| Cacique Caribe | 22 Jan 2006 2:26 p.m. PST |
Has anyone tried to convert miniatures to fit the Europeans "gone native" illustrated in Ian Heath's "Armies of the Sixteenth Century" (bearded, with loin cloths or rags and some European gear)? Or, better yet, are there any figures already made that would fit the bill? Thanks. CC |
| Lowtardog | 22 Jan 2006 3:22 p.m. PST |
Ben Gun is the only figure I can think of though you are probably looking at head swaps. Mountain men such as A man called horse is the only other type of European gone wild I can think of but that is 19th C |
| crhkrebs | 22 Jan 2006 7:20 p.m. PST |
The best story revolves about a sailor with Hernandez de Cordoba, but his name escapes me. He was captured by the Yucatan Maya in 1517. He lived with the Maya, married a princess and eventually became a leader. He ended up fighting against de Montejo's conquest of 1526-1535 and succeeded in pushing the invaders out (temporarily). Ralph |
| Roberto Cofresi | 22 Jan 2006 8:32 p.m. PST |
ralph, long before "Dances with Wolves":
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| Roberto Cofresi | 22 Jan 2006 8:40 p.m. PST |
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| Chronofus | 23 Jan 2006 1:20 a.m. PST |
Actually, some natives gone Spanish, particularly after the Sad Night episode, where the hoi poloi of Aztec society kitted themselves out in the looted material, would also be fun, if somewhat obscure as an item. I quite liked thier idea of fitting swords onto poles to form a sort of pole-arm, presumably targeted at the horsemen. |
| crhkrebs | 23 Jan 2006 1:38 p.m. PST |
Good Info Roberto, By the way that statue, from your link, is it from The Akumel area of the Mayan Riviera? I think I stood in front of it once. Ralph |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Jan 2006 2:14 p.m. PST |
If it is the same one shown here, it is listed as Akumal:
link CC |
| crhkrebs | 23 Jan 2006 4:58 p.m. PST |
Nice to know something survived from that drunken tequila stupor! Yes I stood in front of that statue. It's funny as it states that he was the originator of the Mestizo race. Race? That's stretching the definition a bit isn't it? Anyways it is a great story.Thanks everyone for jogging the old brain cells. Ralph |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Jan 2006 5:04 p.m. PST |
"Race? That's stretching the definition a bit isn't it?" LOL! Ralph, don't get me started on that "La Raza" claim! CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Jan 2006 5:10 p.m. PST |
Ok. You got me started now . . . If Gonzalos' children (presumably the first mestizos) were born between 1511 and 1519, I guess the Spanish never fathered any children whatsoever, in any of their even earlier Caribbean territories, from 1492 to 1511! CC |
| crhkrebs | 24 Jan 2006 10:08 a.m. PST |
Didn't even think about that, but you are totally correct CC. I know Columbus's men brought back a particularily virulent strain of Syphilis to Europe. Maybe they weren't messing around with the local ladies, and they caught that from the ice cubes in their Pina Coladas! :^) Ralph |
| Cacique Caribe | 25 Jan 2006 4:02 p.m. PST |
Chronofus, On the Natives gone Spanish route, here is another possibility: there are reports of post-Atahualpa Incas using pike when fighting Spanish and when supporting Spanish rebels, as well as tribes from the South American pampas resisting Spanish cavalry on the plains using impressive pike formations. Ian Heath's "Armies of the Sixteenth Century" has some really nice pictures. CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 25 Jan 2006 4:25 p.m. PST |
Here are also some links on pikes used by natives: link
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(click on Inca) This is another interesting site by PBS:
link CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 29 Jan 2006 4:05 p.m. PST |
My French Huguenots "gone native" are almost finished. All I need now is to add powder "horns" (can't think of the term right now) and shoulder bags. Any suggestions? CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 29 Jan 2006 11:39 p.m. PST |
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| crhkrebs | 30 Jan 2006 12:36 p.m. PST |
You have to hand it to CC. He always comes up with the coolest links! Wargaming the Conquest of the Caribbean is as difficult as wargaming Mesoamerica. Good to see some inventiveness here. Otherwise it is a boring retread of history where the Conquistadors steamroll over everyone. Ralph |
| Cacique Caribe | 30 Jan 2006 12:54 p.m. PST |
Hey Ralph, What do you think of my new icon and portrait? Do you think it might be too much of a contradiction? CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 31 Jan 2006 1:51 p.m. PST |
For those who want to game with figures of CIMARRONES, I have just added a photo to the Practical Soldier albums: link They are apparently Foundry "El Dorado Afro-Caribbean Renegades", not listed on the web site but are available if requested by phone. Hope this helps. CC |
| Rich Knapton | 31 Jan 2006 5:15 p.m. PST |
From the size of the cod pieces, those bowmen in the center must be Landsknecht bowmen. Rich |
| Cacique Caribe | 02 Feb 2006 2:20 p.m. PST |
Maybe they stole them from the Alfinger, Von Speyer and Federmann expedition:
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CC |
| CooperSteveatWork | 19 Feb 2006 10:09 a.m. PST |
GLADIATOR have a Tudor European wearing a headdress in their Tupi range. But he's 15mm |
| Cacique Caribe | 08 Nov 2008 10:30 a.m. PST |
I love how this Eureka range is looking: link Must have one of each, at least! CC |
| Lowtardog | 08 Nov 2008 4:16 p.m. PST |
CC, I picked up 2 of each to these they are ideal for Europeans gone native or for Mamelucos etc they will form a slaver unit for smaller scenarios against my Brazilian indians |
paints brigs for the British fleet.