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Subject: Hitler's Eagle's Nest retreat engulfed in flames


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My god :(

Wow. Toured it around 11 years ago, visiting my son and his family, stationed at Ramstein AFB. It was surreal touching history, walking the place I'd seen film footage of, with Adolph and his allies walking around with their wives. It really brought history to life for me, making it real. Sad that it is gone because touching history, especially when it is horrific, makes it absolutely real. Thanks for posting this. Cheers!

Sad. I hate to see any historical site being destroyed. Even one attached to such an evil man. Destroying Eagle's Next is not going to make Hitler disappear.

Seems a place like that would have security to prevent this sort of thing.

I'm desperately trying to work up a reason to be upset about this.
Sorry. I failed. 🤷
Screw "historical significance". It was a shrine that got what it deserved.

John I would expect nothing less from you. Disappointed, but not in the least surprised.

How about this one John?

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Suspected??!!

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How about the Mairie de Limoges in France burned down by the "rioters" there, did " it get what it deserved"?

They are all historic. Those who did both said: "Screw historical significance , it got what it deserved."

There are those who would burn down the White House and feel it justified.
Burn down Buckingham Palace and feel "it got what it deserved".
Bomb the Eiffel Tower.
There are those who would gladly bring down the Al-Masjid al-Haram and feel "it got what it deserved".

Not surprised, but disappointed.

Classic "tu quoque" logical fallacy.
The "Yeah but what about…."
Just as valid as answering a TDS with "Yeah, but what about (insert Biden or Obama…)

There is no comparison. Hitler was a classic Bad Guy. U S Marines are Good Guys.
ANYTHING remotely commemorating Hitler should have been made into a toxic waste dump in the late 40's.

+1 35thOVI

John just the facts.

History is history John, only extremest believe they are justified in erasing it.

But you can tell the Germans to torch these too. 🙄

• Olympiastadion Berlin (Olympic Stadium): Built for the 1936 Summer Olympics and designed by Werner March, this massive stadium still hosts major sporting events today (such as matches for Hertha BSC).
• Reichsluftfahrtministerium (Reich Ministry of Aviation): Designed by Ernst Sagebiel and completed in 1936 as Hermann Göring's aviation ministry, this vast office complex survived the war and now houses the German Federal Ministry of Finance.
• Tempelhof Airport: Expanded and rebuilt in the late 1930s in a monumental, sweeping semicircular design by Ernst Sagebiel as part of Hitler's vision for Germania, the historic airport building is now used as a public park and cultural venue.
• Schwerbelastungskörper: A massive concrete cylinder built in 1941 to test the ground stability of Berlin's marshy soil before constructing massive monumental arches for Germania; it still stands in Schöneberg as an open-air historical monument.

• Führerbau (Munich): Designed by Paul Troost and completed in 1935 as an administration building for the Nazi Party—where the Munich Agreement was signed in 1938—the building still stands and now serves as the Hochschule für Musik und Theater München (University of Music and Performing Arts Munich).
• Nazi Party Rally Grounds & Congress Hall (Nuremberg): The massive, incomplete horseshoe-shaped Congress Hall (inspired by the Colosseum in Rome) and surrounding rally grounds designed by Ludwig and Franz Ruff still stand, with parts of the complex housing the Documentation Center Nazi Party Rally Grounds.
• Prora: A massive, 4.5-kilometer-long seaside resort complex on the island of Rügen built by the Nazi Kraft durch Freude (Strength Through Joy) organization between 1936 and 1939. Though never fully finished or used as originally intended, the surviving blocks have been partially redeveloped into modern apartments, hotels, and youth hostels.
• NS-Ordensburg Vogelsang (North Rhine-Westphalia): A massive elite leadership training castle complex constructed starting in 1934 in the Eifel National Park, which now operates as an international education and exhibition center.

Also John, Hitler would give you a +1

Hitler actively tried to alter the physical "landscape of memory" regarding Germany's defeat in World War I.
• According to historical documents, such as the Keitel order of 1940, Hitler ordered the destruction of World War I monuments in occupied France and Belgium.
• He viewed these monuments as a source of national shame and defamation against the German army, attempting to physically wipe away the reminders of Germany's previous military losses.

All that I said was that I'm not upset that a shrine to Hitler was destroyed.
Then, in your classic "yeah but what about…" manner you keep dragging in random irrelevant stuff.
Did I call for it to be destroyed? None I just said that if it were done, the late immediate post war de-Nazification should have been the ones to do it.
I'm not surprised, and I'm not upset.

Aaah, what's the point? I made my point, and you chose to misunderstand.
Have a nice day.

No misunderstanding this

Screw "historical significance". It was a shrine that got what it deserved.

Those who actually fought the Nazis did not destroy it after they occupied it. The choice to destroy it was theirs. Their right of war.

It resides in Germany, if they wanted it destroyed, they could legally have done so, they didn't.

As of this moment a vandal did it. A person with absolutely no right.

More on it.

• Hitler Rarely Used It: Hitler visited the Kehlsteinhaus relatively few times (roughly 14 times total) because he disliked the heights, the risk, and the time-consuming journey, meaning it held little tactical importance as a target to eliminate the German leadership.

Why It Was Spared After the War

• Preservation vs. Demolition: Unlike Hitler's nearby Berghof—which was blown up in 1952 so it would not become a neo-Nazi shrine—the Eagle's Nest was spared and later converted into a mountain restaurant and tourist destination.
• Intervention and Reuse: Local and regional authorities intervened to keep the building intact. Control of the site was eventually handed over to a charitable trust, turning a symbol of the Third Reich into a historical landmark.

More?

Why Allied Soldiers Chose Not to Destroy It

When the U.S. 101st Airborne Division and French 2nd Armored Division captured the area in May 1945, individual soldiers certainly vandalized the interior—they chipped away pieces of Mussolini's red marble fireplace for souvenirs and drank Hitler's stored wine—but the military commanders chose to preserve the building itself as a "trophy of victory".
• The "Trophy" Value: It was immediately put to use as a high-altitude military recreation center and rest stop for Allied officers. Keeping it intact was a highly visible statement of total Allied triumph over the regime.
• Not the Source of Terror: Allied troops saw the Eagle's Nest as an architectural oddity and a lavish guest house, rather than a bunker where active warfare or atrocities had been coordinated.

Why the Post-War German Government Chose to Save It

In the early 1950s, the Bavarian State Government systematically blew up the ruins of Hitler's actual home (the Berghof) and the nearby SS barracks because they were heavily damaged and risked becoming focal points for neo-Nazi pilgrimage. However, they intentionally spared the Eagle's Nest (Kehlsteinhaus).
• The Intervention of Jacob Latorre (and Local Leaders): Local Berchtesgaden district head (Landrat) Jacob Latorre and other regional politicians actively fought against its demolition. They successfully argued that because the structure was completely undamaged by the war, destroying it would be an act of pointless vandalism against a remarkable feat of alpine engineering.
• The Legal Solution: To ensure it wouldn't become a shrine to the Third Reich, the Bavarian government retained ownership but leased it to a charitable trust. All proceeds from its operation as a mountain restaurant were funneled into local charities, effectively neutralizing its dark symbolism by forcing it to serve the public good.
The consensus across both sides was that a completely intact, isolated building was better utilized as a historical warning and an economic resource than being reduced to rubble.

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Current Historical Note (October 2026):
The question of preserving this history has taken a tragic turn. On the night of October 23, 2026, a massive fire completely engulfed the Eagle's Nest. German authorities have detained a 33-year-old suspect on suspicion of arson. While the main building has suffered catastrophic damage, Bavarian officials have already stated that they will not leave it as a ruin and intend to discuss a sensible path forward for restoration

"I'm desperately trying to work up a reason to be upset about this.
Sorry. I failed. 🤷
Screw "historical significance". It was a shrine that got what it deserved."

That's a very uneducated response.

The first thing I saw on it was saying how they kept it for a tourist location for the benifit of the local area.

Now a major tourist location and all the money it brought in is lost, with now more needed to repair it, if possible.

That's another good reason to be upset. Along with destroying a site of cultural and historical significance.

It's like that tree at Hadrian's wall.

Also notice how that walls is still there. Because of its historical significance.

I'm keen on Germans in parades. There's not many allied soldiers left and it's good to see who they were fighting for comparison, plus so many have relatives in the war.

It has to make the move from personal to historical at some point.

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I think no recording of the confederate yell is among the greatest shames.

You may mourn the destruction of a shrine to Adolf Hitler if you wish to. I shall not.

It's not a shrine to Hitler.

It's a tourist site.

It was a tea room Hitler had built and went to about 14 times.

What, you want them to tear down all the buildings and bridges and power plants, so on, he had built too?

What about NASA?

Got a beef with them too?

They are continuing in his work building rockets.

Angry they let his people stay free while they continued his work?

I'm sure Dr Norah Patten wouldn't agree.

John did you read my last post

I'll paste a few paragraphs here again.

No shrine. Money went to… Charity.

And they are planning on rebuilding.

Won't be the same, as it won't be the original.

The Legal Solution: To ensure it wouldn't become a shrine to the Third Reich, the Bavarian government retained ownership but leased it to a charitable trust. All proceeds from its operation as a mountain restaurant were funneled into local charities, effectively neutralizing its dark symbolism by forcing it to serve the public good.
The consensus across both sides was that a completely intact, isolated building was better utilized as a historical warning and an economic resource than being reduced to rubble.

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Current Historical Note (October 2026):
The question of preserving this history has taken a tragic turn. On the night of October 23, 2026, a massive fire completely engulfed the Eagle's Nest. German authorities have detained a 33-year-old suspect on suspicion of arson. While the main building has suffered catastrophic damage, Bavarian officials have already stated that they will not leave it as a ruin and intend to discuss a sensible path forward for restoration

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I know— let's tear down the Tower of London! Hey, it was used to imprison political opponents of the King (and Cromwell), and saw numerous executions, not to mention the (claimed) murders of "the little Princes," supposedly on the orders of their uncle, Richard III. Obviously, it's a shrine to evil and must be destroyed!

Or, we should burn down the White House because it was built by slaves.

Or dismantle the pyramids, because the Pharaohs were narcissists with delusions of godhood.

Or reduce the Colosseum to rubble because it was a place where murder was offered as entertainment.

Being contradictory just to be contradictory is not a good look— especially on a site which treasures history, and especially the history of warfare. Maybe we should melt our miniatures of soldiers, officers, and leaders from any war that held incidences of cruelty or excessive violence— oh, wait. That would pretty much be all of them.

Historic sites are worthy of preservation because of what we can learn from them, both about our past, our present, and our future.

I agree that it was solely the right of the German people as to the fate of the Eagle's Nest— not one lunatic out seeking his own twisted form of glory.

History is full of heroes and villains. It all needs to be preserved.

ISIS destroyed priceless works that offended them. We decry that. But I, we, assume that OUR values are superior to theirs. But there are many who would argue that it is all just superstition, subjective. Who are we to say which is good or bad. John is offended by Nazis and Confederates. I agree with the first but not the second. But there are those who want to destroy statues of Washington and Jefferson. I am willing to draw a line and defend it. And that line is, leave monuments to history ALONE and instead debate what they represent and mean.

My initial remark was NEVER about "Let's destroy…."
I meant to say that I did not think that destroying Hitler's mountain vacation home was not anything I would get upset about.
You're free to mourn it and the tourist trap that chooses to honor him. 🤷Nowhere did I call on anyone to blow up all the other things. Anyone who would suggest I said that is frankly illiterate.

"I meant to say that I did not think that destroying Hitler's mountain vacation home was not anything I would get upset about."

I feel the lack of knowledge may be the problem.

It was not Hitler's vacation home.

Also the negatives and tense in that sentence get confusing.

"tourist trap that chooses to honor him"

I now suspect ignorance.

"Nowhere did I call on anyone to blow up all the other things."

I think it's more the carefree attitude towards such occurrences that has surprised people.

It smacks of banning films because of something one actor did in their own time.

What about the work of the people who were tasked with actually building it? What about the design and architecture?

Fire trucks had a hard time getting there apparently, so it's construction is of interest.

Not getting upset is condoning it.

Especially as there are reasons to be upset that have nothing to do with Hitler.

WW2 was 80 years ago.

Time and people have not stood still.

Binny had those carved statues blown up too, in Jordan, I think it was.