"New Dreadnoughts from Forge World [40K]" Topic

These venerable dreadnoughts have too much ornamentation for my tastes, but I have been thinking about buying a 'vanilla' MKIV from Forgeworld, the version with just the plain chassis. I reckon I'd get close combat weapon/storm bolter arms for both sides, to recreate the old Contemptor variant.

Every time I think these can't get any sillier…

26 quid without arms?

I like the looks of Forge World stuff. But I won't buy a new model without all of the parts.

Oh, I know why they sell it that way, and I approve. They make a dozen or so arm options for the Mk IV. It was either this, a "standard" pair of arms that only 10% of the buyers want both of, or a complex arrangement to let the buyer determine which arms are included. By splitting it all up they offer the same "best" functionality without the clumsy coding.

Its the price that gets me.

Eh? You can get the arms for it, albeit separately. Other than the prices involved, no different from buying hoplites and having to supply your own spears.

We need Emperors Children 'noughts!!!

Then "we" might want to look more closely: link

Re: price. Resin can get expensive if you use the high quality stuff. I just received a turret from a Russian company called MIniarm for a T-64B model project (1/35 scale) that cost the princely sum of $52. USD I had to supply the rest of the tank. So something that is $40 USD cast in resin (FOrgeworld uses decent resin) isn't so out of the ordinary.

Damon.

It looks like a complete model will be about $62.24. The model after looking at it again looks great.
But heck, I got an Black Reach set with Marines, Rules, Orks, Terminators, and a "Dreadnought" for less money.
I think for $42 USD they could throw in some arms.

"Then "we" might want to look more closely:"

Lol, "We" should have been more precise…WE need pre-heresy E.C. 'noughts…not Chaos ones ;-)

I've read on several posts, however, that Forgeworld quality is lacking. That specifically, the resin they use tends to get lots of little air pockets in it, and that castings require lots of putty and additional work to fill in to make it look right.

If these were cheap, with quality issues, i'd understand. But paying above top dollar, for dubious quality?

So I'm curious, did I read the few unhappy posts out of thousands of satisfied customers? Or do they indeed have a commonplace quality problem?

Curious.

SeattleGamer I think those posts you read were by anti-GW fascists. I've been buying Forgeworld models for years with complete satisfaction.

The Forge World upgrade kits for my Nurgle Land Raider and Death Guard Terminators are alright. There were some bubbles in the resin terminator bodies. But everything painted up well. They make a wonderful addition to my Nurgle army (which I lost tonight in another game of horribly cursed dice, namely mine).

But it cost me about $54.00 USD with shipping for the upgrade kits. I know people who spend hundreds of dollars on the all the vehicles and titans. But I'm not the league to afford your own 20,000 point apocalypse space marine chapter!

Thanks Falling Airborne for the comment.

Given that this is GW related, I always have to take any negative comments with a shaker full of salt, not just a grain. There are just too many knee-jerk negative comments made any time GW is being discussed, for me to take anything at face value.

Having recently seen 'Avatar' James Cameron seems to have been raiding the GW universe for inspiration. The walkers look familiar.

Uesugi Kenshin:

Lol, "We" should have been more precise…WE need pre-heresy E.C. 'noughts…not Chaos ones ;-)

Correct me if I'm mistaken in my thinking here, but…

The reason why the Chapter-specific Imperial dreadnoughts are so dripping with ornamentation is because they are "venerable", and having been in service for all those millennia have been increasingly adorned over time. Similarly, the Legion-specific Chaos ones have been warped and embellished upon over 10,000 years.

So if you want a pre-heresy Emperor's Children dreadnought, should you not just use the plain MKIV? Does it not make sense that a pre-venerable, pre-Chaos dreadnought would lack all the added ornamentation of later millennia? If not, then why do Forgeworld make a plain MKIV?

I know that current artistic vogue is to make anything to do with the Horus Heresy even more heavily decorated than 'modern' 40k equipment, but it wasn't always so. If you look back at the original Horus Heresy game setting, in 1st edition Epic (Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine) the designs are all quite decoration-free.

All of which is the long, long way of suggesting using a basic MKIV for your pre-Heresy EC, maybe with a suitable Legion icon attached to the front panels. Or given that they're EC and eligible for a special sort of ornamentation, you might want to add some of the aquilas from the set now produced by GW (I can't provide a link as GW's site is down for maintenance as I type this).

That's what I'd do, anyway.

The standard Dread is 25 GBP, but it does come with two sets of arms. The AoBR is a lot cheaper, but it does lack in detail (and comes only with one set of arms). Now look at the Venerable Dreadnought, which you should actually compare it with, it costs 35 GBP (and also has one set of arms).

The FW model with arms is 40 GBP, not that much more expensive then the metal GW model.

You could of course convert a Venerable Dread from the cheap AoBR plastic Dread, but the amount of time it would take to convert would be a lot. And we all know time = money.

Never can find how to quote a post on here…

In response to SeattleGamer, I'm no GW frother (the only even tenuously related to GW games I play are Rogue Trader and the new WHFRP), but the few FW items I and my girlfriend own (from individual figures up to the Coaching Inn) have been high quality castings, and I can't think seeing of a single air bubble in them. Sure, some putty is needed around the joins, but I don't think that's unusual or a mark of low quality.

I've bought a few items from Forgeworld, and I think I've ever had one casting flaw (skull on a World Eater terminator not fully cast). All the other items I've bought (including some Eldar ships for BFG, arms for traitor guard, detail plates for rhinos) have been perfectly cast with no air bubbles whatsoever.

Perhaps I have a different perspective because I'm a model builder who occasionally indulges in resin upgrade kits. The aforementioned T-64B turret had a small airbubble in the resin (recall this is a $52 USD kit!), and my Accurate Armor conversion for a Chieftain Mk.11 had several sub-surface air bubbles ($120 kit). Compared to all of the resin I've bought over the years, Forgeworld is about par for the course, which is fine for me…

Damon.

Somebody needs to tell them that "memento mori" means "remember that you are mortal," not "souvenirs from the dead."

Everything I have bought from forge world has been excellent quality. However, if you buy it and they decide, after you've bought it, that it is discontinued, good luck getting your money back. I have never seen a refund more drawn out in my life…

I have exactly one Forge World model and the barrels have bubbles inside them. So, nothing to fill, but the barrels are bent at a curious angle which might have something to do with the bubbles.

I've found the casting to vary from acceptable to excellent, but the engineering choices on some of the older kits leaves something to be desired.

Having recently seen 'Avatar' James Cameron seems to have been raiding the GW universe for inspiration. The walkers look familiar.

Are you suggesting that bipedal walkers are the intellectual property of Games Workshop…?