"So does the Iranian regime finally fall THIS TIME?" Topic

John go back through TMP threads.

You and others have had Pete out since the "Ol Leak". 😉

Better hope he stays, because I may be next in line and if you think Trump is volatile….. well you ain't seen nothing. 😏

For all the blustering about degrading the ayatollahs, everyone surviving has a personal vendetta.
Still think a regime change is in the cards?

We don't even know if he's alive -- they swore fealty to a cardboard cut-out. So maybe we have to keep killing off the regime's equivalent of Nazi Party leadership there to get to the leadership layer of opportunistic regime supporters who more interested in survival than paradise.

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Iran's nuclear chief said on Thursday that demands by adversaries to limit the country's uranium enrichment program would fail.

Head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran said such calls were "wishful thinking" and could not stop Iran's nuclear activities.

"No law or individual can stop us," Mohammad Eslami said, adding that past actions by adversaries, including the current war, had failed."

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The nuclear chief is probably just bigging up an untenable position. He's unlikely to just hand his resignation in on the basis nuclear ain't gonna work. Experience: managed near successful nuclear programme. Open to work.

On the other hand.
What if the first bombing was not a total surprise and materials had already been moved?
I don't know how likely that is but it doesn't seem impossibly so. Extremists may seem off their heads but that doesn't mean they're stupid.

Even if alive SB, if rumors of his sexual proclivities are true, how could they follow him?

"For those who follow fundamentalist or strictly traditional beliefs, homosexuality is viewed as a major and manifest sin that is explicitly forbidden by the Quran. This perspective is primarily based on a literal reading of the story of the Prophet Lut (Lot) and the destruction of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah

Fundamentalists interpret several Quranic passages as clear condemnations of same-sex acts:

Surah al-A'raf (7:80-81): Lut berates his people, saying, "Indeed, you approach men with lust instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people".

Surah Ash-Shu'ara (26:165-166): Lut asks, "Do you approach males among the worlds and leave what your Lord has created for you as mates? But you are a people transgressing".

Surah an-Naml (27:54-55): Lut characterizes the act of men approaching men with desire as "behaving ignorantly". "

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"Key Fundamentalist Beliefs

Deviation from Nature (Fitrah): Homosexuality is seen as a violation of human nature (fitrah) and the natural order created by God, which is viewed as exclusively heteronormative.

Unequivocal Prohibition: Groups like the Australian National Imams Council state there is "no doubt" and "never been any debate" among traditional scholars that practicing homosexuality is a major sin.

Distinction Between Desire and Action: Some conservative views acknowledge that having same-sex attractions may be a "divine trial" or test from God, but they maintain that acting on those desires remains strictly prohibited.
Theatrical Punishment: Extremist groups, such as the Islamic State (IS), have used these Quranic narratives to justify severe physical punishments, including death, claiming they are carrying out "heavenly vengeance" for what they term "moral degeneration""

Andy, I'd doubt that. Not because of our intelligence so much, but because of what Israel has proven themselves to know.

Their intelligence since the October surprise, has been amazing.

Even if alive SB, if rumors of his sexual proclivities are true, how could they follow him?

I think there's a high likliehood he's dead or incapacitated and being used as a "figure head" by an IRGC cabal to justify their actions.

Is he homosexual?
Ah, yes. "Rumors". 🙄

It is said daddy was not fond of him. If alive, amazing "chance" to have stepped out just in time to avoid ☠️. When most of the "family" did not.

Some, like don corleone, might say too coincidentally. 🤔

Wonder if he speaks Hebrew?

OVI +1

SBm +1

Anyone who thinks that "the Iranian people" wish to overthrow the Regime needs to adjust their medication.

Maybe you should check your own ?

No matter how much they might hate the ayatollahs, they aren't the ones who were bombing them.
After that bombing blitz, insane threats to "end their civilization", insults to their religion, they're going to embrace the West?

That is not accurate. Most of the population hates their islamist leaders. However, there is minority who supports this draconian regime. But those are a small minority …

Did the Blitz make the British suddenly wish to become Nazis? Or did it harden their hatred?

Wow talk about a stretch ! The vast majority Brits never hated their gov't. Verses 85+% of Iran's population wants their islamic abusers gone. I can't believe you or anyone would think that was any kind of valid comparison. Check your meds ?

How did "hearts and minds" work in Vietnam, when we were bombing and killing everyone wearing "black pajamas"?

No generally it didn't. But again you try to shoehorn another inaccurate comparison to fit your narrative. However, anyone who knows history … or even has common sense can see your comments border on hyperbole, or just plain looking to be contrary … Which seems to be one of your predilections … Or you just like trying to act annoying ?

Where was the popular uprising against Hitler, when we were bombing the hell out of them?

Again another strained attempt at comparison. Not to waste anymore we don't need to go into Hitler in WWII. Like some of your other attempts … It does not go beyond the surface. One does not have to dig too far down … to see your comments are strained at best.

Hegseth allegedly on the way out.

Again more media bias and bull . By many measures he has been very successful turning the US Military into a very effective lethal force. With all his successes being Sec of War. Your [or others]wishful thinking about his demise is greatly exaggerated.

You did say Gabbard was a short timer too ? You missed that prophecy as well. Not sure if you said anything about Noem or Bondi ? But based on your record no bets needed to be placed …

John

Now Pete "out again" is a rumor. 😉

The new Ayatollah, or cutout, being gay has been out there since 2008. In 2008 a rumor. But since, reported by multiple intelligence agencies, including ours.

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"According to reports from intelligence officials and media outlets, the claims are based on several factors:

Long-term Affair: Intelligence presented to the president suggested that Mojtaba Khamenei had a decades-long sexual relationship with his male childhood tutor.

Behavior in Recovery: After being injured in the February 2026 airstrikes that killed his father, Ali Khamenei, Mojtaba reportedly made "aggressive" sexual advances toward the male medical staff caring for him, though some sources suggest this may have been influenced by heavy medication.

Opposition from Ali Khamenei: U.S. spy agencies indicated that the late Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was aware of these rumors and feared his son's sexuality made him an unsuitable successor for a repressive theocracy that capitalizes on executing gay people.

Historical Rumors: Rumors regarding Mojtaba's personal life have reportedly circulated privately within Iran for years. A 2008 WikiLeaks cable also noted that he had traveled to London for medical treatments related to "impotence" after failing to produce children early in his marriage, which fueled further speculation."

OVI +1

OFM -5

My point about Vietnam is that Will can outlast Might.
Despite the OORAH boasting here, we have NOT knocked Iran out.
So, say what you want.

Have we put boots on the ground to confiscate uranium? Does anyone really think that's doable?
Dream on.

Rumors are most often perpetrated by enemies. Gleefully believe them if you wish.
As Doc Holliday said to Ringo, "Credat Judaeus Apella. Non ego."

Credat scriba bellicus Hegsethem, non ego.
I made that up. 😄

My point about Vietnam is that Will can outlast Might.

Yep, that's true. The US had won in Vietnam until the DEMOCRATS decided to lose. Yep, Nixon has successfully "Vietnamized" the war, resulting in a stable South Vietnam military capable of doing most of the heavy fighting with US logistics and air support.

* The 1972 Easter Offensive was a massive ground invasion by the North, by which time most US ground troops had left. The ARVN defeated the North with US air support.

* 1973 and 1974 the North launched multiple division sized attacks at South Vietnam. ARVN defeated these incursions and even regained some lost territory with US logistics support and aid.

HOWEVER, in 1974 the "Anti-War" Democrats took control of the House and took these major steps that sharply limited support for South Vietnam.

*Banned ALL further U.S. combat operations, bombing, or direct military involvement in Vietnam (and neighboring countries) — even if North Vietnam violated the peace deal.

* Aid Cuts: Reduced military aid significantly. For FY1975, Congress appropriated only $700 USD million (after the administration requested $1.45 USD billion). They also cut off most financial and humanitarian aid.

These actions left South Vietnam facing severe shortages of fuel, ammo, and spare parts while North Vietnam rebuilt with Soviet/Chinese help. When the North attacked in 1975, they did so with armor and mechanized assault brigades, not pajama-clad guerillas. Their airforce was flown by Soviet pilots leading flights of North Vietnamese pilots. They conducted a massive ground invasion.

During the invasion, Democrats invoked the War Powers Resolution and blocked the ability to commit U.S. forces to aid South Vietnam. They further cut off supplies and munitions shipments and blocked financial aid packages to the South.

This was a DELIBERATE LOSS. The result was the South Asian diaspora and the Killing Fields of Cambodia. Thanks, Democrats!

I think you make a lot of things up.

And again Vietnam was very much of a different situation …

You can learn lessons … but sometimes the wrong lessons are learned. And you don't know it …

But you can deny that if you want … but it won't change the reality.

naDev vo' ylghoS jlSaHbe'

Do you spit on the ground when you say "Democrats"? 🤔

That would be 3744 virgins if anyone is keeping count.

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Do you spit on the ground when you say "Democrats"? 🤔

No, only certain ones, and I reserve some spit for select Republicans as well.

As for Vietnam, one of my friends as a kid had escaped the South on one of the last planes out of Saigon as it fell. His dad was ARVN airforce and on a death list. He had multiple family members executed by the Communists.

I met his cousin who had escaped as a "Boat Person" and endured horrors at sea and in a refugee camp in Malaysia before getting sponsored to the US. He described his journey, it was shocking.

Another Vietnamese gentleman I knew also escaped by boat, and he said "for every survivor like me you meet, remember two other people died trying to get out." In general, Grok says 33% death rate -- which is still insane.

And I met Haing Ngor, whose account was told in the movie The Killing Fields, at a university lecture. Let me tell you, what they showed in the movie is the sweetness and light version of what he experienced -- what he really went through would want to make you vomit with despair.

So yeah, the particular Boomer-Gen "Anti-War" Democrats are all very spittle worthy.

Deal or no deal, Iran war has birthed a new world order

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What if the Cavalry Isn't Coming?

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Armand

Do you spit on the ground when you say "Democrats"?

Does anyone ? Seems like a waste of time … and maybe even spit ?

My recent comments on this thread are directly relevant to the TITLE OF THIS THREAD. Can we rely on Regime Change, which, btw, POTUS ran for president condemning. 🙄

While Vietnam was a big factor on TV, I remember reading in Time, etc, about "body counts" and seeing them on TV, to show we were "winning".
Somehow… I didn't put much faith in them. I was a cynical YFM. My draft number came in at 350, so I didn't have to test my cynicism.
The relative "Them vs Us" counts were … obscene. It demonstrated that this was the best they could do to justify Death.
What was the base we defended so valiantly, but gave right back as soon as the Commies stopped trying to take it? Khe Sanh? Something like that. Boys my age were dying, while I was back home failing to get laid.

Hegseth reminds me exactly of the MacNamara types, talking about "body counts". Do not expect me to show him any respect.
To quote that political philosopher Karl Guevara (Che Marx?) "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce."

One thing America learned from Vietnam was a bizarre way of claiming "Victory".
When all else fails, blame Democrats.

Trump NEVER announced regime change as a goal. He's always consistently said the goal is defang Iran – kill its nuke program, destroy its military so it can no longer project power. Regime change would be nice, but quit creating artificial goal posts.

SBm +1

The Trump administration happily runs down the list of ablated Ayatollahs and Mullahs.
Colin Jost, excuse me, Pete Hegseth, chants the hard to pronounce Persian names, barking DEAD! after each. (Actually, I doubt that he spends much time learning the correct pronunciation.)
Oh, that's not Regime Change? 🙄🤔🤷
Pray tell, what would you call it?

John go back through TMP threads.

You and others have had Pete out since the "Ol Leak". 😉

Oh, I admit. A lot of it is wishful thinking. 😄
Once Trump has gotten rid of all the hot women in the cabinet, it's time to go after those who might have uttered a discouraging word 4 years ago.

"Oh, that's not Regime Change? 🙄🤔🤷
Pray tell, what would you call it?"

Ok, not a question for me, but I'm all confused now. 🤪

We've got a large group of Trump haters saying "there has been NO regime change!", so it's all a disaster and an utter failure.

Now you, who admittedly can't stand Trump or any of his appointees, saying there is a regime change and it's all a disaster! ??

Will you Trump haters (and a few US haters) get it together please!! 🤪😉

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IMHP
Regime change has obviously happened. Intentionally or not, planned or not.
At least 58 top leaders sniffing for virgins now. ☠️
So who or whomever is at the top, is new.
As to their beliefs, we just don't know yet.
Still "fog of war".

Just like during Iraq, you can't believe any of the narrative coming from their sources. They are putting up a front to try and retain power internally. I doubt any trust the other.

The Guard still have the guns. 💪
We know they are indoctrinated radicals.

The people? Well they seem to want someone else to do the heavy lifting for them. Maybe the 40,000 dead took out their heart and backbone

Must have been easier when they made the current mess of their country in 78.

Was the Shah more brutal than these? Doubtful.

But then he had no support left to stay in power when Jimmy cut and ran. 😏

Trump never called for Regime change?
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Ablating and killing 56 to get exactly the same type of leader is a failure.
Iran is not America or Britain. Ablating our leadership will indeed get you different results.
What I am saying is that boasting about all the people you have killed, but getting the same types of people still in charge is an ATTEMPT at Regime Change, but a failure.

"US sends additional forces to Middle East ahead of Iran talks – WSJ
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The United States is deploying more military forces to the Middle East ahead of planned talks with Iran, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

The report said the buildup includes additional troops and military assets positioned for possible operations, as Washington pursues diplomacy while maintaining pressure on Tehran.

"US deployments in recent weeks have included Marines, warships and other assets, part of a broader reinforcement of its regional presence," the report added."

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John, just heard him on the tarmac live, saying regime change was not a goal.

WP requires a subscription. I refuse to subscribe to any.

Cheer up. Just heard Kamala say she is seriously thinking of running again. She was talking to Al Sharpton. Yes, she sounded like she had been into the minibar in the hotel room before hand. 🍷

Maybe she will appoint Al head of race relations. 😉

That's what he's saying today. lol
Get back to me next Wednesday.

Even the Democrats never took Kamala seriously.
Don't go pulling Logical Fallacy on me claiming I would prefer her. 🙄
Hillary? Maybe? 😄 She could be a vicious bitch when needed. 🙄🤔

That was the only option open for you.. then we would all have been burdened by what had been. 😱😉

I boycotted the last presidential election. But I voted in the locals.
So I cannot be held responsible for this….

OVI +1

SBm +1

Pete Hegseth, chants the hard to pronounce Persian names, barking DEAD! after each. (Actually, I doubt that he spends much time learning the correct pronunciation.)

He is the best SecDef/now SecWar we have had in many years. He has a very good record fixing the damage that was caused by two other POTUSs … and we're not talking about Trump …

What I am saying is that boasting about all the people you have killed, but getting the same types of people still in charge is an ATTEMPT at Regime Change, but a failure.

But the conflict is not over … And between the US and IDF every time we kill some militant islamist leader. They just replace them and we kill them off again.

And according to many GEN/ADM Ret., etc. the almost total destruction of Iran's islamists leaders, IRGC, Basij, military assets, etc. By any measure the US is winning. But the shooting isn't over with yet … The cease fire is another islamist move to buy time. To try and play the infidels. Nothing new …

IMO soon more US and IDF forces will be dropping ordinance, etc.

Bottom line is what can these islamists really do ? Their only means of staying in power is closing down the Straits. And firing their remaining missiles, drones, etc.

And some intel says there are fractures in Iran's leadership. They may be more divided than was first believed.

But again this conflict is still not over with … yet.

He has spoken … watch this to the end …

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Legion

"And some intel says there are fractures in Iran's leadership. They may be more divided than was first believed."

It does seem many here, media, etc. look only for perceived weaknesses with the U.S., totally ignoring the 💩 show that must be internally happening in Iran. Not to mention their military assets.

But maybe it is not "ignoring", but more "hoping" for that elusive Trump humiliation moment.

+1 35th – there is some of that going on, I agree. It is not always easy to get beyond what POTUS says, as on Easter Sunday, to what he is trying to do, which 2/3 of the country opposes. He does not take opposition heat lightly.

But IMO on the whole we are not wrong to think Iran is capable of and probably likely pulling the next regime together. We characterize them as relentless and while they have been hit hard, they still seem in control of what's left, have enough crazies to replace the ones we killed, have enough clout to put us in a difficult strategic position regarding the big picture. The role Israel played in getting us into this is something that I would like to know more about.

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At last we are doing something right for a change.

Subject: Secretary Marco Rubio on X: "Masoumeh Ebtekar – also known as "Screaming Mary" – was the spokeswoman for the Islamic terrorists who stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979 and held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days – subjecting them to beatings, starvation, and mock executions. In 2014, the Obama" / X


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OVI +1 … again …

Wars Make or Break Presidencies

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Iran Crisis: This Is No Longer a Ceasefire — It's a Strategic Pause

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Iran's Shadow Victory: Losing Battles, Winning the War

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Iran's Next Move Is the Bomb—If the Regime Survives

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Armand

And even if we decide we were done, does not mean Israel will be.

"Israel's campaign in Iran not over yet, Netanyahu says

Mirna Alsharif
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Yarden Segev

Israel's campaign in Iran is "not over yet," Netanyahu said during remarks tonight.

The prime minister reiterated that Israel attacked Iran because it "was very close to obtaining nuclear weapons."

"All of this happened because we initiated it, we acted, we attacked," Netanyahu said about the war with Iran.

Netanyahu maintained that Israel has "made historic achievements" in Iran, including killing 12 nuclear scientists and attacking its nuclear facilities alongside the U.S."

"In a press conference delivered early Sunday morning from the Serena Hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan, Vice President JD Vance announced that Iran has "chosen not to accept our terms."

"The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement," Vance said. "And I think that's bad news for Iran, much more than it's bad news for the United States of America."

Vance clarified that the U.S. was unflinching in presenting its red lines during negotiations.

"So we go back to the United States, having not come to an agreement, we've made very clear what our red lines are, what things we're willing to accommodate them on, and what things we're not willing to accommodate them on," Vance added. "And we've made that as clear as we possibly could, and they have chosen not to accept our terms."

More information on the negotiations was not provided by the vice president at this time.

"Well, I won't go into all the details because I don't want to negotiate in public after we negotiated for 21 hours in private," Vance said."

I always got a kick out of reading Dune, when he wrote about the "Family Atomics". It's not that funny now.
"The only top secret thing about atomic weapons was that they worked. After that, it's just engineering."

"@VP
: "The simple fact is that we need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon, and they will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon.""

"The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement," Vance said. "And I think that's bad news for Iran, much more than it's bad news for the United States of America."

…and now we at least know where the leadership layer of IRGC negotiators are, eh? And maybe others left thier bunkers and hidey-holes giving us some location insight for BOOM!

SB I am making no guesses as to next. By the U.S. or by Israel.

I've tried to say on here, that Israel is a separate entity. Some think Israel does what the US says. We can heavily influence them, but if they disagree, they will go their own way.

I come off as an advocate for Israel. But I really see them as a useful ally. I don't fully trust them anymore than they fully trust the U.S. We are useful to each other. We get intelligence from them, much of it excellent. They get the same from us, plus money and weapons. So they are by far the winner.

But if they believe it is for their survival to do something that would be potentially against the U.S., they will do it.

To this day, I believe they bombed the USS Liberty for that exact reason.

But if it involved the survival of my country at the expense of Israel, I'd do the same.

But radical fundamentalist Islam is a malignant disease upon the world. One that must be fought continuously, or it will spread and eventually prove terminal.

Case in point:

29 minutes ago

"Israel's military chief ordered heightened readiness and preparations for potential strikes after US-Iran talks in Pakistan collapsed, according to Ynet.

The Sunday report said Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir instructed the military to expand target banks and have the air force prepare strike packages, though no decision on military action has been made."

Their leaders better climb back into their holes. 😉

Response just now:

"President Donald Trump announced a U.S. blockade on the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday.

Trump made the announcement in a post on his Truth Social account, blaming the failure to reach a deal with Iran during talks in Pakistan this weekend.

"So, there you have it, the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not. Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz," Trump wrote.

"At some point, we will reach an 'ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO IN, ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO OUT' basis, but Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, 'There may be a mine out there somewhere,' that nobody knows about but them. THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION, and Leaders of Countries, especially the United States of America, will never be extorted," Trump continued.

"I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas. We will also begin destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits. Any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL! Iran knows, better than anyone, how to END this situation which has already devastated their Country. Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar are useless, Khomeini, and most of their 'Leaders,' are dead, all because of their Nuclear ambition," he said.

"The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade. Iran will not be allowed to profit off this Illegal Act of EXTORTION. They want money and, more importantly, they want Nuclear. Additionally and, at an appropriate moment, we are fully 'LOCKED AND LOADED,' and our Military will finish up the little that is left of Iran!" he added."