 piper909  | 03 Jan 2006 12:57 p.m. PST |
I'm going to be raising and painting some units of the Brunswick corps but I am at a loss to figure out why reference books disagree on the facing colors — the cuffs, specifically — of the Brunswick Leib and line/light infantry. Was the regimental facing color used on the cuffs, or were cuffs left black? Why are there so many contradictory illustrations? I see colored cuffs (to match the collars) some places, black cuffs elsewhere. Can anyone explain and set me straight? |
| Rudysnelson | 03 Jan 2006 2:04 p.m. PST |
For 1815, Each unit was a Bn with a seperate facing color. Cuffs and collars had facings of Line = white , red, green, Lieb Bn = lgt blue; Lgt Bns buff later pink, yellow and orange. I think the Advant Gde Bn had green facing on gray uniforms but I may be wrong. the five reserve Bns I will have to look for them. |
| piper909 | 03 Jan 2006 2:13 p.m. PST |
Thank you — but was the facing color displayed on the collar only, or also the cuffs? |
| donlowry | 03 Jan 2006 2:16 p.m. PST |
Also speaking of 1815 (peninsular uniforms were different): The Avant-Garde wore 2 different kinds of uniforms: 2 companies (jagers) wore mdm gray with grass-green facings, including pointed cuffs. The other 2 companies (lt. inf.) wore black uniforms with dark green facings, including cuffs. The other infantry battalions wore facing colors on the collars, shoulder straps and a stripe down each leg, but NOT on the cuffs (those were black). The facing colors were: Lieb light blue; 1st Line red; 2nd Line green; 3rd Line white; 1st Light pink; 2nd Light yellow; 3rd Light orange. Cavalry facings (both hussars and uhlans) were light blue, including pointed cuffs. They make a very natty corps. What company's figures are you using? (My Brunswickers are Nasmith). |
| Rudysnelson | 03 Jan 2006 3:20 p.m. PST |
Don is correct. The pants stripe in facing color is the neatest thing to paint. Also as he said the cuffes were black. The Napoleonic Source book also indicates that some unit (maybe my guess Reserve units) wore the Russian Kiwer in 1815. |
| piper909 | 03 Jan 2006 4:08 p.m. PST |
Thanks to you both, Don & Rudy. My uncertainty stems in part from the books "Regiments at Waterloo" (Rene North) and "Uniforms of the Napoleonic Wars" (Jack cassin-Scott), both of which depict the facing colors on the cuff (and Cassin-Scott also shows the jager in a green uniform with red facings and the "infantry private" in the long "polrock" coat). For metal, in 25mm, I still have some MiniFigs figures from the 1980s, in polrocks (but am curious to see the Naismith figures) but at the moment, my gang is going to start Napoleonic gaming using 20mm plastic figures, and only HaT makes Brunswicker infantry (Avant Garde and Lieb figures) — I'm going to have to convert others for the cavalry and artillery. I think they will make a pleasing visual change of pace for a Nappy tabletop, and be relatively simple to paint to boot. |
| Jemima Fawr | 03 Jan 2006 10:37 p.m. PST |
Piper – the uniforms you mention from the Cassin-Scott book are for the 'Black Corps' from 1809, which performed an epic march from Austria to the Westphalian coast. these uniforms are not applicable for 1815. Similarly, you might find Brunswick uniforms for the Peninsular, which were different again in many respects. Cheers, Mark |
| astronomican | 04 Jan 2006 5:29 a.m. PST |
Although in French, this site gives details of the Brunwickers' uniform in 1815 : link |
| andygamer | 04 Jan 2006 6:36 a.m. PST |
And here's a brief history of the Brunswickers in 1809 (when the line infantry wore the long coat) and about them in the Peninsular War (when the line infantry wore the uniform like the Leib guard at Waterloo):
hat.com/Othr/Bruns.html |
| zipperdyrms | 04 Jan 2006 11:40 a.m. PST |
Try here if you will braunschweiger-feldkorps.de Then select Geschichte on the left hand side and the Historische Bilder. The text is in German but luckily the photos are in English! |
| donlowry | 04 Jan 2006 3:46 p.m. PST |
My info comes from Haythornthwaite's Uniforms of Waterloo in Color and also from here: picture |
| piper909 | 06 Jan 2006 11:51 a.m. PST |
This is all great, great stuff, and shows what a valuable resource TMP is — there's always an old grognard ready to step up and provide detailed, specific information when you need assistance. Thanks again, everyone! I have a friend in Hamburg who can help me with some translations from the German where necessary. |
| donlowry | 06 Jan 2006 2:09 p.m. PST |
Hey, everybody! I'm an old grognard! |
| Festus | 07 Jan 2006 12:45 p.m. PST |
Hi "the 'Black Corps' from 1809, which performed an epic march from Austria to the Westphalian coast" Where did you learn your geography? ;) The Black Band marched from Saxony (being recently kitted out by Austria, though), to the Coast of today's Lower Saxony.
Westphalia doesn't have a coast of itself, I can assure you :) Greetings
Festus |
| donlowry | 07 Jan 2006 3:43 p.m. PST |
>"Westphalia doesn't have a coast of itself, I can assure you"< Maybe it used to but it got washed away? |
| zipperdyrms | 07 Jan 2006 4:00 p.m. PST |
Perhaps the westphalian coast was designated by beach towels put over 19th century deck chairs before dawn, nicht war? |
| pilum40 | 03 Mar 2013 5:37 p.m. PST |
This is why I truly like TMP….2013 and I can still get the info I need to paint my Brunswickers correctly….thanks to all!!! Steve Miller
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| altfritz | 17 Mar 2013 9:01 a.m. PST |
Like the cross-posting! Conventions and renaissance! Way to cover the bases! :-P |
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