her face, for example. I just want my SciFi figures to be a bit more serious.

Boobies!

Seriously, there are some nice details on that miniature.

I do think of a Victoria's Secret runway show when I look at it though; was tempted to post a pic, but that out a way to warn people…hey people, there are pics of women in small measure of clothing.

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I guess the art of political persuasion (she IS a comissar, right?) has decided to go for the basics.

"Yeah, sure, Nancy. I REALLY like the Moody Blues and Elton John. Now, come over here…"

Kommissar Kapitan Ivanka was best known for her actions on the planet Phornic XIII where she heroically led her troops in an assault against superior numbers. What the official records don't include was mention that her uniform had sustained "strategic pre-battle damage" and that the she hadinformed her troops that their mission was to liberate a convent belonging to the Chlamydia chapter of the Sisters Repentia.

Anecdotal reports indicate that the assault was so successful that IG forces routed not only the Orks holding the objective, but also the Chaos and Dark Eldar forces on the adjoining table.

Wyatt

Unfortunately the scabbard is still the one for the weapon.

She looks very nice to me.

Nice figure,remember a comissar is not only the political officer but also the morale officer as well!

She could raise my morale.

In a fight, you know.

Better, but the scabbard needs to be changed.

Looks like the scabbard is too integral to the sculpt, so changing it would really be too much to ask.

This sword looks much better! I'm curious: what CAD program is she rendered with, and was she actually sculpted, or printed out using one of those 3d printers? (I don't know how advanced they've gotten these days.)

Very cool figure

"Kommissar Kapitan Ivanka was best known for her actions on the planet Phornic XIII where she heroically led her troops in an assault against superior numbers. What the official records don't include was mention that her uniform had sustained "strategic pre-battle damage" and that the she hadinformed her troops that their mission was to liberate a convent belonging to the Chlamydia chapter of the Sisters Repentia.

Anecdotal reports indicate that the assault was so successful that IG forces routed not only the Orks holding the objective, but also the Chaos and Dark Eldar forces on the adjoining table.

Wyatt"

That comment made my day.

Since I'm of the computer gaming generation, may I just add an apt quote from the Dawn of War games:

"Squad Morale Restored!"

I just want my SciFi figures to be a bit more serious.

Indeed, but what do you mean by 'serious'?
Nobody knows what civilian garb or military outfit will look like in next centuries, but one point is certain: NOT like an extrapolation of current ones. 'Predictions' such as the ones implied in 'serious' SF miniatures ranges are as close to the mark as Robida's visions of 'war in the 20th C.'.

Then, *reasonable* sword pistols DID exist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_gun

I'd really like to see her converted with a tricorne and a 18th C. (multibarrelled? Or with a revolving cylinder: such already existed in the late 16th C.:

) pistol: would look very 'Lacepunk' TMP link . Or with her cross would make a nice Heinkel Wolfe for a 18th C. transposition of 'Hellsing' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellsing .

Indeed, but what do you mean by 'serious'?
Nobody knows what civilian garb or military outfit will look like in next centuries, but one point is certain: NOT like an extrapolation of current ones. 'Predictions' such as the ones implied in 'serious' SF miniatures ranges are as close to the mark as Robida's visions of 'war in the 20th C.'.

Rule 1 is that if the future really has men and women being considered full equals on the battlefield why would women then decide to dress like hookers? Are the men shown in thongs and mankinis? No, they aren't.

It's a nicely sculpted model but let's not get away from the fact it's game-porn.

Much improved in the look of the sword, I like this one a lot more.

why would women then decide to dress like hookers?

Because when men and women are really considered full equals, women will no longer be ashamed their femininity, will dress as women and not as men. Beauty -"attractivness"- is fundamentally a *natural* feature of the *fair* sex (re. the opposite roles of female and male pheromons and body language since the appearance of sexuality in Eucaryots), and does not have to be hidden. Only prudish bigots and ugly feminists will deny it, then: the same kind that did not understand that uplift bras are the most 'biologically correct'.

Recommended reading: Desmond Morris "The Naked Ape", "The Human Zoo";
Pierre Louys "Les aventures du Roi Pausole".

Respectable (venerable, even) precedents:

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I'll have to agree with abdul66lw. If you remember the original Star Trek series the women wore mini skirts. In the Next Generation they tried to bring them back but in the second season they were gone. They even put a few men in those skirts (which was a crime against humanity). In the latest Star Trek movie, however, the women are back in mini skirts.

Indeed.
And in the "60, for those arguing that 'serious' / 'hard' SF characters wear extrapolations of contemporary garb (re. later Aliens Colonial Marines, now the archetypal model for 'serious' SF miniature soldiers), we had this:

to justify that:

Those were the days…
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Later prudishness made a come-back: compare the female uniforms in Cosmos 1999 to those of UFO. 'The Times They Are a-Changin' not always for the better.

Raging Heroes: wonderful miniature, do not worry about some absurd pseudo-moralistic comments on clothing brief.

Wish someday they'll be interested in 'generic' (but blatantly well-gendered) 'Lace Wars' Amazons: link
Of course, not as 'commercially safe as 'riding the wake' of GW, for instance; but on the other hand who would have predicted the success of Hinterland Victorian 'hussarettes' link ? And at Raging Heroes they know how to sculpt pretty faces…

I'm pretty sure my wife and other female soldiers who actually have been shot at or near an IED that went off were pretty damned happy to be in the same body armor their male counterparts wore, vice some teenager's idea of Sexy Combat Uniform.

THe battlefield is not the place for 'sexy', and real women know that.

Jake

There will be force fields in the future. War can then be fought in slip on sandals and a nice terry toweling reading robe if it is brisk outside.

Because when men and women are really considered full equals, women will no longer be ashamed their femininity, will dress as women and not as men.

You must know different women to me then.

I'm pretty sure my wife and other female soldiers who actually have been shot at or near an IED that went off were pretty damned happy to be in the same body armor their male counterparts wore, vice some teenager's idea of Sexy Combat Uniform.

Exactamundo.

No self righteous comments about her using sword? Mybe they can re-issue sbres then.

So, the argument as it has developed goes that we should not extrapolate what female soldiers in the future will be wearing from current trends… but instead look to what (male) directors and artists were putting them in during the 1950s-1960s. Not sure I follow your logic, there…

Oh, and babayaga: my comments are not that the outfit is immoral… they are that the outfit is impractical and thus stupid.

I have a fair number of female troopers in my SciFi army… none of them were issued their uniform by Fredericks of Hollywood.

My rule of thumb is not to make negative comments about what I see as bad sculpts – I have no talent in that regard so it seems to me to be out of line for me to anything about an ugly sculpt. But when I see a fantasy or SciFi figure I might have bought ruined by goofy armor or really huge weapons, I will comment because the quality of the sculpt is not the problem, but a deliberate choice made by the artist and/or miniature company. Some people do like the cheesecake look – I think it is important that companies and sculptors know that many of us most emphatically do not.

I'm fine with cheesecake… but cheesecake comes in different flavors and this flavor is on the 'skanky stripper' end of the continuum.
If she was meant to be a model for a fetish magazine who got caught up in an impromptu battle with nothing but her cardboard 'weapons' then fine…

Some people do like the cheesecake look – I think it is important that companies and sculptors know that many of us most emphatically do not.

Many? I'm afraid you are overoptimistic here. Sculptors sculpt what they like, within the freedom allowed by their employer, and companies fund what they expect to sell well.
I fear 4Ok players outnumber Stargrunt Hammer Slammers ones, and they (but not only them) like the cheesecake look; GW is only restricted (and but bras on its Amazons and Daemonettes) because of the *parents*.

My comments are not that the outfit is immoral… they are that the outfit is impractical and thus stupid.

Sorry, but if you looked how soldiers were dressed during History, you'll find many far less practical dresses. Do you think the hussar uniforms, the puttees worn my many armies during WWI… were *practical*?
On the other hand I fully agree that the weapons are oversized on the most silly way. Probably an unfortunate marketing necessity to ride GW wake.

I have a fair number of female troopers in my SciFi army… none of them were issued their uniform by Fredericks of Hollywood.

If they are dressed and equipped by mere extrapolation of current practices, they are surely as off the mark than Robida's predictions about 2Oth C. uniforms and weapons.

We don't know what aliens may look like, the only certainty is that they do NOT look exactly like us -so close convergent evolution is astronomically unlikely; And we don't know what soldiers will look like in less than a century, but certainly NOT like extrapolations of modern ones: too simple, unimaginative, and perfectly illogical. Re; Robida again!
. Do you believe that when humankind uses FTL travel and antigrav, weapons will still need a barrel? Actually such context would probably allow invisibility fields, so it's childish to use miniature figurines at all: clear plastic chips would be far more accurate.
*Good* so called 'hard' SF such as Clarke's 'RV with Rama', is set in so close a future that there is no hypothesis, no 'what if?' about Human technology, and aliens are not depicted. Any other form of SF is in reality as fanciful as WH40K.

I'm pretty sure my wife and other female soldiers
who actually have been shot at or near an IED that went off were pretty damned happy to be in the same body armor their male counterparts wore, vice some teenager's idea of Sexy Combat Uniform. The battlefield is not the place for 'sexy', and real women know that.

WHAT battlefield? It's purely a *contextual* matter. In a context were swords are still useful weapons, somehow Barsoom and SW fashion, such dress is perfectly fitting: I don't remember that John Carter and the Jedais wore heavy armor… H&M soldiers of our 'Real History' wore no armor and far less practical uniforms. So the combination dress / weaponry may be unlikely, even silly if you wish (yet, I maintain, *no more* than any 'Stargrunt'), but perfectly self-consistent.

dress like a hooter… cheesecake on the 'skanky stripper' end of the continuum.

Do you realize that this judgment is 200% subjective, i.e. totally embedded in an instantaneous 'snapshot' of fashion? In the early "70, my 2 grand-mothers -both 80+ devout Catholics and respectable old women- wore dresses that in her youth (ca. 1905) not even a hooter would had dare to wear in public: *their ankles were visible!!!* (and they went out bare-headed, except when going to mass: in 1905 even the lowest s wore a hat, the last vestige of the Abrahamic veil).

You must know different women to me then.

Most likely -andI'm glad of this.
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Again, I suspect what ever the uniform/armor the guys wear will be what the women wear. They'll want the same level of protection against the environment and any other threat.

In your future, chicks may all dress like strippers in combat while the men wear more practical uniforms. For some gaming that is okay, if that is what you like. I just don't see it ever happening in real life.

In your future, chicks may all dress like strippers in combat while the men wear more practical uniforms.

Sorry, but I *never* wrote that: indeed it would be perfectly illogical. I expect men and women dress to be (unless for some silly religious taboo, always to fear) of the same degree of encumbrance: is John Carter more heavily dressed than Dejah Thoris? In a world with hot climate where the sword is somehow the weapon of choice, it's *self-consistent*. As it would be in a context where skin-tight individual forcefields offer better protection than any material armor (not even need for sandals: a forcefield is better than any sole; for cultural reason, wearing a penis shaft or G-string may still be 'proper'). One cannot ask for more.

I have a fair number of female troopers in my SciFi army… none of them were issued their uniform by Fredericks of Hollywood.

You are probably to young to remember the period, but I know women who in the sixties, students and young teachers at the univ. then, dressed like that. Actually practically *all* girls / young women wore very mini 'minis', then.
Nowadays in France more and more girls and women of any age wear trousers under their dress / skirt not to be harassed by islamists of both sexes. Soon they'll feel compelled to wear the hijab. My nostalgia of the "62-"71 decade is not due only to the fact that I was young then! I know that for you Americans it was the 'Nam War, but in France we were at peace for the very first time since 1939, the was no unemployment at all (and the 'big employers' had not imported hordes of cheap workers from Maghreb), the general living standards were rising…

Civilian fashion (your chicks in mini skirts) is not combat gear. Guys dress differently in combat than they do hanging around at the mall too. I go on post and see troopers in flip flops and shorts and tank tops hanging out. I also know they wear full body armor with trauma plates, helmets, ballistic eye protection, combat boots, knee pads, etc when they are in a combat zone. By the way, that is both sexes.

John Carter novels seem to be your main source? Hooah. We're never gonna agree, so I'll drop it.

abdul666lw: If they are dressed and equipped by mere extrapolation of current practices, they are surely as off the mark than Robida's predictions about 2Oth C. uniforms and weapons.

First, again it is interesting that you fault extrapolating from current uniforms and then promptly support your argument referencing far older uniforms, and second, the uniform you are defending has been (indirectly, by way of GW) extrapolated from WWII uniforms.

Certainly uniforms 100, 200 years from now are probably going to be radically different than now (even if we're back to loin cloths and heaving rocks at each other, of course). Indeed, it is quite likely that soldiers will be so armored up that gender will be impossible to ascertain from simply seeing a soldier. However, this figures is based on (1) the assumption that uniforms will be very similar to 20th century uniforms, and (2) females will have combat rolls in war. Given those assumptions, the figure isn't very logical.

"You are probably to young to remember the period, but I know women who in the sixties, students and young teachers at the univ. then, dressed like that. Actually practically *all* girls / young women wore very mini 'minis', then."

If Kapitan Ivanka was being depicted off duty waving a bottle around the Cheap-Beerz-r-Us bar, her "uniform" might make more sense. As for dress in the 60s, female soldiers of the period did not dress in miniskirts and boots with 6-inch heels _when on duty_, I'm pretty sure.

John Carter novels seem to be your main source?

Not at all: mainly A. C. Clarke, for 'hard' / 'serious' SF. But I'm still to discover any 'hard / serious' *military* SF set more than 50 years in the future and out the Solar System.

However, this figures is based on (1) the assumption that uniforms will be very similar to 20th century uniforms, and (2) females will have combat rolls in war. Given those assumptions, the figure isn't very logical.

I agree -but what I discuss is the assumption n°1. Weaponry, military equipment, use normally the state-of-the-art of technology. Meaning that as long as military uniforms, weapons and vehicles look like mere extrapolations of contemporary ones (as 'serious' SF minis and models do, e.g. Brigade and Khurasan excellent ones), Humankind has not yet discovered FTL travel, antigrav and the like, and is unable to leave the Solar System. Using them in any 'interstellar' setting is thus as 'childish / silly' as any GW delirium. Even more, since the 40K Imperium is supposed to use the relics of a more advanced science.
And as soon as science and technology are advanced enough to use FTL travel, antigrav &c… Barsoomian clothes are indeed more likely than 'Aliens' ones.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic": hence 'fantasy' dresses are *more* likely than '21th C.' ones in a very advanced (interstellar capable) SF setting.

Will someone please make a range based on Lady Gaga/Kylie Minogue's male dancers. Equality of cheese/beefcake. Equality of **entertainment**. And more sculpts about gaulic beserkers or whatever…

For all of GW's super machismo (not that theyve made this model), they're the most PC producers. Slaaneshi cultists for the above, daemonettes (now hideous crone versions, the previous too risque obviously), well armoured Sisters of Battle (and button cute with the bob haircut too), bronzed catachan rambos, more male muscle on a space marine than an entire defensive line… oh my

It's not an impractical uniform. It'll stop a bullet as much as a police uniform will. They're both practical uniforms, not for stopping bullets. If anything, its sterotypical or maybe even archetypical, but yeah, a commissar figure to liven up the lasguns.

In the Aksakal sci-fi (Sol'una), everyone wears Dior. I'm tired of quasi WWI, steampunk, mad max themes and skulls.