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Sparker13 Feb 2013 8:04 p.m. PST

Looking good actually – Plastic?

von pumpernickel13 Feb 2013 9:43 p.m. PST

These'll be nice for Indochina too

kyoteblue13 Feb 2013 10:10 p.m. PST

Maybe plastic and resin, I'll most likely get the Gamemodels, only 5 buck a piece.

Etranger13 Feb 2013 10:55 p.m. PST

Very nice, probably very pricy…..

von pumpernickel14 Feb 2013 3:17 a.m. PST

17GBP for 2, not particularly expensive compared to Skytrex/Old Glory

Jamesonsafari14 Feb 2013 4:37 a.m. PST

INdeed. PLus they come with some passengers!

I still have to wonder how they could cram 12-16 men in one of those… unless by '2 could carry a platoon' they mean "two could carry a heavily understrength late 1944 platoon"

well those are on my list of things to get now….

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Feb 2013 5:58 a.m. PST

Try the top photo here – they packed em in, but they are pretty big too….

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captain canada14 Feb 2013 5:59 a.m. PST

They look good. Particularly like the Posten cannon option. Water Rats scenarios coming.

VonBurge14 Feb 2013 6:10 a.m. PST

I'll most likely get the Gamemodels, only 5 buck a piece.

Probably the best option for a rare piece of kit that you may only use is some very specific scenarios. I'd want some in "swimming" mode too. However for FoW "tournaments" they make a very interesting highlight for your army display and they do seem to be very nice models. If you go to the BF site and look at them there, you'll also see that the set also as a 20mm Polsten cannon option in addition to the .50 cals. If I had a Canadian Sheldt based force I suppose I'd have to have them, but at $29 USD for the set I'm not terribly excited about the prospect of adding these to my collection and especially not looking to start new a Canadian force just to be able to employ them.

I can't say I'd expect these to be done in plastic or even have plastic parts. Seems like they'd be a low volume item which usually does not make plastic mold cost a viable option. But hey, what do I know. Watch them be all plastic now! ;)

stewart46A14 Feb 2013 9:01 a.m. PST

kyotebluer than blue
do you have a websie or game models pleas?

mdauben14 Feb 2013 11:53 a.m. PST

Interesting. I didn't realize these things saw any use outside the Pacific theater. I guess I don't know as much about the war in Europe as I thought I did!

Valator14 Feb 2013 12:32 p.m. PST
Sparker14 Feb 2013 1:49 p.m. PST

Well it was the reverse for me – Associated these with the Scheldt but the guys at the club immeadiately said 'Oh right – for the pacific!'

emckinney14 Feb 2013 5:16 p.m. PST

"Try the top photo here – they packed em in, but they are pretty big too…."

There seem to be some scale issues with the model, the figures, the weapons, or all three …

BTW, other photos seem to justify mounting two .50s on it.

Jemima Fawr15 Feb 2013 7:13 a.m. PST

The LVT-4 (Buffalo Mk IV) could carry up to THIRTY passengers and frequently did carry an understrength platoon of approx 20 blokes all by itself, including all its kit. They could also carry a Jeep or Carrier or small dozer and in Italy they even used them as self-propelled 25pdr artillery.

The 12-16 passengers is actually the descriptor for the slightly smaller LVT-2 (Buffalo Mk II), which lacked a tail-ramp.

British Buffalo IVs in NW Europe almost all had 20mm Polstens AND two .50s, plus the bow .30. The .50s would often have an armoured shield or box 'turret'. Buffalo IVs in Italy (where they were called 'Fantails') usually had 2-3 mixed .30s or.50s (as did Buffalo IIs in both theatres).

Where's this idea that they were a Canadian thing come from? FoW lists? While the Canadians did use them on occasion – mainly in the Breskens Pocket, north of the Reichswald Battle and the 1945 Netherlands campaign – it was mainly British units who used them. The Commandos used them to attack Westkapelle, while the 52nd (Lowland) Division used them to cross the Scheldt to Vlissingen and South Beveland. They were then used again in the crossings of the Rhine, Aller and Elbe, plus numerous other operations, including Lake Commacchio and the Po in Italy.

Here's a Buffalo IV fully-loaded and apparently lacking the Polsten (the only one I recall seeing without it):

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Here's a Buffalo IV (left) with Polsten and Buffalo II (right) with .50:

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tsofian15 Feb 2013 2:18 p.m. PST

This is the direct link to the Gamemodels LTVs

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They come full hull and waterline. His service is great and although he may not have museum class models they are servicable and look good on the table and paint up well. At less than half the price (even including figures) they are very much a deal.

Terry

Etranger17 Feb 2013 9:17 p.m. PST

They're also good for those of us who like a bit of French Indochina action.

emckinney18 Feb 2013 10:13 a.m. PST
emckinney18 Feb 2013 10:14 a.m. PST

They've got a Patton figure, right?

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