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DisasterWargamer  | 04 May 2026 1:41 p.m. PST |
Prompted by a question from a Civil War Roundtable link At start of the time of the Civil War, there were 34 states in the United States. During the war 2 additional states were admitted to the Union. Whether it was as a source of manpower, leadership, geography, of foodstuffs, or of manufactured materiel or for some other reason. New York provided the most people to the Army in the North and Virginia or North Carolina for the South – though percentage wise Iowa and Mississippi provided the largest percentage of their eligible population. From an industrial perspective, Pennsylvania followed by New York supported the North. Virginia for the South New York and Ohio provided the most food for the North – Virginia and North Carolina for the South Ohio, New York and Indiana provided the most generals for the North and North Carolina for the South Your thoughts? |
Frederick  | 04 May 2026 1:56 p.m. PST |
Well, one could argue Virginia – if the South lost it, pretty much lost the war – and having a major Confederate state that near Washington kept the Union on the back foot for a good part of the war |
ochoin  | 04 May 2026 3:02 p.m. PST |
The state of Denial, because both sides spent the first year convinced the whole thing would be over by dinner. |
79thPA  | 04 May 2026 3:37 p.m. PST |
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Old Contemptible  | 04 May 2026 4:04 p.m. PST |
Virginia Virginia was the most important state of the Civil War because it contained the Confederate capital, hosted the war's central military theater, produced the Confederacy's most famous army and commanders, absorbed the attention of the Union's main eastern army, and became the place where the Confederacy's military defeat was sealed. Other states were vital, but no state stood so consistently at the center of the war from beginning to end |
| fgilbert2 | 04 May 2026 4:14 p.m. PST |
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John the OFM  | 04 May 2026 4:51 p.m. PST |
For who? Union or Confederacy? |
| TimePortal | 04 May 2026 5:12 p.m. PST |
Alabama was not the most important but provided vital material to the South. The capital of the CSA was initially Montgomery but was moved to Virginia, so Davis could be closer to the armies on the front. Alabama had significant drawbacks. The railroads were privately owned. Companies would vary track gages to ensure their cars carried material. At least nine gages needed to get material from Montgomery to Atlanta or north Alabama. The vast iron producing minerals in Birmingham area was not found during the war. A shout out for Georgia. An awful amount of effort was spent on destroying it. |
robert piepenbrink  | 04 May 2026 5:44 p.m. PST |
Consider California, which might have gone either way. Subtract California's gold from the US dollar and imagine it propping up Confederate currencies. Do the same with troops. For that matter, consider Kentucky firmly in the Confederate column. And if Maryland had seceded, Lincoln would have been calling for troops from a "provisional capital" of Philadelphia or New York. Would it have had the same effect? The US won a whole series of squeakers before First Bull Run. |
Grattan54  | 04 May 2026 6:16 p.m. PST |
Virginia for the South. Without Virginia it would have been a much shorter war. Its location, manpower and industry were all key. Minnesota for the North cuz that is my home state. :) |
| BW1959 | 04 May 2026 8:48 p.m. PST |
Ohio, Gen. Grant, Sherman and Sheridan |
etotheipi  | 05 May 2026 2:51 a.m. PST |
The state of Denial, because both sides spent the first year convinced the whole thing would be over by dinner. While this conclusion is somewhat valid, it is overstated an ignores a lot of facts. First seccession, South Carolina 20 December, 1860. Fort Sumter, first battle 12-13 April 1861. Lincoln's call for volunteers 15 April 1861. Lincoln's call was for 90 stints. This is one of the core cited facts that "everyone" thought the war would be over "before dinner" (a reaonsable euphamism). Except the various Confederate states were issuing 1 year stints for their individual state militias before the attack of Fort Sumter. On 03 May, 1861, months before the next major battle (and not really well into the half a dozen or so small clashes), Lincoln expanded the army and navy and called for 3 year enlistments. Adding to the mythology, there were civilians who came to Fort Sumter to watch the battle. While it wasn't blankets and baskets, in elementary school, they called it "picnicing". However, as the Union troops broke and fled, so did the civilians. In terror. None of them were going back to their society friends (i.e., picnicers not representative of the population writ large) saying, "What a jolly time." So, yes, until the actual war started, some people thought it would be over quickly. |
rustymusket  | 05 May 2026 5:00 a.m. PST |
California so someone could make the movies. |
| Murvihill | 05 May 2026 6:20 a.m. PST |
My first thought was strategic rather than economic. For that I'd say Maryland, which, if it had gone Confederate would have extended the war at least a year. The fact that it didn't hid its strategic significance. Then Virginia for reasons listed by OC. |
Parzival  | 05 May 2026 6:30 a.m. PST |
Maine, for the 20th and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, without which the Union Army would have been outflanked at Little Round Top and lost the battle of Gettysburg. Prove me wrong!  |
| mildbill | 05 May 2026 6:57 a.m. PST |
Now I am no fan of Illinois, but I thought that they provided the most soldiers. |
John the OFM  | 05 May 2026 7:43 a.m. PST |
Pennsylvania, because, according to family lore, there was a drummer boy ancestor at Gettysburg. Being 8 when I heard that, I was to be seen and not heard. So I didn't ask for details. Probably a Groark. If I were into genealogy, I might check it out, but… |
miniMo  | 05 May 2026 8:07 a.m. PST |
Vermont for single-handedly defending the entire northern flank of the Union at St. Albans. ~ , ~ |
T Corret  | 05 May 2026 9:21 a.m. PST |
Just as a talking point, KY raised more Black troops for the Union than any other state. |
| svsavory | 05 May 2026 11:42 a.m. PST |
Kentucky is fascinating. I believe Lincoln said something to the effect that to lose Kentucky would be to lose the whole war. |
35thOVI  | 05 May 2026 11:54 a.m. PST |
For Lincoln yes. Mary would have henpecked him the rest of his life. |
35thOVI  | 05 May 2026 12:05 p.m. PST |
While several states were critical, New York and Ohio are most often cited as the "most important" to the Union cause depending on whether you value raw volume or strategic leadership. [1] 1. New York: The Volume Leader By sheer numbers, New York was the Union's industrial and manpower engine. [1, 2] * Troops Supplied: It provided the largest number of soldiers by far, totaling roughly 448,000 men. * Goods Supplied: As the nation's biggest commercial and financial center, its factories turned out massive quantities of equipment, and it boasted the nation's most valuable farmland. * Generals: It produced a high number of generals, including significant figures like Philip Sheridan (born in NY, raised in Ohio). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] 2. Ohio: The Leadership Key While third in total manpower, Ohio's contribution was uniquely qualitative, especially in command talent. [1, 2] * Troops Supplied: Ohio raised nearly 320,000 soldiers, which was the highest per capita contribution of any Union state. * Generals: Often called the "Mother of Union Generals," Ohio was the home or birthplace of the war's most essential leaders, including Ulysses S. Grant, William Tecumseh Sherman, and Philip Sheridan. Historians often argue the war could not have been won without this specific trio. * Goods Supplied: Ohio's farm values were the second highest in the Union, and its industrial and mining sectors were vital for the burgeoning railroad industry The Case for New York (The Eastern Powerhouse) New York troops were the backbone of the Army of the Potomac in the Eastern Theater. Because they fought in many of the war's most concentrated, high-casualty bloodbaths, they developed a reputation for extreme resilience. [1, 2] * Elite Units: The Irish Brigade (centered around the 69th New York) was famous for its ferocious charges and high casualty rates at battles like Antietam and Fredericksburg. * Decisive Moments: At Gettysburg, New York regiments were instrumental. The 140th New Yorkhelped save Little Round Top, and the 137th New York held the critical right flank at Culp's Hill in a stand often compared to the 20th Maine's on the left. * Casualty Rate: New York suffered more total casualties (39,000) than any other state, a testament to the brutal front-line fighting its soldiers endured throughout the war. [, 2, 3] The Case for Ohio (The Western "Roughness") Ohio troops were primarily active in the Western Theater, where they gained a reputation for mobility, ruggedness, and a high degree of tactical competence. [1, 2] * Elite Performance: The 21st Ohio made one of the most famous stands of the war at Snodgrass Hill during the Battle of Chickamauga. Armed with five-shot repeating rifles, they held off massive Confederate assaults for hours, allowing the rest of the army to escape. * High Enlistment: Ohio had the highest per capita enlistment of any Union state, with roughly 60% of all military-age men serving. * Reputation: Western soldiers were often perceived as having a certain "roughness" or hardiness compared to Eastern troops, partly due to their success in long-range maneuvers and capturing vast amounts of territory under generals like Grant and Sherman. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] If you are comparing Ohio and New York specifically on capturing land, Ohio is the clear winner. While New York had more men, they were stuck in the "Virginia Stalemate" for three years. Ohio troops were the ones actually moving the map. The Comparison * Ohio (The Land-Takers): Ohio regiments were the backbone of the Western armies. They fought in the campaigns that actually subtracted states from the Confederacy. By the end of 1863, Ohio troops had helped capture almost all of Kentucky, Tennessee, and the Mississippi River Valley. In 1864, they were the primary force marching through Georgia and the Carolinas. * New York (The Defenders): Most New York troops were in the Army of the Potomac. From 1861 to early 1864, they essentially fought over the same few dozen miles of dirt in Northern Virginia. They won massive, heroic battles (like Gettysburg), but those were defensive victories that didn't "capture" territory so much as protect the North. Lastly and of most importance Comparing the two states, Ohio is home to the clearly superior college football legacy, primarily driven by the Ohio State Buckeyes, who are consistently ranked as one of the greatest programs in history. While New York has significant historical success from programs like Army and Syracuse, they have not matched Ohio's modern dominance or overall volume of championships. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Ohio: A Modern and Historical Juggernaut Ohio is anchored by Ohio State, which is frequently cited as the #1 or #2 program of all time in terms of win percentage, weeks ranked, and consistency. [1, 2, 3] * National Titles: Ohio State claims 9 national championships (1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014, and most recently in 2024). * Heisman Excellence: The state boasts 7 Heisman Trophies from Ohio State alone, including the only two-time winner, Archie Griffin. * Recent Dominance: Entering the 2026 season, Ohio State remains a top-5 team nationally. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] O. H. I. O. #1!! |
The Virtual Armchair General  | 05 May 2026 1:32 p.m. PST |
On the whole, and I think in keeping with the sense of the original question,… Virginia. TVAG |
Der Alte Fritz  | 05 May 2026 9:02 p.m. PST |
Without a doubt it has to be New York, the state that gave us Daniel Sickles. |
Old Contemptible  | 06 May 2026 2:49 a.m. PST |
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Parzival  | 06 May 2026 7:06 a.m. PST |
Alabama (Northern), Tennessee (Eastern), North Carolina (Western) supplied significant troops to the Union Army from Unionist enclaves largely from the back hills and hollows of the Appalachians. The 1st Alabama Volunteer Union Cavalry fought in several battles, most notably under Sherman in his "March to the Sea." All told, nearly 1/4 of the Union Army were troops from Southern states, and the majority of these were white men, not former/escaped slaves. Had those numbers gone the other way, the Confederacy might well have won the war. So, we all need to say a deep "Thank You" to the hillbillies, ‘cause they won the War. |
| donlowry | 07 May 2026 9:23 a.m. PST |
I think that war established that the whole (Union) was more than the sum of its parts (states). |
35thOVI  | 07 May 2026 12:56 p.m. PST |
Nope It could only be Ohio! Through Kentucky and to the Sea with Sherman and Thomas. (We even magnanimously allowed other states to join in) Ohio generals that finally made a winner out of the Army of the Potomac (Grant and Sheridan) Ohio Generals that finally cleared the Shenandoah (Sheridan and Custer) The men who stole the Confederate train "The General" in Georgia on April 12, 1862—known as [Andrews' Raiders]—were primarily volunteer Union soldiers from the 2nd, 21st, and 33rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry Regiments. 5 future presidents fought in civil war from Ohio. It was Ohio that Lincoln finally came to for ultimate leadership, to lead the way to victory. As Lee said when he heard Ohio entered the war: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve," We hear the Confederate battle cry sent a chill up your spine. But for the Confederacy, it was the feared: "Buckeye Battle Cry" that set their knees to quaking. Buckeye Battle Cry – YouTube YouTube link Yes, sends a chill up my spine. 😉 |
| donlowry | 08 May 2026 8:58 a.m. PST |
While Grant was born and raised in Ohio, he was living in Illinois when the war began, and it was Illinois (primarily Congressman Elihu Washburn) who gave him his start. (Colonel of the 21st Illinois, then recommended for brigadier general by the Illinois Congressional delegation, and at the top of that list.) Lincoln said: "I think to lose Kentucky is nearly the same as to lose the whole game", further stating that he hoped to have God on his side, but had to have Kentucky.* So it could be argued that Kentucky was the most important single state. (Disclaimer: I was born in Kentucky, as were both Lincoln and Davis.) * Nicolay, John; Hay, John (eds.). Works of Lincoln (V ed.). p. 117. |
35thOVI  | 08 May 2026 10:31 a.m. PST |
Nah Lincoln was just scared of Mary and her relatives there. 😉 Kentucky? Oh you mean future Southern Ohio? We are offering to make them our beloved southern counties. 😂 I even left out Generals like Rosecrans, who was actually very successful until his breakdown at Chickamauga. If we based it on where they lived at the beginning of the war, Ohio would have to claim McClellan! I think not! 😡 |
| MiniatureWargaming dot com | 09 May 2026 10:06 p.m. PST |
Maryland. If Maryland secedes as a slave holding state, Washington DC is surrounded. |
| donlowry | 10 May 2026 3:21 p.m. PST |
Ohio? Oh, you mean Kentucky's northeast annex. |
35thOVI  | 14 May 2026 4:51 a.m. PST |
"Ohio? Oh, you mean Kentucky's northeast annex." Only in their fantasies. |
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