"Pakistan deploys troops and aircraft to Saudi Arabia" Topic

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As part of a mutual defense agreement.

Interesting. What is the long game supposed to be?

"Hey, boys. Since we financed YOUR nukes, you wouldn't mind letting us borrow a few, if we had a need? Thank you very much."

Don't like the look of this….

John, I hadn't thought of that.

From the article: Pakistan has ‌long provided military support to Saudi Arabia, including training and advisory deployments, while Riyadh has repeatedly stepped in to support ​Islamabad financially during periods of economic stress.

Sot seeing what all the hubub is about. Two allies supporting each other against Iran.

IIRC the Paks said, if Iran got nukes, they'd supply or support the KSA with some …

However, what the concept is, to not let this happen. As they last thing most would want it a nuclear arms race in that region among militant radical islamists. Seems some in Congress, the media, etc. just don't get that or want to.

So again Iran cannot get nukes … ever … no matter who is in charge.

What is so hard to understand about that ?

It shouldn't be … but as we see in DC, etc. political machinations and skullduggery seems to trump the threat of islamists using nukes. Which seem ridiculous or should …

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Just a little speculation outside the box.

We know, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and Pakistan are all involved in getting the president to delay attacks again. They say they have a treaty they think the U.S. could agree to.

Is it Possible that Pakistan's troops are there as potential UN type of guarantee force in Iran? Someone the Iranians would allow to get the dust, so to speak?

Frankly, I'm surprised that Pakistan getting nukes wasn't such a big deal. After all, it goes to war with India every dozen or so years. But India has them too. Nobody really thinks that their occasional wars will go nuclear, though. Deterrence.

Israel having nukes (the biggest non-secret secret around) SHOULD be a deterrent to Iran USING them.
I saw the headline on Drudge today that the Supreme Leader says their Uranium is staying put. I don't really think that their buried uranium is even accessible. So, how are WE supposed to be able to dig it out, after bragging about how well WE buried it?

I'll bet a thousand quatloos that 100% of TMP readers have "done their research (Googled)" on how to make a nuke. I've worn out that Wikipedia page on the Teller H-bomb construction. And Tsar Bomba.
It's simply engineering. And Iran's wanting to do it all themselves.
What other nation is capable of manufacturing nukes. I'll wager that Turkey can, in less than a year. Poland, Germany…

We discuss China here. How they are shipping weapons using the railroads through Afghanistan. Same railroads can ship North Korean nukes.

So, posture and pontificate all you want about how "Iran must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons!" All that it will take is the willingness of Russia, China and or North Korea to "allow" it.
We already know that Pakistan will "help" Saudi Arabia, if needed. And that would be Sunni Sunni solidarity vs Shia. As already seen, Sunni can coexist with Zionists quite nicely when convenient.
"I am not those men. I am Salahuddin!" Nice propaganda, eh?

I will also wager that Iran has purged their internal intelligence structure of the incompetent place holders that allowed Mossad to run wild. That source of Western intelligence will have dried up. One trick pony.

Pakistan getting nukes wasn't such a big deal. After all, it goes to war with India every dozen or so years. But India has them too

Yes, both sides in that off and on conflict have those nukes. To use on each other … i.e. MAD. They don't seem to want to use nukes to start the End Times. Like Iran's islamists do …

I'll bet a thousand quatloos that 100% of TMP readers have "done their research (Googled)" on how to make a nuke.

I had the additional training/duty of being a Bn Atomic Demolition Missions Office as a 1LT. I don't care to know how to make a nuke. There was no need to learn. We were training to lead a small team to insert, employ, activate a small nuclear device in strategic locations on the battlefield. Then E and E out to a recovery point. Albeit could be a one way trip.

How they are shipping weapons using the railroads through Afghanistan. Same railroads can ship North Korean nukes.

We know all that … And we know how vulnerable rail lines can be. Rail lines have been being destroyed since WWI … at least.

If need be, as soon as those rail cars enter into Iran. They could be removed by a number of means from the air.

So, posture and pontificate all you want about how "Iran must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons!"

Well mock all you want. But none of the nations who have nukes only use them a deterrence. They all know the principle of MAD.

However, Iran leader's are islamic fanatics they want to bring on their skewed version of the End Times. So, anyone with any common sense would understand they are the most likely to use nukes on their infidel enemies. They want to go to paradise as martyrs. Everybody with nukes have no desire to initiate a nuclear exchange. All those other nuclear nations want to live … not go to someone's idea of paradise. That should be clear to anyone.

We already know that Pakistan will "help" Saudi Arabia, if needed. And that would be Sunni Sunni solidarity vs Shia. As already seen, Sunni can coexist with Zionists quite nicely when convenient.

Yes we all know that … none of those leaders on that list wants to start the end times.

I will also wager that Iran has purged their internal intelligence structure of the incompetent place holders that allowed Mossad to run wild. That source of Western intelligence will have dried up.

You'd lose that wager, I'd wager. The Mossad has been doing this type of op for a very long time. The have all forms of intel assets to spy on Iran. And do … As does the USA. Along with a fleet of high-tech spy satellites, drones, etc., etc.

One trick pony.

And what trick would that be ?

"One trick pony"?
Can they use the exploding cellphone trick again?
Can Mossad track where the current hierarchy of mullahs live? Oh, they were so proud to announce how they hacked the traffic cameras.

It's called "purging" the incompetence and incompetents. You know what Mossad did, and how they did it.
If you think Iran can use the same tricks again, you're delusional. Either that, or you're relying on Iranian counter intelligence to be … dumb. As dumb as the ones who allowed it to happing.
Stalin purged. Nothing new.

And they have a rest period to figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Duh.

If Mossad is going to go out and brag about their successes, they can't use them again.

But it's probably politicians who are doing the bragging. How can they resist having a microphone shoved in their faces? It's who they are. To the despair of the professionals. The politicians will always win. .

"One trick pony"?
Can they use the exploding cellphone trick again?
Can Mossad track where the current hierarchy of mullahs live? Oh, they were so proud to announce how they hacked the traffic cameras.

Well you doubt the Israeli's ability come up with new ideas, adapt, develop, etc. both with weapons and tactics. Maybe you have not noticed they have been doing since '47-'48.

It's called "purging" the incompetence and incompetents. You know what Mossad did, and how they did it.

Yes we understand that. However, the Mossad, IDF etc. continue to evolve not just with higher tech but with tactics, techniques, etc. Again they have been doing this since the first Arab-Israeli War, and all those afterwards. E.g. '56, '67, '73, etc., etc.

If you think Iran can use the same tricks again, you're delusional. Either that, or you're relying on Iranian counter intelligence to be … dumb. As dumb as the ones who allowed it to happing.

I may be many things but delusional is not one of them. I and many other know not to underestimate your enemy. But at the same time don't overestimate their capabilities also. In Iran's case their capabilities are dwindling along with their military assets.

I am not overly impressed with Iran intel capabilities. They know much less than they would if they were not getting help from the Chicoms and probably the Russians. They are nowhere as efficient, effective, deadly, etc. as the Mossad, etc.

They nor many other islamic nations have had the success not only on the battlefield but with intel ops that the Israelis do. And again, that has been going on for a very long time.

And they have a rest period to figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Duh.

They have had little time to come up with some "winning" plan(s). Their assets severely attrited. As well as their leadership. Which seems splintered, fracture, etc.

You nor many other here or elsewhere know little to nothing about the OPLANs the US[and IDF] are going to execute in the near future. I may have a little more insight, etc. but even that is small.

Duh !!!

No better yet … Doh !!!

If Mossad is going to go out and brag about their successes, they can't use them again.

Really … ? How many different types of operations have been based on, e.g. the Trojan Horse ? Surprise and deception come in many forms.

The UK in WWII really were pretty much masters of it. And they kept coming up with different ideas, plans, etc. I think the IDF can, will and have done similar. What were Iran's successful clandestine ops ? Not any I can think of.

But it's probably politicians who are doing the bragging. How can they resist having a microphone shoved in their faces? It's who they are. To the despair of the professionals. The politicians will always win.

On that I can agree …

Regardless … Don't underestimate your allies when it comes to the IDF either.

FWIW – Drones, LCSs, TLAMs, etc. in the Strait …

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