"Challenging similarly" Topic

Apparently some people don't like media with apparent uncanny relations to events.

So, this time I won't mention either, just the similarity in the media. Have fun.

I'll mention, the media seems to have a happy ending, whereas the event didn't.

They were only 4 years apart.

Also, I believe it's legit, as it's so similar. Likely the production used the event purposely. Apparently an actor gave the setting, so I guess they were looking for something disparate to add to that.

Its a work in progress…

In the media:

A teacher lady is about to fall off a ravine.., but a chap saves her.

Three fuel logs, two smaller, one big bang, that makes the teacher fall, again, and again is saved.

Did I mention her having a keen interest in astronomy?

A huge fancy machine, but it's all about a little ice.

They got a band! With a rather relative album release time and cover. I actually suspect they may have been chosen because of it???

The guy driving is Michael J someone.

The whole issue is because a small projectile hit a bigger tank of fuel.

Aluminium is blasted out.

Apparently there is a certain brand of frisbee, but I'm still looking into it.

Of course it's the only one to have the bad guy fall into the muck.

There are lots of small projectiles hitting recepticles with circles featuring. Often the incident actually saves the day. Again, i feel production just made it a happy ending instead.

The machine was first used for testing, before being upgraded for main use.

I believe you see the bit with the vehicle flying at the start. Then it's destroyed at the end. With partof it/another machine going down in a lot of smoke.

There are sort of theses bit, replacing the horror, but perhaps being symbolic of religious stuff. The woman falling in love upon rescue, a friend saving a friend, a man flying rescuing her again like an angel.

Still looking into it, but the similarity is striking.

Even "far out. It was right in front of him." Conjures the feel and the situation. Yes, particularly if you consider television. It was, and it was. But also far out, because of the overwhelming event. Almost a slogan of the day?

Talk of Jules Verne stories. Going to the moon.

Apparently all the kids at school had teachers they wanted to have go over the revine. I'd be highly surprised if that's not based on something. I went to school.

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William, that's an understatement!

It's been way too many years since is was last in an altered enough state to understand the above.

I bet this would make sense if I had the context, but I think it's comparing a fictional event to a real life one and I'm not familiar with either one.

"Great Scott!"

Going by comments, it must suck to be a female school teacher, if that's not a complete giveaway, as we must loose so many it's completely missed.

Yes, it is possible some people missed one of the major SciFi franchises.

Or one of the world's most dramatic scientific disasters.

Unlikely, but possible.

Honestly, I'm yet to watch the media for this, but have seen it a few times and have been watching the event, 40 years! Completely missed that, probably why I saw something on it that made me think of the other.

Going to scrutinize the media again, I'm sure I'm missing more.

I'm also wondering about the others, particularly the previous one, as they were made back to back.

Unlikely 13 springs to mind, but who knows.

Oh, yes. And they were going to get a certain actor, but he said no. And he was a very important person at the time of the event. Perhaps that most important. Also further suggesting production was picking things with relations to the event. He also had Ties to the Media's setting.

Its a gift that keeps on giving.

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The hero's told the odds are against him, as he's measured for a coffin.

He's loaned a peacemaker, I believe it was. Suggesting something to make, perhaps, world peace, or unity??? And he does some training with it using a simulator.

Everyone gathers around to watch. A small projectile hits a part of a larger combustion tank.., but the hero survives. And then the bad guy falls to his ruin.

Talking about speed, "hotter than the fires of *a place and a thing*," or similar is mentioned. Unfortunately, but likely deliberately, similar. "Up to" the speed I think, again I'll be checking.

So much.

PPS

Oddly, but perhaps, deliberately???

I don't recall the vehicle coming in iced up??? Again, I'll check. It would perhaps be too obvious??? The flying lightning strike (if they played it full) would be hugely close.

That's much clearer, not.

I guess it's true that pot they sell today is much more potent than what we had back in the day.

OK, so we've got a real-life event with an "uncanny" relationship to the Back to the Future movies. I'm sorry, H Man. I watched a Back to the Future movie--the first, I'm pretty sure. It wasn't a bad evening, but I wasn't all that impressed, either. Stock time travel SF. As for dropping a teacher in a ravine, there would be a number of candidates, but the top of my list would have been a male. And as Heinlein says "it's only a momentary pleasure, and bound to get you talked about."

Baffling.

So, at least someone knows a wee bit about a SciFi movie, but no one about one of the closest things in reality.

I agree, people possibly are on some weird stuff, able to erase one of the most tragic events in America, science, television and history.

Right up there with showing school kids a video from planned.., well.

Imagin the parents outrage at those school board meetings.

Actually it may not be limited to this one medea. Although I think it was likely on purpose here. As I'm also reminded of a scene at the end of spaced invaders. "You blew them up!" "Yes, and up, and up, and up .."

Like that other double, if not quadruple tragedy in the US, it infiltrates media for years beyond.

That particular one seemed to initiate having lots of random, seemingly pointless deaths in movies, for example. Not too common last century.

Back to the media and event of the topic.

Also interesting is the inclusion of the moonwalk. Jules Verne, moonwalk, telescope, astronomy, I'm keen to find more of these. Seemingly deliberate choices.

Of course the moonwalk is accompanied by sending an object into a vertical take off, which then falls in catastrophe, with water. And with everyone watching.

It ends with the hero hanging in the air, seemingly about to die.

Also, minor, perhaps, but I recall the friend mention he is a student of science. And is a witness to the hero's departure at the end.

I mentioned before the peacemaker simulator, but also, another simulator is used to test the plan. And with a version of the vehicle used for that testing…

There are some big similarities and many smaller ones, perhaps to be taken in groups.

A teacher who's supposed to die, projectile and tank collisions, vertical take offs (I'm pretty sure a smoke stack is sent flying too???), mentions of space science, school kids and students, the list goes on.

Completely unsurprising if the creators paid more attention than some and put it in as flavour, tribute, last-minute padding, whatever.

PS

Just checked, Spaced invaders was released the same year…

Sweet! I have to get around to watching that again too! All those one liners!!! Excellent!

Possibly the best SciFi comedy.

Ok.

Just took a quick look at the start. Only have an old tv version to hand, my box set DVD is awal at the moment, so there may be some edits.

The flying vehicle isn't at the start.

However, howdy doody is. Yes, at show on tv for all the kids to watch…

Also, the friends original family name is revealed to be.., von braun, I kid you not. Unless in hearing it wrong. Interesting how that's the name they chose, for this particular one.

The Indians and cavalry baffled me. Then the hero's scared off by a bear…

Could the bear be Russia? Were thing still at a peak around that time, of the event??? Is it a suggestion of the original inhabitants, then the US, then the cold war??? Also note the nuclear symbols on his top. Hmm, what happened in the cold war? Perhaps building things to fly???

Speaking of. The vehicle wasn't frosty upon entry, not a bit. I'll have to check it's predecessors, but I always thought it arrived such.

It does have white tyres, round, rubber, ice coloured.

Notice how they are degraded when lifted off the ground, not fit for purpose.

Also.

The event caused a hault for almost 3 years. Resuming the same year the script was written. This means events may well have been on people's minds when writing. May also explain the way they seem to turn losses into wins.

So the Back to the Future movie is an allegory for the Challenger disaster.

What you lack in clarity you certainly make up for in volume.

I can only say that theory is interesting.

In the media, the friend has a deadly issue because a horse shoe (small and almost round) comes off causing a recepticle of alcohol to rupture.

Also we see alcohol, used as fuel, and destroying the vehicles ability to travel.

The framework firing off fireworks does look familiar.

There is a lot of smoke, water, kids, science, so on. All major event features.

Smoke, for example, could easily be swapped for other things, but here, there's a lot of it. Same with water really. Its either lazy or formulaic writing/production. If not lazy, then it's being done on purpose.

Actually I think I know what going on there, but it's still a lot of smoke. Lots of water and people/things about to die. Also suggests that event quite nicely.

It needs a proper study. Also the real world time line.

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The friends grave said he was shot in the back, for $80. USD

So basically betrayed. Falling on the west for 80. And to save money, or because there wasn't much money at the time.

PPS

Bluford and Beaufort both sound like Buford.

Note the lack of African American people in the media, or is there??? And now, where did our hero come from? Hmm…

The first is extremely convincing. The second perhaps more coincidental?

I could imagine a conversation about including African Americans, I can't remember seeing any. So including one of their top people in some manner, especially in context to the event I'm suggesting they are drawing from, makes perfect sense. Apparently the l was sometimes dropped anyway.

"All the best stuff is made in Japan."

Mitsubishi made the Colt and the Challenger cars.

Also William really peed on everyone, apparently.

And and another William lead the team to figure it out.

Up in the air and it's a leak.

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Also note how the hero recklessly refuses to be called yellow or back down.

Actually

The hero may represent the people causing the problem. Not backing down. Picks the worst time.

The friend the children. As he keeps reminiscing and turned off the TV. He watched through lenses, magnifying glasses, telescopes, tv, and calls himself a student.

The teacher the victims???

The villain the the disaster itself???

Nike has a challenger shoe and ties to Columbia.

And HMS challenger dredged up Megalodon "pearly whites" 110 years previous.

Was the friend the first to fix a telescope??

But it may be involved in a delay, right?

How much is deliberate, vs how much incidental is the question.

One way to answer would be to look at another film.

Jurassic Park, for example.

Hmm…

No teachers. Got a couple of kids. No explosions. Not much smoke. Or water, heck the river scene was even pulled. Only the storm in the middle.

I'm not seeing anything at a glance.

Back to the.. pervious media.

And "ice water" is a good way to test things…

With what I was saying about Buford representing African Americans, note he is dressed in black and has a very dirty face, giving him a darker appearance. I didn't notice any actual black people in it.

"A spectacular wreck, too bad no one will be around to see it." Very tongue in cheek?

"Take care of that baby" The William who caused the leak?

Interesting looking structures they have behind the house, power towers, big metal girder construction holdita lot of power.

Shooting star.

4th of July is mentioned. (Again, lotssss of water, explosions, and smoke. Instead of using other options.

End of the line, one way ticket for the teacher.

If they aren't related, its the biggest coincidence I've ever seen.

Hmm…

So.

Three turbulent events. Each violently shaking the vehicle. And a WINDmill as the point of no return. All very important in the real event.

The most violent causing a breach and catastrophic damage.

Certainly causing the teacher to fall.

Do note the windmills foreshadowing in that background earlier on.

Windmills also pump water. So there's yet another reference to that. Often associated with tanks as well.

Curiously, no school children appear in the media. Well, except the hero. But none the teacher would teach.

Budget? Or is it because the children weren't with the teacher in the event?

Especially odd as both previous instalments has a school full.

I assume the children to be taught by the teacher would be younger than the hero's class though.

But, only on tv do we see any of the supposed age group. On the TV.

"*Coincidences*? Where we're going, we don't need *coincidences*."

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Also, they are late, picking a poor time, to get the teacher. Her vehicle is out of control and about to fall to its destruction, as the propulsion goes off another way.

As is the way, here she is saved last minute.

Also note how the friend is supposed to be dead. Suggesting him a ghost or angel. Actually both he and the teacher, perhaps hense their "hand of God" I think it's called Deus ex machina appearance at the end. Perhaps also a bit holy Trinity with the sons.

Also interesting is how they kick the engineers off the vehicle and took it over. Similar to the real event. And, of course it then falls to a smoky doom.

In this case the passenger is safely delivered to their far off destination.