Help support TMP


"Warhammer Ancient Battles Update" Topic


22 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please do not use bad language on the forums.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Return to the Warhammer Ancient Battles Update News


Areas of Interest

General

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Showcase Article

Transporting the Simians

How to store and transport an army of giant apes?


Featured Profile Article

Music Video: The Banshees of War

Old song, new art, surprising popular! And it shows what AI thinks it knows about wargamers…


1,605 hits since 22 Dec 2009
©1994-2026 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP22 Dec 2009 6:07 p.m. PST

"and a 28mm Napoleonic wargame"


That MIGHT actually convince me to play Napoleonics!

PzGeneral22 Dec 2009 6:09 p.m. PST

GW doing Napoleonics?

I can't wait to see the comments about this one!

popcornbeer

Wargamer Blue22 Dec 2009 6:37 p.m. PST

Nice cover art.

PaintsByNumbers22 Dec 2009 6:40 p.m. PST

why do they think they need a new edition? what rules changes have been made?

aecurtis Fezian22 Dec 2009 6:48 p.m. PST

There are changes. They might not be bad changes. There could have been changes sooner:

link

But they thought others could do better. I love Aurelian's perspective:

TMP link

Allen

Baconfat22 Dec 2009 7:26 p.m. PST

Hard covers from Forgeworld are very expensive.

Mehoy Nehoy22 Dec 2009 8:41 p.m. PST

28mm Napoleonics! It's almost an oxymoron. I can see it now – a 6' x 4' table and two massed armies with 6" separating them…

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP22 Dec 2009 10:02 p.m. PST

"28mm Napoleonics! It's almost an oxymoron. I can see it now – a 6' x 4' table and two massed armies with 6" separating them"


Lol…and dont forget, the rules favor all battle being decided by close assaults.

HarmonWard22 Dec 2009 11:26 p.m. PST

At the Muzeo in Anaheim we just completed a 10 week run of Napoleonic wargames in 28mm. We used a 6'x12' table and fit a significant portion of the battle on it. We also hosted 15mm and 6mm games 28mm was by far the most popular scale with the visitors. As a added plus, some digital cameras zoom in on the faces of 28mm troops as if they were human. This impressed a lot of people who just came to see the Napoleon exhibit.

As I always say,

It doesn't matter what the scale is, as long as your friends have an extra army.

What matters is the friends.

Robert V22 Dec 2009 11:36 p.m. PST

Don't hold your breath. About every other year they announce Napoleonic rules.

FGMinis23 Dec 2009 4:13 a.m. PST

At last some news about WHAB !! It is good to read that the new book will be out next year ( the price will be over expensive for sure ) but what the hell with all the supplements scheduled for years ? No word about Divine Wind and Successors as always, and no more words about Hundred Years War and Crusades; maybe my grand children will play with these books

Scutatus23 Dec 2009 6:22 a.m. PST

As I have stated elsewhere, this is all very welcome news indeed. I look forward to getting my hands on the hardback WAB2 – I have waited a long long time. Official confirmation of Napoleonic and WWII works in progress are aslo of interest.

But you know,seeing this announcement here on TMP just a day after us subscribers to the newsletter got it is rather irritating. We were left wondering and wondering, given meaningless advertisement after advertisement as "news", when what we really wanted was updates on the works in progress. We got not a single word about what was really happening from Forgeworld itself, and only now on the "deadline" do we get this revelation about going to the printers.

Instead of an 11th hours advertisement that actually everyone has access to, it would be nice if the "newsletters" sent to e-mail accounts were exactly that, a source of keeping those interested (their fanbase)in the know, in the loop, up to speed with real information about latest developments, how the supplements are coming along, etc etc. There are a lot of patient (and not so patient) WAB players out there that have been waiting literally years for some books (CoughSuccessors!cough)and it would be nice if Forgeworld recognised this and was more open about what is happening. If only to reassure people and keep players interested.

A "newsletter" reduced to the same hype and advertising that message boards get isn't much of a newsletter – especially when most say nothing new at all!

Warlord does it better. Which is kind of ironic considering the staff of Warlord and where they "started".

Don Perrin23 Dec 2009 7:53 a.m. PST

I believe that the Editor just took the newsletter announcement and turned it into a TMP announcement. That's why it's a day later.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian23 Dec 2009 8:53 a.m. PST

The announcement arrived in the TMP email news queue – and there can be a wait of a day or so before I catch up on the email queue, depending on how much news there is at any given time.

Scutatus23 Dec 2009 10:08 a.m. PST

The delay is not the issue. It is that subscribing to WH "newsletters" gives you … well, nothing, except for the dubious privelege of receiving adverts to your e-mail box instead of looking for them in forums. One does not actually gain any "news" that you couldn't find elsewhere. Less in fact, since what little I have learnt of production progress has actually come from discusion on forums rather than any official word in so called "newsletters"!

TMP itself has done nothing wrong. I'm just using this site as a means to vent. ;)

companycmd23 Dec 2009 12:07 p.m. PST

On several issues…

On 28mm wargames.. Gents:

A 28mm scale does BY NO MEANS mean you have to have as many figs as 15mm or 1/72 for that matter; so you will or should NOT have your armies separated by 6 inches at the start; if that is the case, you're doing something wrong.

If you think you need as many 28's as 1/72 or 15mm per unit, think again. The fact is, this and these larger scales simply means your units need only be 6-8 men per unit. DO NOT fall into the trap of tons of men as with other GW eras because you DON'T.

Now, ahem:

Far be it from me, but guys, GW has FINALLY got their game on re: historicals.

If these guys continue to make stuff in historicals, all other manf. are doomed or at the very least, any manf. had better get on the bandwagon ASAP because the power of these guys is undeniable.

Remember, 6-8 guys per unit, NOT individually mounted, one gun with crew per battery, and 3-5 horses per squadron or battalion if you think that looks right and as far as limber teams goes.. face it: these models are nice but frankly are a WASTE of manf. power and resources; then again, if you only HAVE 3 batteries per game, 3 limbers should not set you back a hundred bucks. Your entire ARMY should not cost more than $100 USD USD.

If, in a Nappy game, you have spent or are going to spend more than a hundred US dollars, STOP.

Remember, in order for war games with miniatures to get new kids into the game, the size of the table CANNOT be larger than 5-6ft deep and 8 feet long. Again, if you're games are bigger than that, STOP.

We (at Imagine Image Multimedia and what remains of our gaming group in Illinois), are going FULL into 28mm Ancients to WWWII, because 1/72 and 20mm is DAID DAID DAID. If a reader doesn't already know, we have collections of HUNDREDS of 1/72 figs and vehicles, still, because when we DO have biggie games, e.g. larger than 8 feet long meaning the game lasts 1-2 MAX hours with 2 companies per side, we still want to have games that size but there is NO WAY ON EARTH we can have games like that with 28mm. Nor will we afford it NOR will any kids we know even think about playing games that big.

For 28mm, we will have about 10 units per side for the entire game, and in WWII that means about 6-8 squads of infantry and about 6 mechanized items. That's it. For Horse and Musket stuff, about 10 units per side with 3-4 batteries AT THE MOST. So you see, the entire switch is totally related to COST.

GW is doing the right thing at a basic level of trying to increase shareholder value, but there is absolutely NO WAY we are going to support their business model by letting them suck us in to boxed, useless miniatures. We will support anyone who makes plastic stuff with interchangeable heads, arms, torso and legs because metal is FAR too hard to shape and customize. If we have to buy metal, it will only be from lack of foresight in the manf. to get it done with plastic.

They, and all manf., MUST produce bags of heads, arms, legs, torso etc. instead of forcing us to buy whole boxes. Businesses must stop packaging the way they are with all the wasted resources. Sell figs IN parts and IN bags. This is an equivalent rant to the enormous amount of wasted resources here in the U.S. for packaging milk in plastic jugs instead of plastic bags, cereal in boxes instead of bags (like crisps/chips that is). Get it? Pass savings onto the consumer and concentrate on getting new players and giving kids and their dad's a financial break.

On the other hand, DON'T listen to any of this and instead, go entirely over to 54mm because a BAG of miniatures, that kids are going lady ga-ga over lately, costs about $20 USD USD. But, those are also coming from China and I am growing somewhat concerned about that.

At conventions, kids ranging from 7 to 14 are TOTALLY ENTHRALLED by the 54mm figures and that scale is VASTLY easier to manipulate with young hands and even better for older eyes.

Now in regard to the newsletter topic vs. blogs and forums.. if I have to visit one more blog or forum and swim in the muck of insane organization and formatting I am going to go postal. Try and get an answer for software questions at Adobe.com's forums. After a few minutes there, I swear you'll come to hate computers and give them up for good.

Now, back to the holiday chear.

TC

companycmd23 Dec 2009 12:10 p.m. PST

And I was not just stuck in an airport terminal for two hours.

TC

wehrmacht23 Dec 2009 2:13 p.m. PST

>GW is doing the right thing at a basic level of trying to increase shareholder value, but there is absolutely NO WAY we are going to support their business model by letting them suck us in to boxed, useless miniatures.

Ummm… GW doesn't make historical miniatures. All that Warhammer Historical Games/Forgeworld is doing is producing rules.

Decent rant, though. 7/10.


w.

ZeroTwentythree23 Dec 2009 3:01 p.m. PST

And I was not just stuck in an airport terminal bar for two hours.


There… fixed that for you. ;)

I'm not sure I even understand your point. Something about evil overlords and the end of the world as we know it.

Sounds like your basic premise (I think) is that of GW dominating and exterminating historical gaming, which hasn't happened thus far and I don't expect to happen anytime soon.

Farstar23 Dec 2009 4:41 p.m. PST

Sure is 4chan in here suddenly.

GW has FINALLY got their game on re: historicals.

No direct evidence of that so far. Just more marketing spoo. When the new book is in hand and in front of the buyers, new lists are at the printers, and necessary old list revisions are rolling out in easily accessible places, then you might be right. Might.

DeanMoto23 Dec 2009 5:50 p.m. PST

TC:

I applaud your passion! grin

Mehoy Nehoy24 Dec 2009 6:31 p.m. PST

In the grim darkness of 1814, there is only war. And skullz.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.