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Cacique Caribe01 Aug 2006 11:48 a.m. PST

I am slowly thinking of a gaming scenario like this:

1) Before Mars loses its atmosphere (and bodies of water), MEMA (the Martian Emergency Management Agency – no jokes, please) sends an expedition to an area of Earth where they will encounter the least contact from developing cultures: Antarctica.

2) Furthermore, a network of stargates (I will need an alternate, IP-safe name for it eventually) is built to maintain contact with the Martian homeworld and other outposts in the solar system. Contact is inevitably made with reptilian sentients on Earth.

3) KT asteroid hits and eliminates the potential for reptilian sentients, but opens the road to mammalian sentients. The Antarctica colony barely survives, and contact with any other Martian outpost in the solar system ends.

4) As hominids develop, so do the Earth-Martians (expanding their tunnel networks in the southern continent.

My questions are these:

A) When did Mars lose its atmosphere and bodies of water?
B) When, in human history, would it be best for humans to discover this colony/outpost under the ice: WWII, now or near future?

Thanks.

CC
PS. These are some of the threads that got me thinking about this convoluted plot:
TMP link
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Fiendish Sock Puppet01 Aug 2006 11:53 a.m. PST

Out of curiosity, do we in fact know (as much as these things can be known) that Mars once had oceans, or is that just something that SF writers like to assume?

TheRymer01 Aug 2006 12:10 p.m. PST

link

It says that there is conclusive evidence that liquid existed on Mars…

Cacique Caribe01 Aug 2006 12:10 p.m. PST

I like the idea of oceans. However, this was reported on BBC:
link

CC

TheRymer01 Aug 2006 12:31 p.m. PST

Oh well, I wouldn't worry if your talking about stargates and little green men why can't you have great big oceans…

Doc Perverticus01 Aug 2006 12:49 p.m. PST

…alternate name for your pseudo-stargate…. call it an ASTRO-VALVE!! ( it has a certain Majesty, don't you think? )

Fiendish Sock Puppet01 Aug 2006 1:55 p.m. PST

Or an astral sphincter?

Hmm…

JimSelzer01 Aug 2006 2:05 p.m. PST

I would use Nexus or Portal. Maybe Sungate or Planetgate not stargate because after all you are only going from 1 planetary body to another in the same system.

Nero Craft01 Aug 2006 2:22 p.m. PST

I think in Gurps: Steamtech, they mention an idea about specially modified airships using special gravity points at the poles "jumping" from world to world.

I always thought it was a neat idea.

mandt201 Aug 2006 3:20 p.m. PST

Since the Martians in this scenario are such good tunnelers, when Mars actually lost its surface water or atmosphere isn't all that important.

Perhaps they have been living a subterranean existance for centuries, even eons. They might live just below the surface, sort of like Hobbits, scanning the heavens with their surface telescopes while major cities thrived just meters below, powered by energy tapped from the Martian core. All the water they needed has been derived by melting the polar ice caps from below.

Then something went terribly wrong. For 1000s of years, the Martians have been carefully monitoring the size of their ice cap. It would go through periods of growth and shrinkage, in a series of delicate cycles. But, after the most recent cycle of shrinkage, instead of recovering the cap continued to shrink, and in the year [1906], Martian scientists calculated that their polar cap, the life blood of Martian civilization, had passed a tipping point. It would not recover, and it would continue to shrink.

As the cap got smaller, there was less ice surface area to reflect the sun, and so the sun's rays were absorbed into the planet, making it warmer, causing the cap's shrinkage to accelerate in a now irreversable death spiral. Martian civilization was doomed. Why this had happened was never fully understood. Perhaps changes in the amount of energy from the sun, or perhaps the effects of Martian industry had a small but meaningful impact on the planet's temperature. It no longer mannered. What did matter was that Mars was dying, and so would the Martians if they could not find a solution.

Still, there was time — perhaps maybe 150 years or more before the cap would disappear altogether. So it was, that in [1929] their great and inspiring leader Ydennek rallied the Martians to the cause. "It is our goal that by the year [2006], we will put Martians on the [Earth]." Martian scientists and industry rose to the challenge, and made much progress.

But five years later, they made a disturbing discovery. The Martians always knew there was water and plant life on Earth. They could see that much with their powerful telescopes, and without hindrance of a thick atmosphere. However, as they pushed above the surface and begain scanning their blue neighbor with more sophisticated equipment, they detected signals and signs that the inhabitants of earth were not only intelligent, but also, though they could not be certain, possibly belligerant.

Still, the Martians had no choice. They had to proceed. So they devised a plan. They would send ahead a small group of Martians to scout out their new home, and to pave the way for the waves of Martian refugees. The Earth's south pole (Antarctica) was the perfect location for such an outpost. The climate was just like home, even warm by Martian standards, and there was a huge ice sheet through which they could tunnel, which was situated over a solid landmass for stability, and down through which they could use their laser borers to tap into the Earth's core for all the energy they would need.

And so, in [1951] three dozen Martian scout/colony ships set out. The journey took over a year, and the Martians had little experience in interplanetary travel. As a consequence, few ships actually made it to their destination. Many were lost soon after launch and many failed during the transit. When the fleet reached earth, there were only seven ships left. Two of these burned up in the Earth's thick atmosphere. Two more suffered mechanical failure and crashed, one in the largest body of water on the planet, and the other some 2000 miles to the east, in a mountainous desert area. Niether could be recovered.

The last three ships were successful. They landed near each other in the planned location. Within minutes, the intense heat of their outer shells melted a new home for them through a hundred feet of ice.

The crews begain tunneling, and soon a small, subterrainean, interlocking complex was built. The Martian geologist started the laser core driller. The Martian geneticist placed the embyos they had carried for millions of miles into the incubators. The mission commander transmitted the first of many short, encoded messages. He received no answer. He knew there would be none. The next friendly communication the scouts would receive, would be from the fleet, when it had arrived. It did not matter. He had his orders.

Cacique Caribe01 Aug 2006 4:35 p.m. PST

I am in awe! That is fantastic.

CC
PS. Martian Hobbits!

Cacique Caribe01 Aug 2006 4:46 p.m. PST

In your opinion, what would highly evolved ice-cave/tunnel-digging Martians look like?

CC

Jakar Nilson01 Aug 2006 6:32 p.m. PST

This?

picture

Hey, if they're here for the athmosphere…

mandt202 Aug 2006 5:16 a.m. PST

CC-

It was wierd. Your post got me goin' and it all just barfed out in a few minutes. It was fun. :)

Dunno what they would look like, but I don't think they need to look like they are tunnelers any more than NY, DC, and Londoner subway riders look like they tunnel.

I gotta think about it.

Cacique Caribe03 Aug 2006 2:39 p.m. PST

Mandt2,

"It was wierd. Your post got me goin' and it all just barfed out in a few minutes. It was fun. :)"

It was weird for me too. I could not stop reading, knowing (and dreading) all the while that it would end too soon.

Fantastic narrative.

CC

Personal logo Rebel Minis Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Aug 2006 6:21 a.m. PST

Mandt2,

That was awesome!

RebelMike

Covert Walrus04 Aug 2006 9:51 p.m. PST

Mandt2, a laurel and hearty handshake for that work, my friend.:)

Of course, if Mars had oceas, they would have photodisassociated inot oxygen and hydrogen depending on tehory either during the Carboniferous or Triassic periods of Earth, so a colony coming here would have arrived in a very different world, depending on the time period; Whole continents would have moved under them by now.

mandt206 Aug 2006 6:04 p.m. PST

Thanks fellas. I read a lot of Sci Fi comics when I was a pup. ;)

I'll give some thought as to where we can take this.

Cacique Caribe08 Aug 2006 7:57 a.m. PST

I can't wait to see "where we can take this".

CC

Cacique Caribe11 Dec 2007 2:09 a.m. PST

Mandt2

Have you given any more thought to that story line of yours?

CC

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