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Personal logo Saginaw Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 8:52 a.m. PST

The above image is from the British Army's 19th Regiment of Foot's ("The Green Howards") website. It says on there that it is a type of forage cap that was used in the 19th century, and that it was called a "Kilmarnock" or a "pork-pie" hat.

I'm somewhat familiar with it, but I'm guessing that it is a later version of it since I've seen similar examples in artwork and early photos of British soldiers from around the late-1830s to just before the Crimean War. What I'm looking for is from what year were they introduced (such as "18-- Pattern") and was there a progression of design for them?

Thank you.

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Frederick Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 10:25 a.m. PST

That particularly unappealing headwear is indeed a Kilmarnock cap, of Scottish origin and introduced into British (and Canadian militia) service about 1834 to replace the various forage caps worn on a regimental basis since about 1811 and were used by line infantry until 1868 when they were replaced by the Glengarry – Highland regiments adopted the Glengarry bonnet about 1851

Hope this is useful

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 12:53 p.m. PST

"That particularly unappealing headwear"

Really, sir!

I would say that it has functional elegance. Made from wool, it is naturally weather-resistant and practical while maintaining a sharp, clean look.

bobspruster Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 2:46 p.m. PST

Ochoin. It's ugly as sin.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 3:23 p.m. PST

I am so insulted I shall hold my breath until I turn as blue as I suspect the bonnet is!

I'll award a prize to anyone who can tell me the name of the bobble on top of the bonnet (without looking it up) & its traditional colour.

My Uncle's WW2 Tam hangs on a wall over my desk & has one (but it's Khaki, of course).

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 3:44 p.m. PST

It's the unholy offspring of a kepi and a bonnet.

oldjarhead31 Mar 2026 3:54 p.m. PST

Ochoin, it's called a tourie and traditionally it is red in color. Colin

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2026 7:05 p.m. PST

+1 for Colin.

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