"Historicon 2010 Relocates" Topic

Through out the land there was much(your verb here)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phew

Chris P.

I cannot believe that of all the places in the Northeast, this is where HMGS-East decided to have their convention. If there was a location that had no support it had to be this location. Simply unbelievable.

Grabs &

This should be entertaining…

Well, I like it as a choice a whole lot more than Baltimore.

Well that's it. It'll take me an extra 20 minutes to get there, so they can just do without my business. Just goes to show they have no respect for their customers.

You've got to be kidding,20 minutes? Your not going to Historicon just because it takes an extra 20 minutes?

Hilarity ensues.

I am opposed to this implied support of foreign monarchs, being so close to this 'King of Prussia' monument. Don't these folks know we fought a revolution to avoid that sort of thing? Harumph…

LOL !!!

As an objective observer, this whole saga has been amusing and sad in a "watching a train wreck" kind of way. Now, let the brickbats begin about this selection. Oh wait, they already have (see the third post above).

Move along!

Nothing to see here folks…

and even more . Maybe some too!

While this move seems to address many of the concerns about Baltimore, obviously some people aren't going to be happy no matter what. Should be entertaining to watch.

This is good news!!
Will we still be able to have the flea market at this location?

Never mind, I just saw the note about the flea market in the release.

I was going to forget about making any attempt to attend my first historicon this year due to rumor of it being in beirut, but this changes things. Now if I could just get my wife to concentrate on not delivering until August…

at least I can get my request for the days off in now. And for the record, I like Baltimore and Lancaster both for various reasons. Just glad to know something solid so I can make my plans.

Darn, I was really looking forward to Baltimore.

Well that's it. It'll take me an extra 20 minutes to get there, so they can just do without my business. Just goes to show they have no respect for their customers.

Good one Lol…

Hahahahahaha….

You kill me…

I would have thought the winter would be a more appropriate time for any con held at Valley Forge. :P

I like how "…working plumbing" was one of the selling points for the vendors.

As far as I know the air conditioning issue was one that could happen to any facility and was fixed in time for the show. It happened on one day, move-in day, and was fixed pretty quickly.

The plumbing issue I would think would have more to do with the people using the toilets than the facility itself. I'd imagine some of us gamers could clog up anything.

Much better then BCC plus its my old stomping grounds..and lots of family and friends too see while there.

This is bad news for gamers whose wives accompany them to the convention and the vendors who sell to those gamers.

Not 10 minutes from the convention site is the King of Prussia Mall. It's huge and has really top end department stores like Nordstrom, Saks Fifth Avenue, Neiman Marcus and Bloomingdales (yes, all of them).

There goes your figure/rules/terrain/books money! :)

But seriously, while I'm sure the venue is good as a gaming site, it's not as attractive a location family wise as either Lancaster or Baltimore. There is nothing for the kids to do out there, and while there are attractions in Philadelphia, it's about a 40 minute drive to them (Phila Zoo, Camden Acquarium, Please Touch Museum, etc.)

Oh. Forgot to add that there are some pretty good places to eat in that mall too. There's a Morton's Steakhouse, Legal Seafood, and some others IIRC. So you won't be limited to Stoltfus' Amish Buffet (or whatever it was called).

jdginaz … it was a joke. I already drive ten hours to get to the East Coast. One location is pretty much the same as another.

Hey it's only an hour or so from me!

I for one am just glad it is in a valley. The mountina ridges help block the signal from the Trilateral Comission's mind-control satellites, so I won;t have to wear my tin foil hat.

I agree about the whole Monarchy thing too.

Wasn't there a dry run at BCC a few months ago? What was the total disaster than caused HMGSE to break contract and go site hunting again?

Wyatt

All the King's Men has made reservations and plans to be there! The move comes as a relief to us since so many dedicated customers had declared they wouldn't attend Baltimore. For us, it's a split different. Valley Forge suits our AWI line! Baltimore would have suited our War of 1812 line!

What was wrong with Baltimore again? Gamers are afraid of anyone with skin darker than pasty white?

Apparently that was one thing among many. Boycott seemed to be in the air, from the vendors as well as the attendees…

Much closer to home for me. I'll take it.

And I'll point out that the art museum has an incredible collection of arms and armor.

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Anytime you can move your convention away from a major metropolitan area to a small, census-designated place in Upper Merion Township you gotta do it!

For Vendors -
Non-Union Facility

Eh?

For years I traveled from the Valley Forge area to Lancaster for the convention. Now I live in Lancaster and their moving it to Valley Forge. I can see it now, this year I'll be on the turnpike and I'll forget whether I'm on the way there or on the way home.

This thread looks familiar, as if I've read it before.

As I tried to point out sometime ago, BCC is a union shop. For example, when a vendor needs electric in his booth the union guy has to set it up. That's got to add to the cost.

Looks like I may not be and evil mudslinger after all. For the record I liked the Host fine, I'd be happy enough to go to Baltimore, and I'll do my best to go to Upper Merion Township

I agree that the Union shop of the BCC may have been a major factor. For the record; I don't like Unions, which may have been needed at one time to ensure that employees were compensated and treated fairly, but today I feel are more often run by a bunch of corrupt lawyers who take money from both sides and play both against each other. On a personal note, after having to deal with the unions at the BCC in 1998 at the Wordcon I can honestly say that it was a most unpleasant experience. It was plainly frustrating trying to get anything accomplished under the constraints that the Union Rules listed in the convention contract, and expensive because of the rates they were guaranteed.

If this was just one of their reasons for not using the BCC I will completely understand. Considering the HMGE has been dealing with a PA venue and that state's laws for many years, I can easily see why Valley Forge is a good compromise for their location. I wish them luck, good die rolls, and a large attendance to cover their expenses. I'm sure that they needed to have signed contracts with the new venue in their hands before announcing this decision to the public and vendors.

Cheers!

'Drew
studiobergstrom.com

What was wrong with Baltimore again? Gamers are afraid of anyone with skin darker than pasty white?

Hexxen…basically three things when it all boiled down…

1: No one was willing to give it a chance.

2: HMGS didn't respond in a timely fashion to questions, comments, etc, about the BCC, and the rumors grew ugly and out of control.

3: Many folks were more concerned with "Hang Pete Panzeri", rather than "Let's give it a shot and see what happens.", while others were still angry about 'grievances" from HMGS from the mid 1990's…that no one really remembers or cares about…

Oh and there's a chance that your reasoning was a factor also….

Even though I (personally) dissaprove of the location, I will wish HMGS-East luck on this, and hope they can salvage the con. Too much bad stuff has been spewed out.

Unfortunately I won't be making it because of the relocation, plus since all of the hoopla, Origins is looking much more attractive…plus I have the Morgans Crossing Reenactment to do…

Wishing "HMGS-East" The best in this endeavor…

What does this mean for the GW part of the equation?

The "skin color" factor is total , and anyone bringing that up should be ashamed of themselves.

For me, it was economics and logistics. Everything was out of my orice range, and I have very uncertain unemployment.
As for logistics, I had no desire to hump my armies a half mile in the summer heat of Baltimore.

As for not being willing to give it a chance, I would not be willing to give reenacting Bataan a chance either. Again, nonsense.

The "skin color" factor is total , and anyone bringing that up should be ashamed of themselves.

Sorry John, but I'm not ashamed. My comment was a shot at anyone who said "crime" was a reason they didn't like Baltimore.

stumer 22 Dec 2009 7:04 a.m. PST wrote:
I agree that the Union shop of the BCC may have been a major factor.

Here we go AGAIN!
VR
James Mattes

Doubling down on the , I see.

Truth hurts.

Hexxenhammer, I'm a Federal agaent and if the shoe fits wear the bloody thing!! Do you think they all just visiting Afro-Americans that are causing the crime? I see the stats for that place and it's a zoo really glad someone pulled their head out of a very small and dark place and moved the con someplace thats not a warzone..

Methinks John doth protest too much. While it may have been a purely a matter of economics, logistics, and orice for you John, it is ludicrous to so broadly assert that the rampant, crackerish The Wire-driven fear of proximity to 'the other' that holds sway with an unfortunate number of our fellow gamers was not a factor in this whole junior high-school drama. No one is accusing you of being a racist/classist John; what's the justification for this striking such a nerve with you?

Hexxenhammer, I'm a Federal agaent

What a terrifying thought.

what's the justification for this striking such a nerve with you?

Because I hate Al Franken/Janeanne Garofalo/Al Sharpton (Dare I use the "L" word?) type snooty sneering superiority. Not ONCE in the ranting and lunatic ravings prior to this did race come up. NOT ONCE.
Dragging race into this is nothing but poor loser condescension.
Dragging in race is the last refuge of a scoundrel. It is the invariable last gasp of someone who is losing the argument, and badly. It makes the loser feel all morally superior.

For the record, I have also never seen one single episode of "The Wire".