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Tango0111 Apr 2026 1:57 p.m. PST

…Operation Dove


"But there is a far darker wartime story hiding in the background. During World War II, figures inside the IRA tried to build a covert relationship with Germany's military intelligence service, the Abwehr. It sounds like a conspiracy thriller, but it was real, and it ended with a failed U-boat mission called Operation Dove…"


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Armand

Robert Burke11 Apr 2026 5:18 p.m. PST

Your heading is misleading! The IRA was not the Irish government.

Betweemn 70,000 and 100,000 Irishmen from the Irish Free State joined the British Army in WWII to fight the Nazis.

Tango0111 Apr 2026 5:33 p.m. PST

Thanks


Armand

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2026 5:51 p.m. PST

Éamon deValera did send condolences to Germany when he heard that Hitler had died. 🙄
But then, he's the son of a bitch who ordered the assassination of Michael Collins.

AussieAndy11 Apr 2026 9:08 p.m. PST

De Valera signed the condolence book at the German Embassy. They already knew about the death camps by then. I understand, however, that recent research indicates that Ireland did more to help the Allies than was previously thought.

Robert Burke12 Apr 2026 1:21 a.m. PST

What proof do you have deValera ordered the assassination of Michael Collins?

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 5:50 a.m. PST

Anyone cosying up to Hitler is obviously not going to get a lot of sympathy.

But you can understand, if not agree, with the Finns actually doing it & the IRA contemplating it – my enemy's enemy is my friend.

Ireland in the C20th is such a fraught subject, I think it wise not to jump to any snap judgements.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 6:08 a.m. PST

Some information related to ww2, Ireland and those who served and did not serve.

"Irish soldiers faced stigma and shame when returning home from fighting in World War II.

The book "Returning Home" (2012) is by the Galway historian Bernard Kelly, and investigates the shameful way the estimated 12,000 Irish veterans who returned to Ireland after the end of the Second World War were treated."

"You would think that after fighting Hitler's armies, the returning ex-servicemen would have gotten a hero's welcome home.

But they didn't.

Instead, they came back to a country that was scornful of, ignorant of, and indifferent to what they had been through. In many cases, they faced open hostility. Their service in the British forces was seen by many at home as anti-national, almost traitorous.""
….

"But at the very least, the sacrifice made by thousands of Irish people who volunteered to fight Hitler should have been recognized when they came back. After fighting the Nazis the 12,000 Irish veterans deserved that much.

Instead, they came back to a country where their attitude to them was so poisonous they quickly learned to keep their war service secret.

Even worse, of the 12,000 Irish veterans, an estimated 5,000 had deserted from the Irish Army to join the British and fight Hitler, and they faced potentially severe punishment when they returned home.

All of the veterans also had a practical reason for keeping their mouths shut – they came back to a country that was severely depressed, and being an ex-serviceman did not help in the search for a job."

Subject: World War II – Irish soldiers faced hostility arriving home


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In addition:

"In the aftermath of World War II, Ireland became a refuge for an estimated 100 to 200 former Nazis and collaborators. While most major war criminals fled to South America via "ratlines,"
Ireland served as both a permanent sanctuary for some..

Notable Individuals

Several high-profile figures settled in Ireland, often living openly and even becoming respected members of the community:

Otto "Scarface" Skorzeny: Once called "the most dangerous man in Europe," this SS commando famously rescued Mussolini. He bought Martinstown House, a 160-acre farm in County Kildare, in 1959. Although never granted permanent residency, he was a celebrity figure in Dublin's social circles.

Andrija Artuković: Known as the "Butcher of the Balkans" for his role in the genocide of up to one million people in Croatia. He lived in the Dublin suburb of Rathgar in 1947 under a false name, posing as a history professor, before moving to the U.S..

Albert Folens: A Flemish SS collaborator who fled a death sentence in Belgium. He settled in Ireland and founded Folens Publishers, which became the country's leading educational textbook company.

Pieter Menten: A wealthy Dutch Nazi who committed atrocities in Poland. He lived in a mansion in County Waterford starting in 1964 until he was eventually tried and imprisoned in the Netherlands decades later.

Helmut Clissmann: A former German spy who had worked with the IRA during the war. He returned to Ireland after the war and became a successful businessman."

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 7:25 a.m. PST

Did Éamon have them over for tea?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 7:54 a.m. PST

Nah! Saved the good stuff.
Coffee I think.
Tasted like Nescafé instant when I was there both times 🤮

Tea 👍

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 8:47 a.m. PST

As for "proof", my grandmother (the one who called me an omodhaun) couldn't stand him, and the movie strongly hints at it. That's all the proof I need!

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 8:50 a.m. PST

The enemy of my enemy can still be another enemy, but ranked a little bit lower.
Being the enemy of my enemy doesn't make him a Good Guy. Just convenient.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2026 11:47 a.m. PST

That opening photo on the link is some of the worst CGI I have ever seen. The German officer's Uniform (the collar patches, the cuffs) defies description. The 2020s beard on the Irish soldier, the awful colourisation. The stares of both not even remotely making eye contact.

So an illegal organisation in Ireland had a few very right wingers who saw an opportunity in Nazi Germany's early success. Most European countries had such, as did our Trans-Atlantic cousins.

That is a very different issue to Eire's role in WWII (which was indeed shameful in many ways) and Dev was far from the saint that my mother thought him (but she was from Tipp and related to Dan Breen)

Tango0112 Apr 2026 5:13 p.m. PST

Thanks also…


Armand

clibinarium14 Apr 2026 4:25 a.m. PST

The article's headline is so ridiculous the article itself contradicts it. You might as well write "England's secret plan…." on the basis that Oswald Mosley was knocking around.

People underestimate the hostility of Ireland towards its former colonial master, as it has largely faded. My grandmother envinced a dislike of Britian all her life. Not individual people, but certainly the state ("anyone but England" in sport too). She voted for Charles Haughey (an undoubted scoundrel) all her life, because she had been a student in Dublin when he tore the Union Jack down at Trinity College.

To understand that way of thinking, you have to imagine that your country has been occupied by a neighbouring empire for centuries and that they only left around 2007 after a war of independence, and they still hold on to a quarter of the country. They then appeal for help against another empire (which you don't fully understand the evil of at this point).
Would you be rushing to help this ancestral enmeny? Its not a simple question.

Tango0114 Apr 2026 5:03 p.m. PST

I have visited Ireland because of my Irish wife… you are right clibinarium … any love for the British there…


Armand

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