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doc mcb08 Jul 2026 8:25 a.m. PST

My master's thesis director at Rice was Ira Gruber, whose book was the Command of the Howe Brothers. Basically they were peace commissioners as well as commanders=in-chief and Billy Howe in particular was far more interested in negotiating than in destroying Washington. So he'd defeat GW, try to negotiate, then reluctantly fight again when that didn't work. Howe had permission to offer everything short of independence but only AFTER the Americans asked for terms.

Should I send our president my old copy?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 8:52 a.m. PST

Welcome to send him what you want Doc. 🙂

I sent this to him yesterday. AI thought it applied to Iran.

"To punish it is to feed it
To indulge it is to breed it
Madness knows no bridle but the knife"

R. Scott Bakker

"1. "To punish it is to feed it"
When external powers attempt to aggressively punish the Iranian regime, it often strengthens the state's grip on power rather than weakening it. [1, 2]

* Sanctions and Strikes as Propaganda: Severe economic blockades, maximum pressure campaigns, and targeted military actions (such as the extensive U.S. and Israeli air strikes) cause immense suffering for the Iranian populace. However, the regime exploits these actions. It utilizes a Shiite theological framework that sacralizes suffering and frames hardship as a form of moral and spiritual victory against external aggression. [1, 2, 3, 4]
* Perverse Incentives for Escalation: When backed into a corner by foreign penalties, the regime's instinct is to accelerate its most dangerous behaviors—such as increasing uranium enrichment or launching proxy attacks—to force its opponents back to the negotiating table. Punishing the regime gives it the domestic "enemy narrative" it needs to justify brutal crackdowns on internal dissidents. [1, 2, 3, 4]

2. "To indulge it is to breed it"
Conversely, attempting to appease or indulge the regime by lifting pressure without structural changes historically emboldens its regional ambitions. [1]

* Funding Regional Aggression: When economic restrictions are eased or frozen assets are released, the Iranian state rarely funnels that windfall into local welfare. Instead, it uses those resources to breed and maintain its "Axis of Resistance" proxies (like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis), expanding its asymmetric influence across the Middle East. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
* Leverage for Reconstruction: Even following the mid-2026 U.S.-Iran ceasefire agreement, which granted temporary oil sanctions relief to facilitate nuclear talks, analysts note that the regime immediately treats diplomatic indulgence as political leverage. Rather than reforming, they use the breathing room to survive, recover, and rebuild their military apparatus. [1, 2, 3]

This concluding line of the proverb—"Madness knows no bridle but the knife"—means that an irrational, escalating force cannot be managed, reasoned with, or gently steered; it can only be stopped by absolute destruction. [1, 2, 3]
When applied to geopolitics and the Iranian regime, this grim concept represents the tipping point where diplomacy is abandoned for structural elimination:

* The Failure of the "Bridle": A bridle is used to guide and control a beast. In foreign policy, "bridles" are mechanisms like the 2015 JCPOA nuclear deal, conditional sanctions relief, or targeted red lines. The quote suggests that when a state's driving ideology behaves like "madness"—prioritizing ideological expansion and proxy warfare over its own economic survival—it will continually snap those reins. [1, 2, 3]
* The Interventions of the "Knife": The "knife" represents severe, decisive force meant to sever the threat entirely rather than manage it. Geopolitically, this maps to absolute kinetic disruption, such as the major U.S. and Israeli air strikes aimed at physically dismantling Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure. It implies that if a system is fundamentally unmanageable, opponents will eventually conclude that surgical destruction is the only viable path forward.
* The Regime's Internal "Knife": For the Iranian people, the quote takes on an internal meaning. Decades of systemic oppression, corruption, and the violent suppression of civil uprisings have led many citizens to believe the regime cannot be reformed from within. From this perspective, the "bridle" of peaceful protest or political moderation is useless; the regime's grip can only be broken by the metaphorical knife of a full domestic revolution."

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 10:00 a.m. PST

Doc,

Given the strategy really didn't work, I don't think you should it. Do you have one on how to make fanatic Islamic fundamentalists act sane?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 10:02 a.m. PST

Me! Me!

Sure… 😵 🩸 💀

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