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Condottiere07 Jun 2019 11:32 a.m. PST

Steel Fist has quickly become the "gold standard" for Italian Wars miniatures. Looking forward to their future releases and wish Simon continued success.

Sandinista07 Jun 2019 2:07 p.m. PST

They are very good, I am tempted to resurrect a project

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP07 Jun 2019 3:15 p.m. PST

Mounted "arquebusiers"?

Ominious. I would be glad to see any reference to any being used apart from making infantry mobile (as happened eg with some Italian formations)

Apart from that, order placed.

Simon Chick Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Jun 2019 3:03 a.m. PST

Puster – the arquebusiers and crossbowmen will be posed as riding/advancing. You're correct that at this time arquebusiers were most probably mounted for getting from A to B.
There are images of crossbows being shot from horseback in late 15th century Swiss/German illustrations however. But 'at ready' poses will be most useful we think.

PS – thanks for your order!

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jun 2019 10:52 p.m. PST

Mounted crossbows were indeed used in European warfare, especially in Germany, to the point that some author dreamed of the perfect crusader army consisting of French knights, English archers and German (mounted) crossbow. I forgot who that was, however. These did use their crossbows while mounted. Afaik all depictions are from the era before 1480.

The usage of arquebus, however, seems limited to "Dragoon" style (not unlike the mounted archers) and afaik were used at least by some Italian formations in the 1510-30ies. I have read of earlier attempts to use arquebus (or other shot) by heavily armed mounted to break up the enemy formations directly before a charge, but failed to find any contemporary samples for their actual practical use. These would take another couple of decades before being realized with the pistol armed "Reiters". Afaik one of the Vermeyes cartons on the "Siege of Tunis 1535" shows a mounted Berber shooting his arquebus, though.
That said, the horses used by arquebusiers to move should differ from those used for mounted combat. Coursers and Destriers vs. Rouncy and Palfrey.

Feel free to produce them, and if they sell all the better. I will most likely get me a sample of each of your splendid minis for that era, though put these aside the mounted arquebusiers of TAG as curiosities.

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Jun 2019 6:18 a.m. PST

In 2016 I saw a painting in the Palazzo Rosso in Genoa that shows both mounted and dismounted arquebusiers (or musketeers) firing at cavalry. Unfortunately I didn't photograph it or note the year. :-(

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Jun 2019 7:02 a.m. PST

Damn. Now I need to see that painting :-)
Just spend 20 minutes searching for that online, though to no avail yet. Its mandatory that you return and provide us with photos!

Condottiere10 Jun 2019 9:42 a.m. PST

Its mandatory that you return and provide us with photos!

I hear Genoa is very nice this time of year. A mere train ride from Germany--do post your photos when you return. ;-)

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Jun 2019 12:29 p.m. PST

Genoa is a pretty nice place most of the year around. :-)

SAMURAIFREDDY13 Jun 2019 1:11 a.m. PST

Hi guys I am Genoese (though not a mercenary crossbowman…) and would gladly source a copy of the picture of Palazzo Rosso painting you mentioned in a few days for you all..!Genova is a nice and a very important historical town in Italy, regretfully not as famous as Rome, Florende, Siena and Venice; nevertheless she is full of valuable museums, art collections and historical artefacts due to her very peculiar history as an independent town and republic in Italy until XIX C, dating back from the very early Medieval age. By the way we have the only world XVII, XVIII and XIX C defensive forts belt still intact surrouding the town hills: more than 15 forts and largely intact military route connecting them. Simon I checked the website Yesterday but most of the Medieval and Renaissance infantry pack still seem to be out of stock. Will they be available again soon!?

thank You Federico/samuraifreddy

Personal logo Endless Grubs Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2019 11:39 a.m. PST


Personal logo Endless Grubs Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2019 11:40 a.m. PST

"Battle between harquebusiers and cavalry", c. 1640.

Condottiere14 Jun 2019 12:48 p.m. PST

…c. 1640.

About 120 years later than period depicted by the Steel Fist cavalry.

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Jun 2019 12:33 p.m. PST

LOL that is great to see! That's precisely the one. Thanks very much indeed for digging it out, Endless.

I did say that I couldn't recall the year. :-)

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Jun 2019 1:05 p.m. PST

Thanks a lot. Thats what I call international service! Much appreciated.

It definitely is too late as a sample for the minis in question, and seems to show an ambush on a mounted unit, not regular combat (which also means that firing when ambushed does not mean it was typical tactics).

BTW: Genoa – one of the two major Italian seapowers, with a medieval and renaissance history to behold. For the Italian wars the role of the Genuese fleet under Andrea Doria cannot be underestimated, especially eg when he changed sides in 1529 and doomed the efforts of the Italian and French army before Naples, while saving the besieged Imperials. The city is definitely on my list to visit in the years ahead.

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jun 2019 3:51 a.m. PST

Yes far too late to be relevant for the point in question, but super to see it again.

Puster- Genoa has a superb replica galley that you can wander around, in the Maritime Museum, which is well worth a visit.

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Jun 2019 4:24 a.m. PST

If I visit Genoa, I will remember and visit the Maritime Museum if it fits in.

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