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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2026 5:56 p.m. PST

Looking into the 1944 separate panzer brigades, and my information on their recon element is scanty and inconsistent. Tango had a nice piece on the 107th, suggesting a platoon and Sdkfz 251's. (Thank you, Tango.) Elsewhere I've seen references to companies and Sdkfz 250's. Can anyone nail down unit size and/or equipment associated with any particular one of the brigades?

Thanks.

jekinder18 Apr 2026 8:10 p.m. PST

The 101-110 Brigades have one platoon of infantry with whatever transport is available: motor-cycle, VW, or Sd251. The 111-113 Brigades have a small company with one platoon as above and one platoon of whatever Armored Car is available: Sd-222, Sd-234/1 or Sd-250/9.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2026 3:52 a.m. PST

Excellent! Thank you. Source?

Starfury Rider19 Apr 2026 5:54 a.m. PST

There were scout and recce elements allowed for in the KStN. Given the somewhat extemporised nature of the Panzer Bdes I understand there was a lot of variation in the actual org used.

The Scout Platoon was shown as being equipped with Ketten-krad or motorcycle combinations. One Squad with six machines and drivers carrying eight men and two LMGs, and four smaller Squads, each with five men, one LMG, one light car and one K-Krad or M/C.

The Recce Platoon is shown with seven SdKfz 251 halftracks, interestingly four are shown as 251/5 types and the other three as normal 251/1 types. HQ has a single 251/5 and each of the three Squads a 251/5 and 251/1. Each Squad has two NCOs, eight riflemen (with two LMGs) and two drivers.

As I understand, the Scout Platoon was more for route recce, while the halftrack Platoon was for proper recce work. Its org was a direct lift from the Staff Company of the Tiger Battalion under the July 1944 fG KStN. The preceding KStN from late 1943 had shown the Tiger Bn equivalent with seven 250s rather than 251 halftracks.

I think the absence of a strong recce element has been highlighted as a weakness in the overall organisation of the Panzer Brigades; there was no Recce Pl in the sawn-off Panzer Battalion either, leaving just a handful of halftracks with a modest dismount or a unit specific expedient.

Gary

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2026 5:58 a.m. PST

I had a look here: PDF link

P27 onwards. There is no specific mention of recon elements for 101-110. 111 is mentioned as having Armoured Recon company, 112 and 113 as Panzer recon company. What those comprise is not stated.

However this thread from 2001 is useful regarding equipment:
link

Or I could be totally wrong.

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