"...so does? (Medieval Ships)" Topic

anyone actually manufacture an appropriate range of galleys (and ships) for the medieval period? Most manufacturers I'm aware of, kind of jump from the ancient period to the renaissance.

…Nothing for the Sicilan Vespers, no Spanish and Genoese versus the Moors, nor Crusaders versus Saracens…

Chthonic regards

B

Well maybe Eric Stolz will do something in the future…

Check the thread about his roman pdf models, they're awesome!

There are some cogs on the market. Navwar possibly?

Try Flagship games. I don't really like their larger ships for Pirates, and always thought they were better for Medieval.

Merrimack Miniatures has ships in 15mm for Medievel in their cog wars line – and 25mm. Merrimack also has Byz. ships in 15mm in their Dragon Wars line of ships. If you are thinking ships, check out Merrimack Miniatures the Old Glory Shipyard, as we have a large number (and growing) number of ships in various periods from 1/300 scale to 25mm scale. Plus, we will start listing on TMP the newer ships that were released at at Cold Wars this year, when we get back to Minnesota.

Joel
Merrimackminiatures.com

"to the renaissance"

Worse, to bloody Lepanto and the Armada, like the 1st half of the 16th century didn't exist.

And nobody does galley oars "a la sensale" (I am away from by books, and with-accents keyboard so Italian speakers please take pity, I have probably spelled that wrong).

Hi

Someone did a small line 25 or so years ago. I have some, and for the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the company. They also had renaissance stuff, and I did a mass purchchase. "Valiant?" I just do not remember. Nice looking boats though.

Rocky

One of the major hang-ups to modelling this era is the lack of archeological finds. There is just not much to go on. The few "cogs" and "neff" sites offer conflicting evidence. The art sources are not that helpfull, either. I have sratch-built ships in this era with the info I can gather. You can see the results in a thread that Dervel and I put up in the Medieval Board.

Thanks for the responses-

I should qualify my question. I'm hoping to employ fleets of 20-50 ships (to reflect battles in this era), so was tentatively looking at 1/600 to 1/1200 scale.

The challenge is that some manufacturers make some ships (Outpost I know, does a 1/1200 range of cogs), but fleets in the Mediterranean mixed roundships with galleys and barges (e.g. tarides). I don't want any gaps…

Chthonic appreciation

B

@Rocky

Someone did a small line 25 or so years ago. …They also had renaissance stuff, and I did a mass purchchase. "Valiant?" I just do not remember. Nice looking boats though.

Valiant does a nice range of ships, but they also suffer from the 'leap' from the ancient period to the renaissance, neatly avoiding the medieval period completely…

Chthonic regards

B

Brendan, doesn't Outpost make medieval ships?

Hi Cth.

I was GUESSING Valiant. I just do not remember. I do have the boats tho. Sensille italian "triremes" and the roundships. But there were earlier boats that I thought were based on some of the data in the FGU naval rules that attempted to cover everything, including the gap (and the changing names of the Byzzies in the period), Thinking about it, I seem to remember the Valiants were 900 and these are clearly 1200. In the day, they didn't sell and I bought the whole mess for a song. And haven't worried about it sense. Wrote a variant on the "Heart of Oak" rules to cover it, and another set of "transition" for fighting boarding actions with boat top views and 25s on a separate table.

I was hoping someone else's aged memory would be toggled and they would remember the actual NAME.

Rocky

Hi Larry

Brendan, doesn't Outpost make medieval ships?

Only the cogs.
I want the galleys and barges also.

It seems to be a bit of a mission impossible for the medieval period.

Chthonic regards

B

This is not an impossible period to scratch-build from balsa and paper.

@Secret Identity
This is not an impossible period to scratch-build from balsa and paper.

It is not physically impossible, but with less than an hour per night to devote on all things wargaming, very much a plan B, or C (hell, it's plan Z).

Chthonic regards

B

"The few "cogs" and "neff" sites offer conflicting evidence."

The Bremen cog is practically complete, pretty safe bet to go with that!

Resurrecting an ancient thread here, because I suspect the same issue still exists. I'd quite like some 1/600 (or similarly small to mid-scale) galleys to complement my early 11th Century AD Andalusian and North African Berber armies.

Does anyone now make medieval ships (c900AD-c1300AD)? I still haven't been able to find any.

Cheers,
John

Who is Eric Stoltz, and are his ships really "pdf" (you mean printed on paper?)?

I am not aware of any Medieval ships of any kind in 1/600.

The Navwar 1/1200 Ancient Galleys page lists Viking longships, Saxon longships, and two sizes of Byzantine Dromons. These are physically quite small. There are also two sizes of cog in the 1/1200 Renaissance Vessels range.

Langton's 1/1200 Renaissance line includes some non-galley types that might look appropriate in a Medieval context (especially dhows). Again, though, these are pretty small.

- Ix