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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2026 5:41 p.m. PST

I have been accused (😱) , falsely I might add, of being silly thinking that the CIA engineered coup against Mossadegh was "irrelevant" in discussing Iran's contempt for The West™️.
It's what The Kids are taught! 🙄 YOU may think it's "irrelevant", but…

But it goes back further.
YouTube link

Yes, I'm including Soviet Russia in "the West".
But this is the archetype region for "The enemy of my enemy blah blah blah.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2026 5:44 p.m. PST

I find it amusing that some can bring up the millennium old 12th Imam, but ignore things like this.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2026 6:37 p.m. PST

Yes, the British had learned from the "hands off" policy which had backfired on them in Iraq earlier in 1941. Reza Shah had not learned. Given the British and the Soviets neither liked nor trusted one another, it's hard to believe he couldn't have cut a deal prior to the invasion.

Yet somehow the US, and neither of the two invaders, has been promoted to Great Satan. Myself, I blame US fumbling during the fall of the Shah. Standing by the Shah might have worked. Standing neutral might have worked. Backing the Shah and then standing down sent a clear two-part message: (1) the US is an enemy. (2) the US need not be feared; it's a contmptible enemy.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2026 6:38 p.m. PST

Cultures in the Middle East have long memories. The Crusades is still an issue for them. All of the involvement of the west in their nation over the years is still going to be an issue for Iran.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse07 Jul 2026 7:03 p.m. PST

Yet the nations invaded by the radical fundamentalist Muslims from 600 on should turn the other cheek and forget?

The Central Europeans should forget their children taken and enslaved?

The west should forget that the Persians launched the invasion of the west first?

How far back does one go for justification?

The Muslims invaded what is today Europe first.

"The Muslim Invasions (Starting in 711 CE)In 711 CE, an army of Arab and Berber Muslims crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and invaded the Christian Visigothic Kingdom in Spain. Within a few years, they took control of nearly the whole region, which they called Al-Andalus. They continued expanding into Western Europe until they were stopped by Frankish forces at the Battle of Tours in France in 732 CE."

The Muslims invaded the Christian East first

"Muslim forces invaded Christian lands in the East first.In the 630s CE, newly unified Muslim armies from the Arabian Peninsula launched major military campaigns northward into the Byzantine Empire (the Eastern Roman Empire). At that time, the Byzantine territories in the Middle East and North Africa were heavily populated by Christians and had been under Christian Roman rule for centuries."

The Persians invaded the west first

"The Persian Achaemenid Empire first invaded the West (mainland Europe) in 513 BCE, when King Darius the Great crossed into Thrace and Scythia. However, the most famous invasions of the West targeting mainland Greece occurred between 492 BCE and 480 BCE."

So our justification goes back much longer and is more justified.

We can play the justification games till hell freezes over.

The radical fundamentalist Islamic regime in Iran is evil and deserves what they get, as do their citizens who brought them into power and support them. They have killed and wounded American citizens in unprovoked attacks by themselves and proxies since 79. I won't go into Israel's justification, that is their problem.

All the justification i need.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2026 8:40 p.m. PST

They are taught who the Good Guys are, and who the Bad Guys are. And they aren't taught to be cynical and distrustful.
You can harrumph with your Walls of Text all you want. But that is not what they are taught.

Martin Rapier07 Jul 2026 11:04 p.m. PST

I would just note that calling an Iranian an "Arab" is a good way to get a punch on the nose.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 2:41 a.m. PST

Just to add to the idea of "it goes back further", I believe Philip of Macedon wasn't keen on them either.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse08 Jul 2026 4:21 a.m. PST

We should never doubt, THEY are the bad guys. Have been since 79.

They hit 3 ships. We retaliate and they claim "we broke the treaty". 🤣

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 8:06 a.m. PST

Let's not forget "The Islamic Republic of Japan" either.
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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse08 Jul 2026 8:36 a.m. PST

John 🙄

"I've now been in 57 states — I think one left to go."

Barrack Obama

Was he suffering from early Alzheimer's? Did the MSM even question his mental effectiveness?

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed."

There were only 12. He was referring to Greensburg, Kansas. The total population of Greensburg was only around 1,500. He completely invented a massive casualty number by mistake.

"I don't know what the term is in Austrian…"

There is no Austrian language, it is German.

"In a May 2008 campaign speech, Obama spoke about his family's military history, stating that his uncle was part of the American troops that liberated the Auschwitz concentration camp in World War II."

Auschwitz was by the Soviets. 🤔But maybe uncle Obama was in the red army. 😏

There are many more. Biden even more. But I'll stop.

Obama was much younger and did so much less. What was his excuse. But again, no MSM questioned his fitness for office. Not Barrack the First. 😂

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 9:27 a.m. PST

You're still tilting at this windmill, JohntheOFM? Now you've added toppling a pro-Axis monarchy in 1941 as another reason wjy Iran is a mess…guess we shouldn't punch Nazis, now??

No, the "mess in Iran" is NOT primarily because of the 1941 Anglo-Soviet invasion OR the 1953 Mossadegh coup. Those events were real, involved foreign powers, and left scars—but they do not explain, much less excuse, the theocratic police state that has ruled Iran since 1979. Blaming them is a classic deflection that shifts responsibility from the Iranian revolutionaries who installed radical Twelver Shia clerical rule and from the regime that has brutalized its own people for nearly five decades.

Let's look at this step by step.

In August 1941, Britain and the Soviet Union jointly invaded neutral Iran (Operation Countenance). Reza Shah abdicated on 16 September 1941 and was exiled; his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi took the throne. The Allies occupied the country until 1946, using it as the "Persian Corridor" to ship over 5 million tons of Lend-Lease supplies to the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany.

The stated reasons were straightforward and tied to the existential war against Hitler:

* Secure Iranian oil fields (critical for the Allies).

* Open and protect the supply route to Stalin's armies after the German invasion of the USSR.

* Neutralize German influence. Reza Shah had welcomed German engineers and advisors for modernization projects (as a counterweight to longstanding British and Russian/Soviet meddling). He resisted Allied demands to fully expel ~3,000 German nationals, citing neutrality and ongoing infrastructure work.

Reza Shah was no ideological Nazi. He was a pragmatic nationalist who admired German efficiency and discipline as a "third force" to balance Britain and Russia. He declared neutrality and tried to play all sides. Public sentiment in Iran was often pro-German for the same anti-British, anti-Russian reasons—not because Iranians wanted to join the Holocaust or conquer Europe.

This was not a casual "topple the pro-Nazi regime" adventure. It occurred while Britain stood alone (then with the US and USSR) against a regime that had already conquered most of Europe and was committing industrialized genocide. The invasion was swift, with relatively low casualties on all sides. It disrupted Iran economically (inflation, food shortages, some famine in areas), but it also kept the oil flowing for the war effort and prevented a potential Axis foothold that could have threatened the Caucasus, India, or Allied supply lines.

After the war, the Allies largely withdrew. Iran regained full sovereignty, joined the United Nations, and hosted the 1943 Tehran Conference where Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin affirmed Iranian independence. Mohammad Reza Shah continued (and expanded) his father's modernization project: infrastructure, education, military professionalization, and later the White Revolution reforms.

How does this 1941 event "explain" the 1979 theocracy or today's repression? It doesn't. It is a distant wartime episode in a global conflict against actual fascism. Blaming it for the Islamic Republic is like blaming the Treaty of Versailles solely for Hitler while ignoring the choices of German voters and elites in the 1930s. The causal chain is absurdly stretched. The Pahlavi state that emerged from 1941 pursued secular modernization for decades. The people who overthrew it in 1979 explicitly rejected that path in favor of clerical theocracy.

The 1941 invasion was ugly realpolitik in a world war. The 1979 revolution was a deliberate choice by Iranians—Islamists, leftists, and others—to install something far more total and enduringly destructive.

Now we get to your real favorite deflection – the 1953 Coup. The 1953 overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh (Operation Ajax) did involve CIA and MI6 support. Pro-Soviet Mossadegh had nationalized the British-controlled oil industry in 1951, leading to economic crisis, British embargo, and political chaos. The coup restored the Shah's power after a brief exile. Cold War realpolitik.

But even here, the narrative is oversimplified:

*Domestic Iranian actors played major roles: elements of the military, clergy (including Ayatollah Kashani, who broke with Mossadegh), bazaar merchants, and anti-communist forces.

*Mossadegh was a nationalist and a socialist who dissolved parliament, centralized power, and faced internal opposition.

*Post-coup Iran under the Shah delivered the White Revolution: land reform, women's suffrage and education gains, industrialization, and rising living standards for many (despite corruption, inequality, and SAVAK repression).

Crucially, in today's Islamic Republic, the 1953 coup is not "drilled into every schoolboy" as the central national trauma or the explanation for everything wrong. Iranian regime textbooks treat Mossadegh positively as an anti-imperialist figure but give him passing mention.

The dominant myth is 1979 as a divine victory over tyranny, over the Great Satan (America) and the Little Satan (Israel) with constant warnings about Western plots and the need for vigilance under the Supreme Leader. Mossadegh is a footnote; the clerical narrative often frames secular nationalists as incomplete without religious guidance.

Even if one grants the worst reading of 1953, it occurred in 1953. The Islamic Revolution happened in 1979, 26 years later. In between came economic growth, social changes, and rising expectations under the Pahlavis. The revolution was not an inevitable backlash to 1953; it was a specific ideological project.

And let's not forget the LEFTIST organization of the 1979 revolution. Iranian communists (Tudeh Party), Marxist guerrillas (Fedayeen), and the hybrid Islamist-Marxist MEK actively helped return Ayatollah from exile with the help of French and European Socialists and Communists, then helped Khomeini's movement topple the Shah. They saw the cleric as a useful "useful idiot"—a popular religious figure who could mobilize masses against "imperialism" and the monarchy. Their plan: ride the wave, then sideline Khomeini for "scientific socialism."

They were catastrophically wrong. Once in power, Khomeini's Islamists moved fast. They purged the leftists first. Tudeh was crushed by 1983; many leaders executed. Fedayeen and MEK members were hunted, imprisoned, tortured, and killed in the thousands during the early 1980s revolutionary tribunals and the 1981–85 and 1988 mass executions.

The regime imposed Twelver Shia theocracy: mandatory hijab, Sharia punishments (stonings, amputations, executions for apostasy, homosexuality, "enmity against God"), subordination of ancient Persian culture to revolutionary Islamism, and export of jihad via proxies (Hezbollah, later Houthis, Hamas, etc.). The Iran-Iraq War (1980–88) featured human-wave attacks with Basij teenagers given plastic "keys to paradise." Hundreds of thousands died.

Here's a death toll comparison (using conservative estimates from human rights groups and historians):

* Under Mohammad Reza Shah (1941–1979): SAVAK and security forces responsible for roughly 300–400 confirmed political executions over decades, plus hundreds more killed in clashes or the 1963 and 1978–79 unrest. Broader estimates for political deaths 1963–1979 range up to a few thousand, with the revolution itself accounting for a large share (Khomeini's 60,000 claim was propaganda inflation; historians put revolution deaths in the low thousands to ~10,000).

* Under the Islamic Republic: Thousands executed in the first years alone. Over 7,900 political executions 1981–1985. The 1988 massacre alone: 2,800–5,000+ (mostly political prisoners, many already sentenced). Total political executions in the 1980s likely 10,000–20,000+. Add Iran-Iraq War deaths (hundreds of thousands of Iranians), ongoing executions, and protest crackdowns (2009, 2019, 2022 Woman, Life, Freedom—hundreds to low thousands killed, plus this year's reported suppressions).

The scale is not comparable. The Shah's regime was authoritarian with real repression and torture. The Islamic Republic is a totalitarian theocracy that has killed far more of its own people while imposing an alien ideological straitjacket on Persian civilization.

The Islamic Republic drills fear, not Mossadegh-centric grievance or 1941 resentment:

*Dissent = enmity against God.
*The West and "internal traitors" are eternal plotters.
*The Great and Little Satans are the eternal enemies
*Martyrdom for the regime is glorious.
*Obey the Supreme Leader.

Once the Twelvers are removed, Persian culture—ancient, secular-leaning in its high tradition, and compatible with modernity—has a real chance to reassert itself. The theocracy has spent 47 years trying to erase or subordinate it.

Foreign interventions in 1941 and 1953 were imperfect acts by great powers in difficult times. They do not absolve Iranians of agency in 1978–79, nor do they explain the specific tyranny that followed. The leftists who helped midwife the theocracy became its early victims—a cautionary tale about allying with totalitarians.

The mess in Iran today is the direct result of the 1979 revolution and the clerical system it created. Everything else is secondary context or excuse-making. History's lesson is not "the West ruined Iran." It is that replacing one flawed modernizing autocracy with a radical theocratic one resets the civilizational clock backward.

The Iranian people deserve better than either. When the current regime falls—as all such regimes eventually do—Persia can begin recovering its own trajectory.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 9:48 a.m. PST

I shared a campus with anti-Shah Iranian students back in the 1970's. The worst thing they could think to say about the Shah was that he was "a US puppet." The hatred of the US was the critical point, not hatred of SAVAK--and this from the English-speaking educated elite resident in the US. You wouldn't see that sort of visceral hatred of the US among our own grad students for another generation.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 9:51 a.m. PST

You're still tilting at this windmill, JohntheOFM?

You're peddling a leftist myth to blame the US and the West for the Iranian Theocracy. It's revisionism and diverts actual blame from the Mullahs to "Da West."


Hardly. I'm pointing out WHY they hate "the West", and the USA in particular. No. We didn't invade Iran/Persia in 1941.
BUT, that is what they teach their students. Well, the boys anyway. Girls don't need no book learning. 🙄

THEY believe in what they are told is true historical fact.
I am no leftist. Far from it.
I'm trying to knock some sense into heads here. Not that it'll do any good.
Americans don't study history. They don't even LIKE history. We believe that "there are two sides to every story" 🙄, which is nonsense.
What Iranians believe is what they have been taught, one side, and they KNOW that it's true. Two sides? Nope.

As far as THEY are concerned, the West has wronged them, and it's their duty to strike back ferociously.
Go ahead and believe that they are the Bad Guys, and we are the Good Guys which makes both sides equally biased. We have our ledger, they have theirs.

I fully expect Walls of Text that will clog my screen. Said wall will list why they are the Bad Guys.
As the Usual Suspects keep pointing out, they are 12th Imam Shia. They are Millennial, Apocalyptic… And patient. But maybe they're running out of patience. 🤷
Martyrdom and 72 virgins await.
And the "History" that they have been taught, and believe, sustains their hate.

Oh, and the enriched uranium? It's still there. Merely buried. It can wait. We're never going to get it.
Boots on the ground? Yeah sure.

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 10:12 a.m. PST

Hardly. I'm pointing out WHY they hate "the West", and the USA in particular. No. We didn't invade Iran/Persia in 1941.
BUT, that is what they teach their students. Well, the boys anyway. Girls don't need no book learning. 🙄

You have no Bleeped texting idea what they "teach their students." You're fixated on this stupid and bankrupt narrative -- for what reason?

THEY believe in what they are told is true historical fact.
I am no leftist. Far from it.
I'm trying to knock some sense into heads here. Not that it'll do any good.
Americans don't study history. They don't even LIKE history. We believe that "there are two sides to every story" 🙄, which is nonsense.
What Iranians believe is what they have been taught, one side, and they KNOW that it's true. Two sides? Nope.

No, THEY are not! Humpin' Elefants man, do you KNOW anyone from Iran? I do. Have you read about, watched documentaries about life in Iran under the Ayataollahs? They are easy to find and you will hear REAL Iranians describing how the grew up, what they were taught. The main point drilled into them by the regime is RELIGIOUS!

No duh, it's a Theocracy. Everything you're fixated on is secondary stuff used out of context to butress the moral message promoted by the regime, for whom time started at Year 0 – the 1979 revolution. As I have said and as you refuse to grok, they promote a moral religious view of the regime as moral, righteous and godly who protects the Iranian people from the ungodly, evil West and the Two Satans.

As far as THEY are concerned, the West has wronged them, and it's their duty to strike back ferociously.

Who's THEY? The only "They" I see are of the Theocracy. before the regime shut off the internet the social mediasphere was flooded with Iraniand begging the West for help, showing the atrocities of the regime. The broader "They" may have love for Iran, but hatred for the regime that will butcher then without mercy to stay in power. The regime that dictates all aspects of their life. The regime who sent millions of their sons and daughters into the meatgrinder against Iraq and slaughtered protesters until the streets ran red with blood in January of this year.

That's it dude. Everything you're babbling about to make this situation more nuanced or whatever, is off base and not a real factor.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2026 1:28 p.m. PST

That's it dude. Everything you're babbling about to make this situation more nuanced or whatever, is off base and not a real factor.

Cherish that illusion. 🙄
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Personal logo foxbat Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2026 7:43 a.m. PST

Just to put things into perspective, people could watch this very good video about the invasion of Iran in 1941, a joint Anglo-Soviet operation that opened the most vital supply road for the Soviet Union, more critical even than the Arctic Convoys.

YouTube link

It is fascinating, and distressing, to see the way wars of the past have sown the seeds for those of today & tomorrow…

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2026 8:23 a.m. PST

Pretend that the present administration has the slightest clue. 👍

Safer ground than pretending you do….I mean, seriously you really think that Iranians have all been brainwashed into hating America for the 74 yo coup of a Socialist strongman and the 85yo Uk/USSR intervention in WW2… and that's MORE upsetting to Iranians than being brutally repressed for 50 years by a totalitarian theocracy??

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2026 10:03 a.m. PST

I was watching an Iranian exile who had been tortured and imprisoned by the regime and was now a professor in the US. Although he did not get into all the reasons why he did say that since 1979 Iran has hated the US and sees the US as its enemy. I am sure that there are historical and more current reasons why this is so. Not saying US is at fault for these reasons just that they exist. Iran simply hates us.

Erzherzog Johann09 Jul 2026 10:19 a.m. PST

"Girls don't need no book learning"

Iran's female literacy rate is about 97% for young women. Prior to the 1979 revolution it was about 36%. There are more women than men at university in Iran. Over 60% of graduates are women. They dominate the "STEM" subjects and Iran has one of the highest rates of women engineering graduates in the world.

Yes, Iran is a conservative religious theocracy, but it is certainly not simple.

I work with an Iranian woman, who is religious and wears the hijab by choice. But there isn't a day goes by that we aren't laughing and joking with each other at some point. She doesn't support the regime, admires the women who stand against the compulsory hijab (even though she wears it) and attended pro-government rallies when she was living there (until about 11 years ago) because she does not want Iran controlled by the US and Israel.

It's too simplistic to simply call the regime evil or to ignore the impact of past meddling by foreign powers. 26 years between 53 and 79 is no different to now and 2000. US politics and public opinion isn't still influenced by 9/11?

Cheers,
John

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian09 Jul 2026 1:31 p.m. PST

Please be mindful that there are strong feelings on all sides of this issue.

A number of years ago, I joined an Iranian history forum with the idea of learning more about ancient history. Sadly, I quickly found out they only knew what they had been told, and had no concept of going to historical sources. (They were convinced the Persian Empire was much superior to the Greeks, and that the records proved it. What records? They just changed the subject.)

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse10 Jul 2026 3:57 a.m. PST

One has to ask if some even read these Iran threads at all before they post? 🙄

Cacadoress11 Jul 2026 7:17 a.m. PST

Grattan54
"Cultures in the Middle East have long memories. The Crusades is still an issue for them."

Eh? Only for Muslims, because we checked their rapacious invasions. Thanks to them Middle Eastern Christians and the Levantine races survived so long. You do know the region was Christian and the people lighter-skinned Greek and Levantine before the darker Arabs invaded? You do know the Crusades were defensive wars and helped save Europe?
Tell me you do. Although there are a lot of people, who seem to have fallen asleep in history classes.

Editor in Chief
"Please be mindful that there are strong feelings on all sides of this issue."

Still, that's how truth emerges.

"A number of years ago, I joined an Iranian history forum with the idea of learning more about ancient history. Sadly, I quickly found out they only knew what they had been told, and had no concept of going to historical sources".

You don't have to go to Persia – there are plenty like that among us and many whose mission is to denigrate our history rather than take the best from it. I often hear this, "what about the golden age of Islamic learning – all the wonderful strides they made in Mathematics and Astronomy?". Yep, Arabs out of the desert doing complicated equations – sounds likely. The fact they'd just taken over Christian Byzantium which was full of Christian scholars they turned into grollocked savants with all their classical Roman learning and respect for truth seems to have passed them by.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2026 10:00 a.m. PST

Cacadoress,

Yes, I am quite aware that Islam invaded the Holy Land and the Crusades were a response to that. However, from the Middle Eastern/Islamic view it was the evil Christians who invaded and tried to take the land away from them. I also know that this is a popular view now in the West as well.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2026 4:47 p.m. PST

History is rarely as simple as "one side good, one side bad." The Crusades undoubtedly had defensive aspects from the European perspective but they were also offensive campaigns in the Levant. Likewise, the early Islamic conquests transformed the Middle East, but they didn't erase the existing populations overnight—Greek, Syriac, Coptic, Armenian and other Christian communities continued for centuries. "Still, that's how truth emerges"- hasn't "truth" become a viewpoint. Remarkable.

As for the Islamic Golden Age, it wasn't a matter of "Arabs out of the desert suddenly inventing mathematics." It was a remarkable synthesis. Muslim, Christian, Jewish and other scholars preserved, translated and expanded upon Greek, Persian and Indian knowledge, producing important original work in mathematics, astronomy, medicine and philosophy. Recognising those achievements doesn't diminish the contributions of Byzantium or the classical world—it acknowledges that history is cumulative.

Tango0111 Jul 2026 5:11 p.m. PST

Well said Ochoin…

Armand

Tumbleweed Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2026 6:08 a.m. PST

It's fun to talk about historical precedents that go back to 492 BC, but if you're looking for something more contemporary, find yourself a copy of "Tanker War" by Lee Allen Zatarain and published by Casemate.

Sub-titled "America's First Conflict With Iran, 1987 – 1988," it describes the serious shooting war that involved the mining of ships, small boat attacks on shipping, Chinese anti-ship missiles (Silkworms) that were actually used to attack U.S. Navy ships, NATO reluctance to help, extensive U.S. Navy escorting of oil tankers, the use of U.S. ground forces to attack Iranian facilities and more.

We've seen it all before and not very long ago.

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2026 8:18 a.m. PST

Tumbleweed+1

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2026 7:37 p.m. PST

Foxbat +1

I was just going to mention that invasion.

Regardless we know the history … but this time they want to get deployable nukes. That pretty much "trumps" anything else IMO. Whether they hate the USA, Israel, etc., etc.

Their pedigree makes it clear … they can't get WMDs.

Fingers can be pointed to who is to blame for the situations in the entire region. E.g. the Crusades, Euros dividing up the region after WWI, the Holocaust, the Israeli War of Independence, etc., etc.

It comes down to they are currently providing a threat to the West. They don't care if they die. It appears the anti-islamists forces may not be able to do anything but die at the hands of the IRGC, etc.

Again IMO the answer to continue and even increase strikes on selected targets in Iran.

The paradigm of airpower's effectiveness is not what it was in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, etc., etc.

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