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boggler10 Feb 2016 11:50 a.m. PST

I like the sound of this.

I'm guessing one to one skirmish, 28mm? Platoon sized?

Fergal10 Feb 2016 12:47 p.m. PST

Make it a PDF and take my money!

mashrewba10 Feb 2016 12:54 p.m. PST

Poor old Jim Callaghan…

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian10 Feb 2016 1:11 p.m. PST

controversial?

cloudcaptain10 Feb 2016 1:35 p.m. PST

Ditto…lay that PDF on me guys.

Dennis030210 Feb 2016 1:49 p.m. PST

This could be very interesting….East German advisors. American mercenaries,large scale city fighting, British nukes hijacked by the IRA…

bridget midget the return10 Feb 2016 2:32 p.m. PST

More 20mm 1/72 from what I remember.
Is it any more controversial than alternate ending WW2 or ACW?
I remember finding their blog a few years ago and being very interested, then loosing the link and not being able to find it again. Bookmarked again now. Dystopia future past and Power In The Darkness. Happy Days.

Mike Bravo Miniatures10 Feb 2016 3:37 p.m. PST

20mm has a good amount of suitable stuff, Elhiem in particular off the top of my head and of course all the HO scale model railway kit.

Completely coincidentally (sort of), I'm going to be steadily releasing 28mm figures for this period (Brit Army/paramilitaries initially, general civvies in due course). link

For 28mm you need to be more creative with scenery and fudge the scales a bit with diecasts and O Gauge railway stuff, but there's quite a bit out there.

mashrewba10 Feb 2016 3:42 p.m. PST

I've got a load of 20mm rebel/civilian types with British equipment -they look like Liberation Miniatures.

Kropotkin30310 Feb 2016 3:56 p.m. PST

I've followed the blog for quite a while. Bravo for getting a rule-set out. Best of luck to you Mark and Maff.

MH Dee10 Feb 2016 4:21 p.m. PST

Ordered it today. SO looking forward to this – my favorite music is the whole Post Punk/Industrial scene, I grew up in Belfast during the Troubles, and I was a teenage anarchist, CRASS style.

This is SO right up my street

IainAF11 Feb 2016 1:09 a.m. PST

I'd also like to add my best wishes to Mark and Maff – always a great read at their blog.

For those of you that weren't around in '79 in the UK it was bloody grim. My dad was the TGWU bloke at Fords in Dagenham – weird time, we had our phone tapped and Dad got arrested at home by plain clothes Police for something spurious he had done when he was a copper years before.

Also a cracking song off a fantastic album, as Bridget would agree?!

Oddball11 Feb 2016 2:27 a.m. PST

At least if this had happened it would have a great soundtrack to go with it.

My favorite period of music in Britain.

Reactionary11 Feb 2016 4:17 a.m. PST

Well as I was a part time, ahem,"Army Tactical Questioner"; in 1979 I know which side I would be on… Just need a few 28mm figures in DPM jacket, puttees, lightweights and beret (Cyprus Green) equipped with Small Metal Gun and a Browning!

kabrank11 Feb 2016 4:19 a.m. PST

Ordered and will finally give a rule set for something I have been working on for ages

Vigilant11 Feb 2016 4:37 a.m. PST

Quite a bit available in 28mm figures now. MoFo from Gripping Beast for Brits in Falklands era kit. East German "advisors" from Under Fire. Russian "advisors" from Eureka. Rioters from Ainsty. Cops and troops from 7TV. Saracen armoured cars from Grubby tanks ex-Britannia range. Other British military from Sloppy Jalopy. Plus all the VBCW civilians for farmers with guns. Looks like fun. 79- I'd just left university and was going through RAF officer training, I know who I would have been fighting!

dwight shrute11 Feb 2016 5:27 a.m. PST

the glorious baby born from this parent ; winterof79.blogspot.co.uk

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2016 6:43 a.m. PST

Sounds like fun – Could be subtitled – Revenge of the useful idiots.

alan L11 Feb 2016 7:56 a.m. PST

Don't forget police, gangsters and civilians from Killer Bee.

Dave Ryan11 Feb 2016 9:17 a.m. PST

Thanks for the interest- and the purchases- chaps. It's going down rather well

There are indeed plenty of 20mm out there- we are adding a few ourselves- and an increasing number of 28s. Watch this space.

First supplement well under way

Dave Ryan11 Feb 2016 10:02 a.m. PST

Good listing of figures etc on the blog spot

Dave

Caliver Books

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 12:43 p.m. PST

'Sounds like fun Could be subtitled Revenge of the useful idiots.'


I'm guessing some of our American friends are unaware quite how dicey things got back then in the UK, regarding a particularly toxic brand of far-right extremism, with the rise of the National Front etc, and Loyalist terrorists in Northern Ireland, to possible military coups etc. It's a pretty dark period in history really.

As pointed out too, it was a backdrop to a particularly fertile period in British music though.

Goonfighter11 Feb 2016 2:50 p.m. PST

You can play this however you want, a loud TV pulp thing of punks with sten guns vs the Flying Squad or the hard routine of foot patrols in the Marxist Republic of Free Ambridge. That's without opening the box marked "Scots & Welsh Nationalists vs the Eton Rifles."

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 3:13 p.m. PST

Weirdly, before I was aware of these rules, I was planning to write a scenario based on the Claude Chabrol film NADA!

Features a group of anarchists/BM types who kidnap a wealthy politico (but have no real idea what to do with him) – the film climaxes in a long siege of their cottage hideout by security forces etc. Sounds like a fit.

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2016 4:59 p.m. PST

This American is well aware that is was high tide for British/Irish communists AKA useful idiots.

Makes for a colorful game much like the 1930's.

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 5:32 p.m. PST

You're fine with the neo-nazi's then ;-)

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 5:46 p.m. PST

I wish a miniature designer would make truly authentic minis for this period though – for the anarchists/reds/whatever – they should look at shots of bands like Public Image Ltd, Gang of Four, Wire, Throbbing Gristle, Crisis, CRASS etc etc – there weren't quite the caricature of 'punks' you often see.

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 6:01 p.m. PST

This should be one of many inspirational tracks (wow, this is the most excited I've been about a new ruleset/background/period for ages)

YouTube link

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2016 6:47 p.m. PST

When nazis and communist fight as long as there are high casualties, we all win.

Same methods – same police state – different uniforms.

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 7:21 p.m. PST

Not really though – the leftist groups I belonged to in the past (the period we are discussing) also fought for worker's rights, the NHS, against hardcore racists etc. The UK Left did have issues, of course ('What's Left' by Nick Cohen is an incredible sourcebook for this period), but it was pretty full on back then, and the various Left groups did stand up to a violent far right explosion.

I was a Left Wing activist – I don't think I was a 'useful idiot' – maybe a really annoying, self-righteous teenager, but that term ignores that many did actually want to live in a Socialist state, and weren't some mere Stalinist puppets.

This, obviously, was a long time ago, and I have changed my opinions since, but it's still a little insulting being referred to as a 'useful idiot' – by someone quoting Stalin

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2016 8:53 p.m. PST

Sorry you took it personal.

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 9:57 p.m. PST

Oh,no worries! It's something I'm still a little passionate about, but – as I said, was a younger me. Bit more pragmatic these days, etc!

Mike Bravo Miniatures11 Feb 2016 10:36 p.m. PST

MH Dee mind if I pick your brains ref 4.46 post?

I'm looking at 'civvies' at the moment to go with our Brit Army.

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mikebravominiatures 'at' gmail .com

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 11:17 p.m. PST

No probs Mike Bravo- I'll sort that out. Would be happy to do that

MH Dee11 Feb 2016 11:35 p.m. PST

It was basically my teenage past!

Goonfighter12 Feb 2016 12:21 a.m. PST

I don't think this was a simple as Nazi's vs Communists; I'd describe it as a kaleidoscope. I remember some of my much older male relatives, union members and absolutely non nazis, muttering about immigration and how "they" should "send the tanks in".

Meanwhile you have – allegedly – establishment elements at the very least, considering a coup against the Wilson Government to "save the country" ie restore the status quo and the natural state of affairs as they saw it.

Move up a few years and you have the stark left right divide of the Thatcher Years.

So, unless you were a convinced, card carrying member of a specific grouping, you probably "belonged" to any number of groupings depending on what issue was in play and what The Sun's headline was that morning.

I'm exaggerating but I don't think it was simply Nazi vs Communist

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 5:28 a.m. PST

Martin,

We have more in common than you would guess.

Good gaming to you.

Vince

Wayne at WI12 Feb 2016 6:59 a.m. PST

Hello people,

The main concept behind the rules comes from Matt and Maff but the actual rules themselves are written by Mike Bradford. They are suitable for the setting and Cold War skirmish level actions all over the shop. I've just finished the first supplement which was inspired by the playtest games we played but the open ended nature of the Winter of '79 concept and the rules means that there is more that could be done.

For example – I've talked about Ireland in the first supplement background but left it open for someone else to write – imagine the battle to unite Ireland with US support for the Republic…

The different factions in the UK – you get an overview but what about some detail work?

Overseas – the Loyalist Royal Navy and Marines are doing their best to support British Overseas Interests but they are pretty thin on the ground

The BAOR – the changed situation in Europe means the BAOR are trapped…

Oh and…

The Soviets are coming…

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2016 7:58 a.m. PST

It does sound like near unlimited options. If it get more figures produced for this period that would be great.

MH Dee12 Feb 2016 8:38 a.m. PST

Rules just arrived!Cheers Dave!

Looking good – will settle down with a glass of wine and wallow in them soon.

Dave Ryan12 Feb 2016 9:42 a.m. PST

Good stuff, Mike the author was just in discussing the next bits. the first weapons for the 28mm armed civilians are in the mold

MH Dee12 Feb 2016 9:45 a.m. PST

Just ordered some Yardies and Skins from Foundry!

And I'll have a think about some Northern Irish source material!

kabrank12 Feb 2016 10:16 a.m. PST

Rules arrived next day.

Great service from Caliver

Look very nice and looking forward to the suppliment

bridget midget the return12 Feb 2016 1:28 p.m. PST

MH Dee, I think this is probably the inspirational track for this YouTube link , to be honest the whole album (Power In The Darkness)

MH Dee12 Feb 2016 2:44 p.m. PST

Oh yes! Nice one

John Treadaway13 Feb 2016 5:46 a.m. PST

controversial?

Sure: I remember a few years ago saying I had two games I'd like to see at Salute: the Battle for Orgreve Pit using – effectively – any ancients rules that would allow roman style massed shields and (polics) cavalry charges against celtic style catapults and big sticks in a free form group OR a game centred around getting activists out of trees with cherry pickers.

The Salute coordinator (a man who I love dearly) said he thought it would be controversial and might offend some people.

That's kind of the point, I said…

John T

Reactionary14 Feb 2016 10:48 a.m. PST

Blindfolds, stress positions and white noise; ah the memories…

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