"Japanese School Girls???" Topic

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First remove the plank from your own eye…

My daughter is 13 and plays miniatures. The Uniform contest is is the first contest on TMP that has interested her and she plans on entering (if she gets her homework done first).

She did want to know why some the entries are "ruined" because the girls are carrying guns.

Neither she, my wife or I find anything "inappropriate" about the contest or any of the entries.

Regards, the Gorb

Ah, but that is more-or-less the point, Mr. Gorb. 13-yr.-old schoolgirls (and their uniforms!) are pefectly-appropriate fare for other 13-yr.-old schoolgirls! But it is the downright strange fascination some otherwise "adult" men seem to have with these little girls and their uniforms that is frankly disturbing to many of us here. And the many bizarre attempts to "defend" it all fall under the category of "Methinks he doth protest too much…", IMHO.

Look this is not the end of the world, and I am far from being a prude, but this is simply not something I feel is appropriate for TMP.

"And the many bizarre attempts to "defend" it all fall under the category of "Methinks he doth protest too much…", IMHO."

And with this statement you comfortably point your finger and shreik. Thats whats really scary about this. All you people can do is say that it is wrong and accuse people with an innocent interest of being something vile.

Its easy when all you have to do is call people names and point the finger. Its as easy as throwing the race card, shuts people up in a hurry and stops dialogue dead.

Some touchy people--

Sorry you see it that way, Rogcollectibles. No "shreiking" intended here, I can assure you. As I said in my final paragraph, this is "not the end of the world". I don't want to blow it all out of proportion. But I really, really find this a weird and inappropriate fixation to have, let alone to occupy TMP with.

But I really, really find this a weird and inappropriate fixation to have, let alone to occupy TMP with.

As opposed to the endless riff on Goth Chicks?

Didn't all this start with a new game called "Exploding Panties.???"

There wasn't a bus load of old overweight farts screaming for Japanese schoolgirls was there? Because if so, I missed it.

The Panty game is not for me but some like it. Who am I to judge?

The drawings are wonderful. Not because they are Japanese schools girls but rather because it is fashion and art.

Does it have a place on TMP? Who knows and who cares. I have to get back to the U.S. football game now.

End of story.

Mind your own business and move on.

The first time I saw the pics on the front page, I thought "weird", but the more I see them (every time I make one of my frequent TMP visits) I started feeling more and more annoyed with them.

For me, the problem isn't so much if it is art or anime, or if it is some sort of wargame. The images on the front page to me are:

1) embarrassing (although it is embarrassing enough at times admitting to being interested in toy soldiers, it is much more so to be percieved as being interested in schoolgirls' uniforms);

2) only vaguely related to wargaming and miniatures (and as such, maybe worthy of a place in specific discussion in the Graphic Comics discussion, but not as mainstream news on the front page).

3) weird (I don't think the images on the front page are offensive as such, but the overall concept of a competition where adults design school girls' clothing does seem …odd, even if it is all innocent).

"And the many bizarre attempts to "defend" it all fall under the category of "Methinks he doth protest too much…", IMHO."

Funny – I was thinking exactly the same thing about the people protesting it so vehemently.

"Mind your own business and move on."

I'll speak my mind on any subject posted to TMP until Bill deems that I cannot. Notice how I said "Bill" and not "Combatpainter"!

I am with Arteis – I did not notice them at first, then i did. Now they really get my goat.

Sorry, but I fail to see what Jap Schoolgirls have to do with wargaming. They have to do with men who like images of schoolgirls. Legal age or not, I don't Like that much.

but more to the point I now feel unable to read the site at work. Images of jeeps and trucks and warrors my coworkers greet with a chuckle. These images they would not.

Please Ed, make 'em go'way.

Pat

You know I lost my girlfriend because she walked by when I was reading TMP. Seeing a green bug eyed monster on the front page, she chided me in her 18 year old voice as she straightened her pleated skirt, "Man, I didnt realize what a geek you were, later…" She grabbed her hello kitty purse and walked out of my life forever. Damn you all and your green monsters!

I find the whole subject rather unsavoury and more than a little bit sad. What I find even more unsavoury are the people who are defending their right to post and look at images of Japanese School Girls.
All children are appealing, the reason for this is so that we (the adults) want to look after them, feed them, clothe them, nurture and protect them, problems start when some misguided adults misread the signals. In the course of my job in the real world, I am occasionally brought into contact with the professionals whose job it is to attempt to rebuild young lives after contact with these misguided individuals. One once said to me "I could no more convince you that it is wrong to sleep with your wife than I could convince one of them that what they do is wrong"
The argument in favour of these pictures seems to be, if I don't want to look at the pictures then I should be questioning my motives and that I'm the one with the issues.
Well as we all know attack is the best form of defence, let's muddy the water and degenerate this debate in to a mud slinging match. So come on guys lets have the real reasons that you want these pictures.
In the Panty Explosion poll 10% of those polled said that they would play the game. In recent polls 36% said they play 40K and 29% said they play Stargrunt II. I don't see design your own Space Marine Chapter or design your own Stargrunt Faction.
Panty Explosion IMO is just another RPG this time with a sensationalist title for a hook.
This competition is only drawings no ones getting hurt, however I can't help but feel some are attempting to take this sub genre to the next level. Take a look at the Griffin College for Girls or my personal "favourite" The Mop Princess, (two fetishes for the price of one!!) Take a good look guys then ask yourself "Where are we really going with this?"

Would ya'll like some cheese to go woth your whine?

If this is such a good idea, print out the pictures and proudly display them to your church going friends and your pastor. (I have a friend who is a Lutheran minister and he plays wargames. Can't see him playing Panty Explosion tho.) If you aren't willing to do that, then maybe it isn't such a good idea to be running a contest on this site like this.

I shouldn't really rise to the bait, but.
With ya'll attitude and spelling, I reckon yoos from Deliverance Country, Boy.
Drag it down son, drag it down

I adore the delete key. That woulda seen me in the Dawghouse for sure.

Pat

"If this is such a good idea, print out the pictures and proudly display them to your church going friends and your pastor"

Try having most mini sculpters and fantasy artist's in general do that very thing as well. You'd get the same result.

Or how about showing your well made minis for your game winning "Totenkopf" division…

Or your well painted "Keeper of Secrets" and "Khorne", yeah, those would go over well in church…

Or humming "The Panzer March" from Annakin's "Battle of the Bulge" and not get at least get "looks"…

I'm kind of amazed at the reaction to this whole thing!

As one of the artists in this little contest I find it funny how riled-up folks are getting. Sure the whole "schoolgirl uniform" thing is a fetish, but in this case it was done in good fun, not to be sicko.
Besides, when Carmen Electra wears a Catholic Schoolgirl outfit it's "hot" and a little wicked, when a real world shoolgirl wears one it's not, it's just cute in a not-pervy-way( kinda like kittens--and if they turn you on sexually then you need help…NOW!).
The piece I did for this contest features "Teri", and she's got to be 18 to 21 years old( and if the schoolgirls in your town look like her maybe you need to find out what they have been putting in the milk) and is toting arms not normally found, or issued, in school. She's taking "Advanced Powergun" classes. The whole milleu( thanks Syd for that word)is pure fantasy, pure contrivance!
If you think what I've drawn is pervy, then you better not visit my DeviantArt and Elfwood sites, let alone ask for my Holiday Elf card. :)

I figure if Bill & TMP really wants contriversy he could have a "Draw Mohammed" contest. And in the name of( and the battle for…) Free Speech, I'd contribute!

I dont go to church and I think it has no gauge on someones credibility except IMO many are liars, womanizers, pedophiles and hypocrits themselves!

"Take a good look guys then ask yourself "Where are we really going with this?""

We are heading on a pedophile hunt is what we are doing- over a harmless genre that has been around since I can remember and I've never ever seen it attacked like this.
This is why I object to this. Its McCarthyist. If you defend the other side, you are with the bad guys. I dont care to be labelled a pervert by the faith based traditionalists among you.

You dont understand anything of this, all you can see is the hate filled rhetoric you have been fed by some hypocrit on a pulpit or a fascisto-journalist trying to make a buck by raging about pervs and saving the kids.

Protect your own kids and let adults enjoy whatever hobbies they may that are harmless.

BTW folks wake up and listen to the song lyrics to some of your favorite classic rock or even oldies.

Again, you ask where is it going. Its a dvd going into the machine or a manga for reading by the can. Its not a conspiracy to undermine the children of the world. Its just stupid entertainment.

BTW folks wake up and listen to the song lyrics to some of your favorite classic rock or even oldies.

Better yet, watch the 'Fergalicious' music video where Fergie and her backup singers dance around in heavily-modified Girl Scout outfits.
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Regards, the Gorb

Hahahaha, "church going friends", first thing that came to my mind was The Church Lady from SNL.

And why would I care what a pastor thinks? It's just a job, might as well ask a dentist or a cab driver. Not that I would really care what they thought either.

This has been such a fun thread to read! I hope somebody comes up with a good one next week too.

I think it is just a bit wierd. Yes, I know I play with toy soldiers and build bizzare VSF contraptions, but this just creeps me out just a little bit.

No, I am not "faith based traditionalist" nor being fed by a "a fascisto-journalist." (I avoid the CA board like the plaugue, I do not attend church regularly and lean libertarian.) No, I don't think we should institute mass censorship and the gulag.

But… I think it is borderline appropriate. This is Bill's house, and I respect that, but I personally do not like it.

I would at least suggest that Bill filter the pictures using the adult content filter, so that those who have it turned on will not see the photos on the main page and avoid possible work / significant other issues.

As this is the "public square" of the hobby, I do not think it unreasonable to give folks the option.

Yup, I'm very open minded, my miniatures collection includes some 'naughty' figures. But this is Waaaay too close to the mark for me. Needs dawghousing in my opinion.

Strange behaviour, creepy.

Rogcollectibles, you are generalizing and condemning in a far worse manner than anyone so far who holds a viewpoint contrary to yours!

Personally, I am not a "faith-based" -anything, and I have not been within a long-range sighting die roll of a pulpit in a very long time!! Apart from one person's mild suggestion about showing the pics to one's "pastor", this entire discussion has not had religious overtones at all!!?? You really went off on a tangent with that diatribe, my friend.

At least Artraccoon (above) had the honesty to admit this is a "fetish" we are talking about. Nothing wrong with fetishes per se among consenting adults, IMHO. It is, rather, the simple fact that this particular "fetish" involves apparently grown men and kids in their school uniforms that many seem to find disturbing.

I've yet to read an actual explanation for the interest in these girls and their uniforms as a gaming "genre". Only lots of "leave me alone to do what I want" stuff.

Much gaming involves imagination while we are playing. For instance, while playing Napoleonics I may be imagining I am the Emperor himself (or trying to best him on a battlefield!); while playing Ancients maybe I am Alexander today, and Caesar next week; while playing an Old West RPG, maybe I am imagining my gunfighter taking on yours and winning the gunfight, etc., etc..

So enlighten the rest of us, please! Just what is it a 30-, 40-, 50- something man is "imagining" during these games? What is the "payoff"? I mean this as no condemnation. I just don't get it, and I find it inappropriate for a site like this. I hope that's clearer?

Add me to the list of those who find this ridiculous, in bad taste, and last but not least, having nothing to do with gaming.

What would Betty and Veronica think?

Bill, if you want to support pedophillia on this site, that is your perogative.

Now that's just silly.

Absolutely. And anyway, we have done this argument to death – it's Bills House and he can do what he likes. We are just visitors.

So, If Bill enjoys looking at Pictures of Japanese kindergarten age girls in uniforms (oh, and boys too) that is his right..

Pat

Guys wake up, the Japanese have invaded. No not militarily but culturally.

All this Japanese school girl thing comes from anime/manga, this is what today's kids and young adults are reading and watching today. Not all but allot of Japanese comics and animated movies have young characters, so the girls ware school uniforms. It's kind of like those high school movie from the 80's "The breakfast Club, 16 Candles, and "Fast times at Ridgemont High" (If you did not think about Phobie Cates portrayal of a high school girl in that movie you are either dead or a or a different sex).

I am just saying is that Japanese Anime today is very popular, I don't think of the Japanese school girls as sexual objects, but as characters in an RPG or Mini's game. Without the Japanese school girl miniature in uniform you would be unable to play a vast number of games representing the genre. In our wargames we have naked men on the gaming board with spears and shields, and I don't hear an uproar bout that unless they are on the front page:). You may argue that naked me with spears were historical, yes they were but School girls are staying true to the genre of Anime.

What do I personally think about the figures ect… Well I would probably not play any game involving anime, but I will defend the right of any game player to do so.

What I find worst about this topic and subject, is the censorship and elitist attitudes sometimes found among some gamers.

………………….Doug™
Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!

My reasons for attacking these so-called innocent remarks is that it is censorship derived from todays American culture of paranoia. There is a terrorist or pedophile behind every bush. I am sick of hearing about it, it is ridiculous and far from the spirit of the American way. Or what it used to be at least.

"Bill, if you want to support pedophillia on this site, that is your perogative."

Can any of you really defend or believe such nonsense? Not only that it is insulting to those of us who love and try to protect children from harm. Bill is a really good guy, I've known him thru this site for years and deserves much more credit than this!

BTW the question about what a 30 year old man is imagining during these games is none of your damn business at the very least. What are you folks imagining as your nazi armada rolls over an allied army in the games you play?
How does it really matter?

But the thing that bothers me the most is that these pictures so far have been innocent and devoid of sexual reference. Why people are reading into that I just cant see.

No, folks it doesnt matter what the old man is thinking, if he is a pervert in his own mind, I think thats part of what freedom is about. Why not worry about the real bad guys, people who are killing, raping, selling drugs. Stay out of peoples minds, its not 1984. Or have we forgotten already.
Ever heard of the thought police.

"What would Betty and Veronica think?"

Really, Bill, I dont think they even know Japanese people exist…lol.

Bad idea and bad taste. It just always seems a little perverted to me even gaming this kind of stuff.

"Stay out of peoples minds, its not 1984."

No one is in your mind except you. Some of us are just exercising our right of free speech to say that we find it distastful. There appear to be many different reasons for this, personally I am not worried about a pedophile or terrorist around every bush.

I am not suggesting censorship, this is Bill's web site and he can do as he pleases. A lot of this is a matter of taste, and personally it is not to mine.

But, just because I express my opinion does not mean anyone should hit the "CENSORSHIP" emergency button and think that anyone who doesn't like it are the thought police, wish to bring back McCarthy (as a zombie), etc.

Just as you can play Japanese school girl / Panty Explosion if you want to, I chose not to. Just because I say so does not mean I am advocating an Orwellian state.

Bill does an incredible job with this "magazine", and I had no intention of disparaging him in any way. I was simply expressing an opinion, that apparently more than a few TMP'ers agree with. The simple fact that nothing has changed on the front page I take to mean that there are far more TMP'ers who have no problem with the genre or the images.
Enough already!

Can we do Japanese School Teachers Next?

"I was simply expressing an opinion"

So were we who supported you.

"The simple fact that nothing has changed on the front page I take to mean that there are far more TMP'ers who have no problem with the genre or the images."

No, it means that the decision to have the offending items removed or kept in place belongs to the site owner, no matter how many people voice their approval or disapproval of said items. The site owner has decided that the items will stay.

Can we do Japanese School Teachers Next?

Sure, why not?:
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Regards, the Gorb

Are you offended by pictures of bloodletting demons? Zombies eating their entrails? Gestapo officers and SS soldiers? Naked barbarians (male/female)?

Today I have to feel guilty to watch kids play at the playground. *THAT* I find offensive and obscene.

Cute stuff Gorb. I havent been to that site in a while.

Nicely said Area 23

I might be wrong, but has one of the entries disappeared? The one with the latex bra? Why, if this is an o.k. thing, would it be taken out of the competition?

It's a shame, but we have been conditioned to feel guilty (or assign guilt) for harmless acts.

I have a daughter. It's OK for me to look at my teen-age daughter and say "Isn't she cute". But God forbid I should say the same about anyone else!

It's OK for an eighty year-old man to sit on a park bench and see a young woman and whistfully recall, "…When I was that age…" However if the man is fifty, it's perverted.

It's a crazy, topsy-turvy culture in which we live.

No wait, that just makes it sound harmless. Start again:

The world we live in is demented and sick! When people can't look at a cartoon of a youngster and just "that's cute" without be riddled with pangs of guilt and self-loathing the world has taken a head-long plunge over the deep end.

And that's what this thread is really about. It has long since ceased being about the pictures and the contest, it has become a fight to resist corruption of our basic humanity.

It's about the resistance to those that would have us all turn into self-despising flagellants for seeing a cartoon girl in a cute uniform and seeing--well, according to them, something more than a cartoon girl in a cute uniform. It's about the resistance to those who are all too ready to 'cleanse' the world of words and images that might, in their "expert" opinion, provoke a stray unclean thought or two.

Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." In this case he might've said "Sometimes a cartoon is just a cartoon."

This one made me laugh:

"Why, if this is an o.k. thing, would it be taken out of the competition?"

I guess I have to ask if this thing is NOT ok, why are you looking at the pictures? I can only assume that you're sacrificing yourself by looking at those lurid pictures so that you can save the rest of us from their soul-eating influence.

(BTW, Bill explained that on the front page. The drawing was not original so it was disqualified--so much for your latex bra theory.)

Gorb! Man, thanks for that site. Way cool papers there. And Mizuho is my fave too!! Thanks again.

The main problem is so many things we considered in the past to be harmless have been co-opted by the less savory elements of our society. I received an email ad from a wargames company I do business with. I was just getting into Samurai wargaming and learning the ropes. The email invited me to examine their Hentai. I bit. Sounded right. Clicked the link. I was immediately treated to Japanese school girls in various positions and states of not wearing the uniform properly. Apparently my address book had been hi-jacked.
So now I associate Japanese School Girl uniforms with "Horny Hentai" (never again to be confused with anything to do with Samurai).

My local wargames shop sells anime and manga (I have no idea what the difference is) and keeps some of them behind the counter for "adult" buyers only. Many of them seem to involve Japanese School Girls of the Hentai school. It keeps him in business he tells me.

For me, I connect the Japanese School Girl with pornography, and pedophilic pornography at that. For one thing the artwork in the style I commonly associate with these things in no way resemble Asians. They look much like big-eyed small children. (Research done years ago on why small children are "cute" found it was the eyes. The eyeball is the only part of the anatomy that never grows. Your eye is as large as it was when you were born. And the big-eyed look triggers a maternal instinct in people. In pedophiles it triggers a level of lust which is why many assaults are against children under the age of 5). So to find it on the front page of TMP was a bit jarring.

There have been many arguements over the years as to what a "wargame" is. The hobby has divided itself along many different lines, from the "historical" to "fantasy" to "RPG'ers" to "Boardgamers" and as the hobby progresses the lines have often blurred between the divisions. Perhaps "Panty Explosion" fits in there somewhere. I certainly wouldn't own or play it, nor would I, as an organizer, allow it at a convention.

I have no doubt that if a poll were conducted on the age of the people objecting to the contest and those supporting it we would find it breaks along generational lines. There may also be a break along religious lines, I suspect that would be so.

I am young, and anti-religious. But I buck the trend. Don't like it at all.

The Latex Bra image was removed 'cos it was a not an original. The sketch of kindergarten children is still there. I can only assume they are HIGH-SCHOOL Kindergarten children, so that's ok.

Pat

Nick Nascati 09 Dec 2006 3:08 p.m. PST
Guys,
My wife happened to walk past the computer when I went to TMP earlier, and it really was difficult trying to explain why there are pictures of school girls on a wargame website!

Sorry Nick your problem is more then postings on TMP. If your wife is walking by your computer:

1. You do not hide your hobby well

2. She does not trust you, which leads to other issues

3. You have some "issues" that YOU need to address not her.

VR
James Mattes