 28mm Fanatik  | 31 Dec 2018 9:16 a.m. PST |
I thought late war Sturmgeschutz III G's are distinguished by the Saukopf "Pig's Head" mantlet. This isn't a movie, so you can't accuse me of "wrong tank syndrome," or rather wrong gun mantlet on assault gun syndrome in this case. |
| foxbat | 31 Dec 2018 10:16 a.m. PST |
Well, actually, they ran out of Sauköpfe some time around the end of the war, and reverted to their stashed old trapezoidal mantlets. But I think having the option would be nice… |
| 3rd Foot and Mouth | 31 Dec 2018 11:03 a.m. PST |
Bafflingly, if you follow the link and look at the sprues there are two sets of guns: a pair with the trapezoidal mantlet and a pair with the Saukopf, the sprue even says on it "EARLY" and "LATE" next to the former and latter respectively. Looks like they just screwed up the painted examples and assembly guide.. |
| foxbat | 31 Dec 2018 11:13 a.m. PST |
*chuckles*
serves me right, I guess! never assume the poster you're answering has clicked the link! |
| 3rd Foot and Mouth | 31 Dec 2018 11:23 a.m. PST |
To be fair it's not simply a case of clicking the link – even the full colour-coded assembly guide inexplicably ignores the Saukopf guns. |
| Thresher01 | 31 Dec 2018 12:36 p.m. PST |
I thought late ones would be on Pz IV hulls. |
| shirleys painting | 31 Dec 2018 2:46 p.m. PST |
The "late ones", were StuG 4. When the production of the 3g's was disrupted due to bombing, someone figured out that the upper superstructure of the 3g could be somewhat "mated" to 4 lowers, an thus, the StuG 4 was born. |
| OmniJackal | 31 Dec 2018 3:21 p.m. PST |
The StuG IV is NOT a late StuG IIIG. |
| 28mm Fanatik | 31 Dec 2018 7:45 p.m. PST |
It would be nice if the kit also allows you to build the StuH-42 with the 105mm gun. |
| King Monkey | 01 Jan 2019 5:23 a.m. PST |
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| shirleys painting | 01 Jan 2019 11:41 a.m. PST |
omnijackal- I was'nt saying the Stug 4 was a "late" Stug 3. Just saying that the Alkett factory, which made the Stug 3, was smashed by American bombers in early 1943, and one of the Alkett management team came up with the idea that the upper Stug 3 could be somewhat mated to the Panzer 4 lower(after a fashion; A drivers "cabin" was added, for example), hence the "Hybird Pz3/4"designation. |
| shirleys painting | 01 Jan 2019 8:36 p.m. PST |
Also, according to "the encyclopdia of German tanks of World War Two", the Hybird Stug 3/Stug 4, did'nt have a 105mm gun variant. |
| deephorse | 02 Jan 2019 6:08 a.m. PST |
Just saying that the Alkett factory, which made the Stug 3, was smashed by American bombers in early 1943, The Alkett factory was heavily damaged in a bombing raid in late November 1943. In order to continue production of a very valuable vehicle type the StuG superstructure was mated to Pz IV hulls in order to produce the StuG IV. Alkett did not make the StuG IV, but was back to producing StuG IIIs by February 1944. I have never before seen the StuG IV referred to as a hybrid Pz3/4 or a hybrid StuG III/StuG IV. |
| Walking Sailor | 02 Jan 2019 8:55 a.m. PST |
deephorse is correct.
StuG IV's were produced at Krupp-Gruson.
Panzerkampfwagen III/IV (Sf) were the basis of the Hornisse/Nashorn and the Hummel (and it's Munitions Fahrzeuge (ammo carrier)). These were built at Deutsche-Eisenwerke. Sturmgeschütz 40 Ausf G (StuG III-G's) were produced at Alkett beginning in Dec. '42.
Saukopf in late '43.
Co-ax Mg in early '44.
Remote control Mg (the V-shaped shield) in spring '44. Sturmhaubitze 42 (StuH 42) were produced at Alkett begining in March '43.
Improvements to the Stug IIIG were made to the StuH at the same time. This information from Chamberlain & Doyle |
