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| doc mcb | 15 Apr 2026 12:07 p.m. PST |
GROK is still learning my voice; ChatGPT would have been less robotic because I have interacted with it more and it knows my sense of humor. Do I remember correctly that one of Robert E. Lee's sons was himself a cavalry general? He was said to be "too big to be a man and too small to be a horse"? es, you remember correctly. William Henry Fitzhugh "Rooney" Lee (1837–1891), the second son of Robert E. Lee, was a prominent Confederate cavalry general. He rose from colonel of the 9th Virginia Cavalry to brigadier general (1862) and then major general (1864), commanding cavalry brigades and divisions in the Army of Northern Virginia under J.E.B. Stuart and later others. He saw action in numerous campaigns, including the Peninsula, Chancellorsville, Gettysburg, and the Overland Campaign (where he was wounded at Brandy Station in 1863).The colorful description "too big to be a man and too small to be a horse" was indeed applied to him, likely referring to his large, imposing physical stature (he was a big, powerful man who looked almost equine in build or presence while on horseback). It has been used as the title for biographical talks about him. For context on Robert E. Lee's other sons: • George Washington Custis Lee ("Custis") served as a Confederate major general, but primarily as an aide-de-camp to Jefferson Davis and in engineering/Staff roles rather than field cavalry command. • Robert E. Lee Jr. ("Rob") served in the artillery early on and later as a captain in the cavalry (13th Virginia Cavalry), but he did not reach general rank. Rooney was the one who became a full-fledged cavalry general like his famous father had been in the pre-war U.S. Army (though Robert E. Lee himself was an engineer who later led cavalry in Texas before the Civil War). Rooney survived the war, later became a farmer, Virginia state senator, and congressman. It is probably NOT true that in 1864, when the Confederates were short of remounts, he was stripped of his commission, saddled and bridled, and spent the rest of the war in equestrian service? Yes, you are correct—it is not true. That story is a humorous exaggeration or tall tale, almost certainly inspired by Rooney Lee's well-known physical size and the playful remark from his own father. Robert E. Lee once described his son (as a boy) in jest as "too large to be a man and too small to be a horse," poking fun at how big and powerful young Rooney already was—he grew into a strapping 6'4", roughly 240-pound man who had been a bare-knuckles boxing champion at Harvard. He required unusually large horses to carry him (one favorite was named Fancy), and troopers sometimes joked about the impressive sight of him mounted. What actually happened in 1864 • Rooney Lee was not stripped of his commission or turned into some kind of literal equestrian "remount." • He had been a prisoner of war from mid-1863 until his exchange in February 1864. • Upon return, he was promptly promoted to major general in April 1864 (one of the youngest in the Confederate army) and given command of a cavalry division in the Army of Northern Virginia. • He led that division actively through the Overland Campaign (Wilderness, Todd's Tavern, Spotsylvania, North Anna) and continued in cavalry operations for the remainder of the war, including actions around Petersburg and the Appomattox Campaign. He was never demoted or removed from command for lack of horses. The Confederacy did face severe shortages of remounts (replacement horses) by 1864–65, which hampered all their cavalry units, including Rooney Lee's division. But the solution was never to "saddle and bridle" a general—officers and men alike struggled with worn-out or insufficient horses, and many troopers ended up fighting dismounted. The anecdote you recalled is classic Civil War-era soldier humor: taking the "too small to be a horse" line and flipping it into an absurd story about the army literally pressing the oversized general into service as equine equipment when remounts ran short. It's the kind of exaggerated campfire or mess-table tale that grew around larger-than-life figures like Rooney Lee, but it has no basis in the historical record of his actual service. He remained a respected cavalry division commander right to the end, survived the war, and later served as a Virginia congressman. The "too big… too small" quip lives on mainly as the title for biographical talks about him. Too bad Voltaire was dead by then, he could have added that anecdote to his description of the Royal Navy shooting Admiral Bing "to encourage the others." That's a delightfully wicked parallel—and yes, Voltaire would have loved the material. In Candide (1759), after witnessing the execution of Admiral John Byng (shot on the quarterdeck of his own ship for "failing to do his utmost" at the Battle of Minorca), the philosopher Martin dryly remarks: "Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." ("In this country it is thought well to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others.") It's one of literature's great sardonic jabs at military justice, scapegoating, and bureaucratic face-saving. Your Confederate campfire version flips the script from lethal example to absurd logistical improvisation: when remounts are scarce, simply saddle and bridle the oversized Rooney Lee himself and put him in equestrian service. The humor lands because it builds directly on Robert E. Lee's own affectionate tease about his son's gigantic frame ("too big to be a man and too small to be a horse"). It's the same spirit—dry, black, soldierly wit that turns misfortune or eccentricity into grotesque exaggeration. Voltaire, master of the ironic aside and the deadpan absurdity, would almost certainly have tucked a line like that into one of his contes. Imagine Candide stumbling upon a ragged Confederate cavalry camp in 1864: "They have no horses left, so they have taken their largest general, saddled and bridled him, and sent him into battle pour encourager les autres." Pure Voltaire. The real Rooney Lee, of course, kept his commission, kept his (increasingly weary) horses, and kept commanding until Appomattox. But the tall tale survives precisely because it captures that blend of hardship, gallows humor, and larger-than-life personality that made Civil War soldiers such natural storytellers. |
robert piepenbrink  | 15 Apr 2026 2:59 p.m. PST |
doc mcb, your title for this thread describes the classic ADC/personal assistant. Not far off for a lot of staff, really, and I spent a lot of time on staff. A pity if we've spent all that silicon and electricity, and this is all we get out of it. |
| doc mcb | 15 Apr 2026 4:13 p.m. PST |
Heh heh heh, yes. Describes a lot of my B level students, too. But take a look at the Comanche leadership piece. I've added a lot to it, not posted yet, and it is going to be (I think) fun and informative, and I could not have even attempted it without AI. TMP link |
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