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24 Mar 2006 6:12 a.m. PST
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  • Changed title from "...so does" to "...so does? (Medieval Ships)"


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Chthoniid Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 2:38 a.m. PST

anyone actually manufacture an appropriate range of galleys (and ships) for the medieval period? Most manufacturers I'm aware of, kind of jump from the ancient period to the renaissance.

…Nothing for the Sicilan Vespers, no Spanish and Genoese versus the Moors, nor Crusaders versus Saracens…

Chthonic regards

B

Delete my account Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 5:40 a.m. PST

Well maybe Eric Stolz will do something in the future…

Check the thread about his roman pdf models, they're awesome!

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 5:42 a.m. PST

There are some cogs on the market. Navwar possibly?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2006 6:25 a.m. PST

Try Flagship games. I don't really like their larger ships for Pirates, and always thought they were better for Medieval.

Personal logo Miniatureships Sponsoring Member of TMP Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 6:38 a.m. PST

Merrimack Miniatures has ships in 15mm for Medievel in their cog wars line – and 25mm. Merrimack also has Byz. ships in 15mm in their Dragon Wars line of ships. If you are thinking ships, check out Merrimack Miniatures the Old Glory Shipyard, as we have a large number (and growing) number of ships in various periods from 1/300 scale to 25mm scale. Plus, we will start listing on TMP the newer ships that were released at at Cold Wars this year, when we get back to Minnesota.

Joel
Merrimackminiatures.com

Personal logo Lentulus Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 9:44 a.m. PST

"to the renaissance"

Worse, to bloody Lepanto and the Armada, like the 1st half of the 16th century didn't exist.

And nobody does galley oars "a la sensale" (I am away from by books, and with-accents keyboard so Italian speakers please take pity, I have probably spelled that wrong).

RockyRusso Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 11:14 a.m. PST

Hi

Someone did a small line 25 or so years ago. I have some, and for the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the company. They also had renaissance stuff, and I did a mass purchchase. "Valiant?" I just do not remember. Nice looking boats though.

Rocky

artslave Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 11:33 a.m. PST

One of the major hang-ups to modelling this era is the lack of archeological finds. There is just not much to go on. The few "cogs" and "neff" sites offer conflicting evidence. The art sources are not that helpfull, either. I have sratch-built ships in this era with the info I can gather. You can see the results in a thread that Dervel and I put up in the Medieval Board.

Chthoniid Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 12:04 p.m. PST

Thanks for the responses-

I should qualify my question. I'm hoping to employ fleets of 20-50 ships (to reflect battles in this era), so was tentatively looking at 1/600 to 1/1200 scale.

The challenge is that some manufacturers make some ships (Outpost I know, does a 1/1200 range of cogs), but fleets in the Mediterranean mixed roundships with galleys and barges (e.g. tarides). I don't want any gaps…

Chthonic appreciation

B

Chthoniid Inactive Member24 Mar 2006 12:32 p.m. PST

@Rocky

Someone did a small line 25 or so years ago. …They also had renaissance stuff, and I did a mass purchchase. "Valiant?" I just do not remember. Nice looking boats though.

Valiant does a nice range of ships, but they also suffer from the 'leap' from the ancient period to the renaissance, neatly avoiding the medieval period completely…

Chthonic regards

B

camelspider Inactive Member25 Mar 2006 7:51 a.m. PST

Brendan, doesn't Outpost make medieval ships?

RockyRusso Inactive Member25 Mar 2006 11:23 a.m. PST

Hi Cth.

I was GUESSING Valiant. I just do not remember. I do have the boats tho. Sensille italian "triremes" and the roundships. But there were earlier boats that I thought were based on some of the data in the FGU naval rules that attempted to cover everything, including the gap (and the changing names of the Byzzies in the period), Thinking about it, I seem to remember the Valiants were 900 and these are clearly 1200. In the day, they didn't sell and I bought the whole mess for a song. And haven't worried about it sense. Wrote a variant on the "Heart of Oak" rules to cover it, and another set of "transition" for fighting boarding actions with boat top views and 25s on a separate table.

I was hoping someone else's aged memory would be toggled and they would remember the actual NAME.

Rocky

Chthoniid Inactive Member25 Mar 2006 2:12 p.m. PST

Hi Larry

Brendan, doesn't Outpost make medieval ships?

Only the cogs.
I want the galleys and barges also.

It seems to be a bit of a mission impossible for the medieval period.

Chthonic regards

B

Personal logo Lentulus Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member25 Mar 2006 7:30 p.m. PST

This is not an impossible period to scratch-build from balsa and paper.

Chthoniid Inactive Member27 Mar 2006 4:14 p.m. PST

@Secret Identity
This is not an impossible period to scratch-build from balsa and paper.

It is not physically impossible, but with less than an hour per night to devote on all things wargaming, very much a plan B, or C (hell, it's plan Z).

Chthonic regards

B

CooperSteveatWork Inactive Member28 Mar 2006 10:41 a.m. PST

"The few "cogs" and "neff" sites offer conflicting evidence."

The Bremen cog is practically complete, pretty safe bet to go with that!

John Edmundson14 Nov 2018 12:42 a.m. PST

Resurrecting an ancient thread here, because I suspect the same issue still exists. I'd quite like some 1/600 (or similarly small to mid-scale) galleys to complement my early 11th Century AD Andalusian and North African Berber armies.

Does anyone now make medieval ships (c900AD-c1300AD)? I still haven't been able to find any.

Cheers,
John

Come In Nighthawk18 Nov 2018 6:56 a.m. PST

Who is Eric Stoltz, and are his ships really "pdf" (you mean printed on paper?)?

Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2018 8:04 p.m. PST

I am not aware of any Medieval ships of any kind in 1/600.

The Navwar 1/1200 Ancient Galleys page lists Viking longships, Saxon longships, and two sizes of Byzantine Dromons. These are physically quite small. There are also two sizes of cog in the 1/1200 Renaissance Vessels range.

Langton's 1/1200 Renaissance line includes some non-galley types that might look appropriate in a Medieval context (especially dhows). Again, though, these are pretty small.

- Ix

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