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Korvessa03 Mar 2026 10:31 a.m. PST

Most of the information I have comems from the book "Born a Soldier." amazon.com/Born-Soldier-Times-Larry-Thorne/dp/1439214379
1: You often hear that he fought for three armies (Finland, Germany, US) but according to the book I mentioned above (which I don't have in front of me at the moment) it doesn't appear that he actually fought with the Germans, just trained with him.
I know he joind the Finnish Volunteer SS Battalion (it was eventually renamed III/Nordland/Wiking), but the book says he, along with many others, was sent home before they were ever engaged in combat because of an overabundance of officers.
Likewise when the continuation War was over, he escaped to Germany and was trained in Commandeo type activity by Sonderkommando Nord, but the book makes it sound like the war ended before he finished the training. It doesn't mention him being involved in any fighting.
I know he received an Iron Cross, but so did lots of other Finns who never served in the German Army. I suspect it was awarded based on what he did while in the Finnish Army, not anything he did for the Germans. Is this correct?

2: I remember once readng a quote from future president Maunu Koivisto (who served in his unit) that they were "Poorly lead." As I recall it had something to do with not sharing info with subordinates. Anyone have more info on that?

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP03 Mar 2026 11:19 a.m. PST

Wikipedia and other sites refer to the training period – but also mention a period he actually fought in the German army

" He attended saboteur training in Germany, after which he joined a German unit fighting the Red Army near Schwerin. He fought with the Wehrmacht until mid-1945, when he surrendered to the British Army and was sent to a prisoner of war camp."
link

Thanks for bringing up the top – Had no idea he was buried in Arlington National Cemetery – Quite the military journey

Korvessa03 Mar 2026 12:59 p.m. PST

Part of the reason I asked is I question the accuracy of Google. For example, when I googled when did he earn his Iron Cross, I got this:
Lauri Törni earned the Iron Cross 2nd Class on December 11, 1943. This decoration was awarded during his service with the German military (specifically the Waffen-SS Finnish Volunteer Battalion) during World War II

The problem is he wasn't in the SS in 1943. My book (which to my unlearned eye looks well researched) says he joined the Finnish Volunteer SS battalion in June of 1941, but he retunred to Finland on July 23 – about 5 weeks later, long before the Finnish SS battalion entered combat.

The book says he began his commando training in January 1945 and stayed there until the end of April. The author then says there are two versions of what happened next.

The first states he left at the head of a battalion of German Marines and fought at the front for a few days before surrendering to the Allies, escaped from the POW camp and made his way to Finland.
The author finds the second version more credible (based upon an eye witness who was with him). It's a longer story, but basically in late April he and a companion left for Berlin to join Steiner's III Army. Although they found him, they never actually particiapted in combat and he and a companion were captured by the Americans on May 3rd.
So according to this book, it looks like he trained with the SS a couple of times for short periods, but never actually fought with them.

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