| dsfrank | 29 Dec 2005 2:12 p.m. PST |
I heard tell awhile back (before the Western Rules were published)that the Warhammer Historicals crew were planning to publish a set of WWII rules – no word about it on their site – anyone know if its the truth or just a rumor & any idea of the release date? |
| nazrat | 29 Dec 2005 2:27 p.m. PST |
It seems to be the truth and will be out in the near future. It's called Firefight, I think. |
| Grinning Norm | 29 Dec 2005 2:33 p.m. PST |
Love how some people talk about WAB WW2. Yup. very ancient. |
| jizbrand | 29 Dec 2005 2:52 p.m. PST |
Um, I must have missed it. Where is the reference to WAB WW@? |
| jizbrand | 29 Dec 2005 2:52 p.m. PST |
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| GypsyComet | 29 Dec 2005 3:12 p.m. PST |
Those references are all pretty old at this point. The Warhammer Historicals brand covers WAB, WH-ECW, LotOW (Old West), and WarMaster Ancients. Because they aren't tied into the GW Marketing Engine, the Historicals folks release books in something closer to the standard the rest of the industry uses: the "when it's done" standard. Silly, I know. They were estimating Nov 2004 for this, but instead we got Hannibal for WAB. I know which of the two *I* was more interested in… |
| Grinning Norm | 29 Dec 2005 4:36 p.m. PST |
jizbrand – There are some people which see WAB as *the* historical variant of Warhammer, and thus call the WW2 variant on the Warhammer system automatically WAB WW2. |
| Gecoren | 29 Dec 2005 4:36 p.m. PST |
I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer, nothing like LOTOW or 40K from what I was shown. The release date is unset at present, but it will be worth waiting for. "Because they aren't tied into the GW Marketing Engine, the Historicals folks release books in something closer to the standard the rest of the industry uses: the "when it's done" standard. Silly, I know." Which can only be a good thing IMHO. More time to playtest it and get 'it' right. :-) Regards, Guy |
| Wargamer Blue | 29 Dec 2005 5:50 p.m. PST |
I am really looking forward to Firefight (if thats the right name). I have been tempted to get into 28mm WWII for sometime and this may push me that way. |
aecurtis  | 29 Dec 2005 8:09 p.m. PST |
"They were estimating Nov 2004 for this, but instead we got Hannibal for WAB. I know which of the two *I* was more interested in…" I know which one *I'm* glad is done. Myself, I've never heard or seen anyone refer to "WAB WW2".
That would be silly. Allen |
| Jedispice | 30 Dec 2005 12:30 a.m. PST |
Well, Warhammer Historicals are working on something they call "Firefight", which is supposed to be WW2, but not based on Warhammer. I guess WAB WW2 is easier to say so people call it that. |
| GypsyComet | 30 Dec 2005 1:31 a.m. PST |
>>Well, Warhammer Historicals are working on something they call "Firefight", which is supposed to be WW2, but not based on Warhammer.<< I'd have to chase it down, but "not based on Warhammer" could still include being based on Necromunda (for example), based on the way I've heard some people completely divorce the two. At 28mm, aiming for much above Necromunda while claiming accurate groundscaling is disingenous at best… |
| Soapy Wan | 30 Dec 2005 3:54 a.m. PST |
As I understand it Firefight has a unique ruleset shared by no other system and rather that being a WWII set is a generic 'modern' set useable for 20th and 21st century wargames (although 'normed' towards WWII). |
| sherman 101 | 30 Dec 2005 4:12 a.m. PST |
i just hope they have some kind of overwatch.
later
paul |
| andyoneill | 30 Dec 2005 5:03 a.m. PST |
Ummm… Unique eh? It'll be interesting to see what they come up with. Groundscale is always one of those things needs to be compressed for most ww2 wargaming in order to fit in range effects that players expect. |
| Bommel | 30 Dec 2005 5:37 a.m. PST |
aren`t some WW2 army list for a game based on warhamer 40.000 in the internet? |
| Rich J | 30 Dec 2005 7:11 a.m. PST |
Realistic ground scale is pretty easy to work into 28mm on a 6x4 – just dispense with any ranges for any weapon. If it is infantry based then terrain takes the place of any range effects so to speak.
Quite a few rules now do this etc RJ |
| jizbrand | 30 Dec 2005 7:11 a.m. PST |
Norrmeister, thanks for the explanation; I broke the Warhammer habit about ten years ago and have been WAB-free for the last four. So I wasn't much up on the "in" terminology. |
 aegiscg47  | 30 Dec 2005 7:21 a.m. PST |
The system is called Firefight and it's not based on WH40K. There has been no activity with the playtest group since August, so I am suspecting that the original idea didn't hold up well or other projects have come to the forefront. It was supposed to be out the first part of 2006, but now I'm thinking maybe by 2007? |
| normsmith | 30 Dec 2005 2:04 p.m. PST |
I have seen some 'younguns' playing Flames of war, they used to be 40K players – Commercially, GW may see a need to have something in the WWII era. |
| Gecoren | 30 Dec 2005 5:12 p.m. PST |
"I have seen some 'younguns' playing Flames of war, they used to be 40K players – Commercially, GW may see a need to have something in the WWII era." Well, AFAIKT for various reasons GW will not be producing anything historical (apart from rulebooks) for sound reasons. One thing is certain, 28mm 20th Century and Moderns are crying out for a decent set of rules. Firefight might just be it. Guy |
| Fred Cartwright | 31 Dec 2005 5:30 a.m. PST |
"One thing is certain, 28mm 20th Century and Moderns are crying out for a decent set of rules." Really??! There has been an explosion in WW2 and modern rules sets all claiming compatability with 28mm figures over the last couple of years. I can think of a dozen off the top of my head. Is there nothing you like around at the moment? Cheers Fred. |
| Khazarmac | 31 Dec 2005 5:38 a.m. PST |
Daniel Corzillius; "aren`t some WW2 army list for a game based on warhamer 40.000 in the internet?" – yes, there are several; Warhammer Panzer Battles, Warhammer WWII and WHWII with an alternative turn sequence (see Yahoo groups for these). There are also skirmish versions, using Necromunda. |
| Gecoren | 31 Dec 2005 8:19 a.m. PST |
"Is there nothing you like around at the moment?" No. Not yet. Nobody's claimed the crown yet IMHO. Guy |
| SeattleGamer | 31 Dec 2005 2:25 p.m. PST |
I'm surprised there's "nothing" you like Guy. Has any information – however sketchy – ever been released regarding the scale for Firefight? Is it 1:1 with each soldier getting a name and his/her own stats? Is it 1:1 but each section/squad is generic (no names, all stats the same, perhaps the weapons a different to account for having an M1 versus a Thompson versus a BAR, etc)? Just wondering which other games that play at that same level are "missing" something that Firefight will address. Thanks for sharing anything you can (NDA's and all that). Steve |
| Gecoren | 31 Dec 2005 6:26 p.m. PST |
"I'm surprised there's "nothing" you like Guy." Oh there is. It's just not in print yet….. ;-) Guy |
| Fred Cartwright | 01 Jan 2006 6:18 a.m. PST |
"Oh there is. It's just not in print yet….. ;-)" So what is missing from the stuff that is in print? Looking around there is a huge range of mechanisms in skirmish rules for theis period. Some quite inovative. Certainly more variety than I've seen in skirmish rulse for other periods. Cheers Fred. |
| Gecoren | 01 Jan 2006 7:44 a.m. PST |
"So what is missing from the stuff that is in print?" The challenge is to make a quick and playable set of rules yet models accurately the effects of modern warfare. Do you want a game of World War 2 or a game with World War 2 models in it? "Looking around there is a huge range of mechanisms in skirmish rules for theis period. Some quite inovative. Certainly more variety than I've seen in skirmish rulse for other periods." I am familiar with them. Guy |
| Fred Cartwright | 01 Jan 2006 8:25 a.m. PST |
"The challenge is to make a quick and playable set of rules yet models accurately the effects of modern warfare. Do you want a game of World War 2 or a game with World War 2 models in it?" Now that is a challenge! Do you plan to model all the effects of modern warfare? I look forward to seeing the finished result when you are done! Cheers Fred. |
| Gecoren | 01 Jan 2006 4:52 p.m. PST |
"Now that is a challenge! Do you plan to model all the effects of modern warfare? I look forward to seeing the finished result when you are done!" Well that's the plan. Currently there's quite a few big questions over playtesting and which way it'll finally go. You can have a realistic game, with your troops scared to hell and stuck in their bunkers but then the game has less playablility then. So a lot more playtesting to be done before there's the final product. Regards, Guy |
