"So does the Iranian regime finally fall THIS TIME?" Topic

John in the case of Iran, they already have been doing it.

Israel and to an extent the U.S., are simply returning the favor and doing it better.

I documented elsewhere assassinations made by them and their proxies, with at least 2 attempts on the President.

It is not new for the U.S. either;

"Major Historical Assassination Attempts
Many CIA-led plots failed to reach their target or were abandoned before execution:

Fidel Castro (Cuba): The CIA famously attempted to kill Castro at least eight times between 1960 and 1965. Methods explored included:
Poisoned cigars and a poison pen.
An exploding seashell planted where he went diving.
Collaboration with the Mafia to deliver poison pills.

Patrice Lumumba (Congo, 1960): The CIA sent a scientist with a lethal virus to assassinate him, though he was ultimately killed by local rivals before the U.S. plan could be activated.

Saddam Hussein (Iraq): The U.S. made multiple attempts on his life during the 1991 Gulf War and the 2003 invasion by targeting locations where he was believed to be hiding.

Slobodan Milosevic (Serbia, 1999): U.S. laser bombs hit his empty villa during a NATO campaign in an attempt to target the leader. "

Does include terrorist leaders like bin Laden.

I know the MSM wants people to believe that. Just not true.

Most countries won't admit to it, but it has always been so.

Just 2

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Allegations and Secret Plots
Investigations and declassified documents suggest various levels of British involvement in plots against other world leaders:

Patrice Lumumba (1961): Some reports and former intelligence officials have alleged that MI6 was involved in the assassination of Congo's first democratically elected president.

Muammar al-Gaddafi (1996/2011): Allegations exist that MI6 funded Islamist militants in a failed 1996 attempt to assassinate the Libyan leader. In 2011, the UK was a leading participant in the NATO-led air campaign that eventually led to his overthrow and death.

Idi Amin (1970s): Former British officials, including David Owen, have stated that the assassination of the Ugandan dictator was proposed and discussed by the UK government but never executed.

Slobodan Milošević (1992): Former MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson claimed that the agency drew up contingency plans for the assassination of the Yugoslav leader, though these were not acted upon.

France:

France has a documented history of using its intelligence services for "targeted killings" and covert operations, particularly within its former colonies in Africa, a sphere of influence often referred to as Françafrique.
Documented and Admitted Operations
Unlike many nations, France has had high-level admissions regarding state-sanctioned killings.
"Homo" Operations: Former French President François Hollande admitted in 2017 to authorizing at least 40 "targeted killings" (referred to as hom for homicide) carried out by the DGSE (General Directorate for External Security) or the military between 2013 and 2016. These primarily targeted high-value terrorist leaders in the Sahel region.
Rainbow Warrior (1985): While not an assassination of a world leader, this is the most famous admitted operation on foreign soil. French secret agents bombed a Greenpeace ship in a New Zealand harbor to prevent it from protesting French nuclear testing, killing one photographer.
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Allegations in Africa (Françafrique)
Critics and some historians claim France has been involved in the assassination or overthrow of over 22 African leaders since 1963 to maintain political and economic control. While many remain unproven, several cases have strong circumstantial evidence or ongoing investigations:
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Sylvanus Olympio (1963): The first president of independent Togo was killed in a coup shortly after he attempted to move away from the French-backed colonial currency (CFA franc). French involvement has long been suspected.

Thomas Sankara (1987): The revolutionary leader of Burkina Faso was assassinated in a coup. In 2021, a military tribunal convicted his successor, but many African leaders and activists continue to allege that French intelligence provided support for the plot.

Muammar al-Gaddafi (2011): While killed by Libyan rebels, France was the first country to launch air strikes against his regime. Some allegations suggest French intelligence may have played a direct role in locating him to prevent him from revealing details about alleged illegal funding of French political campaigns.
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Political Kidnappings and Killings
Mehdi Ben Barka (1965): A high-profile Moroccan opposition leader was kidnapped in Paris and disappeared. A subsequent scandal revealed that French intelligence (SDECE) and police had cooperated with Moroccan agents in the abduction and presumed murder.
Ferdinand Mbaou (2018): In a more recent case, two former French intelligence agents were charged with plotting to assassinate this Congolese opposition figure living in France

And before anyone gets their knickers in a bind. These were Google AI searches. So if not happy with the results… email them.

FYI, even if they answer, they are not real nice about it.

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Iran international, via truth social. Don't like it. Contact truth social or the White House via email.

A few past Iranian leaders did that. That I guess is why they are"past". 😉

Don't complain to Israel what ever you do. They are vindictive.

1 hour ago
US 'Very Close' to Meeting Objectives in Campaign Against Iran, Trump says

US President Donald Trump said on Friday that American military operations against Iran's "terrorist regime" are nearing completion, with key strategic goals nearly achieved as the US considers winding down its efforts in the Middle East.
"We are getting very close to meeting our objectives as we consider winding down our great Military efforts in the Middle East with respect to the Terrorist Regime of Iran," Trump posted on Truth Social.
"Completely degrading Iranian missile capability, launchers and related infrastructure; destroying Iran's defense industrial base; eliminating its navy and air force, including anti-aircraft weaponry; permanently preventing nuclear capability while maintaining rapid US response readiness; and protecting Middle Eastern allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Kuwait" were the objectives Trump listed.
"The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not!" Trump added. "If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn't be necessary once Iran's threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them."

What I am saying about assassinations is that there is a long and sordid history there. Traditionally, Heads of State were immune. (It seems that the only ones who went after Hitler, that I'm aware of 🙄 were Germans. They seem to have left Churchill alone. 🤷)

The Iranians certainly don't "need permission". In fact, I'm surprised that they haven't tried here yet.
Maybe all this talk about "sleeper cells" and "lone wolf" etc is just so much hot air.
But… consider the incident in Butler Pennsylvania. Was T really Blessed by God? His ear should have some scars. Why not show them off?
Did the Good Guy Sniper do a Jack Ruby on Lee Harvey Oswald? Was it real? One can be excused for being a bit cynical.

Why hasn't Iran retaliated? Hmmm??? 🙄🤔
Maybe they aren't really all that powerful, or imbedded in America.

John check again there have been two foiled attempts by Iran on the President.

You really are not saying the Pennsylvania attempt was NOT real are you?

Now Israel and their goals:

"Regime collapse needed to end Iran's threats, Israeli ambassador to US says
1 hour ago

Israel's Ambassador to the United States said on Friday that dismantling Iran's ballistic missile program, nuclear capabilities, and proxy support requires regime collapse, as change must come from the Iranian people themselves.

"There are primary objectives and secondary objectives. The primary objectives are absolutely in tandem. The primary objective is, as I said, No more ballistic missiles, no more nuclear tipped enriched uranium, no more support for proxies," Yechiel (Michael) Leiter told NBC News.

"Can that be achieved without a regime collapse? We don't think so. So we need at least for the regime to collapse. Change must come by the Iranian people themselves. So we're not into regime change. We're into regime collapse," he added."

U.S. Army to deploy first operational Dark Eagle hypersonic missile with 3,500 km range in coming weeks.

"Dark Eagle enables rapid strikes against high-value, time-sensitive targets at extreme distances while evading missile defenses through high-speed maneuverability. Its deployment to the 5th Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment at Joint Base Lewis-McChord expands U.S. reach in contested environments and strengthens deterrence against advanced anti-access and area denial systems…"

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US Apache helicopters attack Iranian militias in Iraq, Chairman of Joint Chiefs says

""In Iraq, AH-64s [Apache helicopters] have been striking against Iranian-aligned militia groups to make sure that we suppress any threat in Iraq against us, forces or U.S. interests," Air Force Gen. Dan Caine, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters on Thursday.

Speaking at a Pentagon news conference, Caine did not elaborate on how many combat missions Apache helicopters have flown in Iraq since U.S. operations against Iran on Feb. 28…"

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Armand

Dogtail, radicalism and anti-democratic attitudes cannot be characteristics of Nazism. Otherwise, you would have to consider any religion or monarchy Nazism. It's just radicalism and anti-democratic attitudes… For example, is radical feminism Nazism?

National Socialism is one of the currents of Nazism. It advocated creating a high standard of living for all members of society (a socialist society—a society with a fair division of the fruits of labor) for people of only one nationality (the Aryan race), through the exploitation or extermination of people of other races (the subaltern race).

Nazism and racism are very close.

I am a Russian social democrat and have a negative attitude toward any nationalism (including Russian nationalism). And I especially hate any Nazism. At the same time, I support a strong democratic state, so I am also a Russian patriot. I see Russia's future as socialist, democratic, and sovereign.

Doc McB, Eldridge Cleaver, author of "Soul on Ice," has never been to Russia… I wonder how he could assess the level of racism there?)))
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Well, listening to the opinion of a criminal and racial terrorist (essentially a Black Nazi) is rather stupid. What, from his perspective, is racism? The reluctance of whites to kiss Black feet?)))

35th OVI, statement by Abolfazl Shekarchi:
"We are watching your cowardly officials and commanders, pilots, and wicked soldiers. From now on, based on the information we have about you, the promenades, resorts, and tourist and entertainment centers in the world will not be safe."
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In other words, he said that your leaders will be attacked. A perfectly adequate response to the attacks against Iranian leaders…

Interested as to why on the 28th and possible proximity to nukes.

Iran International:

"meeting of senior Iranian officials that was hit by an Israeli airstrike on February 28 may have been linked to the Islamic Republic's final deliberations over building a nuclear weapon.

On the last day of February, as reports emerged that Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei had been killed in an Israeli bombardment, it was also announced that a meeting of the Defense Council had been struck.

Several senior figures were killed in the strike, the Israeli military confirmed on March 16.

Among those killed were Ali Shamkhani, a senior adviser to Khamenei and secretary of the Defense Council; Abdolrahim Mousavi, chief of staff of Iran's armed forces; and Aziz Nasirzadeh, the defense minister.

Also killed were two figures associated with Iran's Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research, known by its Persian acronym SPND, the direct successor organization to Iran's pre-2004 nuclear weapons program.

The two figures were former SPND chief Brigadier General Reza Mozaffarinia and the organization's new head Brigadier General Hossein Jabal Ameli.

Washington has sanctioned more than 30 SPND scientists and multiple affiliated entities, accusing the organization of overseeing "dual-use research and development activities applicable to nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons delivery systems."

While Tehran denies pursuing a nuclear weapon, the UN nuclear watchdog and Western powers including the US and its European allies maintain that Iran's high-level uranium enrichment (up to 60%) has no credible civilian justification.

Iran currently possesses some 400 kg of near-bomb-grade enriched uranium. The US and Israel have in recent days discussed sending special forces into Iran to secure the stockpile at a later stage of the war, according to a report by Axios.

US War Secretary Pete Hegseth said Thursday that President Trump saw Iran advancing ever closer to nuclear capability and viewed it as unacceptable, prompting his decision to launch the war against Tehran.

Why A-bomb was focus of Defense Council meeting

There are four reasons suggesting the meeting of the Defense Council was likely related to the final stage of decision-making on constructing a nuclear weapon.

First, the composition of the gathering is a key indicator. The simultaneous presence of two former and current SPND chiefs alongside the defense minister — their superior — suggests the meeting concerned nuclear matters rather than battlefield operations. If the session had been focused on the war itself, senior operational or battlefield commanders would have been expected to attend instead of officials tied to the nuclear weapons industry.

Second, Ali Shamkhani had publicly spoken about nuclear weapons months earlier. Four months before his reported death, he said in an interview that if he could go back in time during his tenure as defense minister, he would build an atomic bomb.

Third, Shamkhani's roles placed him at the center of coordination between multiple institutions. As Khamenei's senior adviser and secretary of the Defense Council, as well as a former defense minister, he maintained extensive ties with officials within the ministry, including the department responsible for special weapons development, SPND.

He was also described as a senior commander overseeing Revolutionary Guard officers involved in nuclear weapons development and as the link between these networks and Khamenei himself.

Fourth, in one of his final public remarks, Shamkhani told Lebanon's Al-Mayadeen television that a war with the United States and Israel was inevitable and that the Islamic Republic needed to prepare for it.

Taken together, these elements may indicate that the meeting struck in the bombardment may have been connected to the final stage of decision-making regarding nuclear weapons development.

It is unknown whether Israel was aware that the gathering concerned possible deliberations over building a nuclear weapon, or whether it targeted the meeting simply because senior Iranian officials were known to be present."

Inca77 … yes I think we are basically on the same page, but maybe not the same paragraph. As usual we don't argue we discuss reasonably, logically, respectfully. That is an example that more here should look into.

In the path of controvertial articles about Iran Special Military Operation…

What Trump May Do if He Loses in Iran

"U.S. President Donald Trump doesn't like to lose. And as his chances of pulling off a win in the war on Iran look increasingly slim, the world may soon face the prospect of a volatile president confronting a foreign-policy dilemma that is utterly out of his control. To be sure, Trump may yet pull off a feat that is lauded by geopolitical analysts as advancing U.S. interests and justifying the human, economic, and political costs of the war. But as Trump finds himself in an increasingly tight corner, it's time to anticipate how he might react to the specter of failure in Iran—and prepare for the possibility that his response could make the conflict even more dangerous…"

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Behind the bombast, Trump will be worried: when he tries to stop the war on Iran, will anyone listen?

"…Israel's plan of campaign has rapidly taken on a life of its own since joint operations with the US began on 28 February, with the Israeli air force and army inflicting death and destruction on an ever-expanding range of military and civilian targets across Iran and Lebanon. But this week's Israeli bombing of Iran's South Pars gas field – a significant escalation that led to further spikes in global energy prices and fierce Iranian retaliatory strikes against Gulf countries' oil and gas facilities – was a step too far. It was disowned by Trump, who claimed he knew nothing about it in advance. That was contradicted by anonymous US and Israeli officials.

The episode provoked a spate of reports about how US and Israeli war aims are diverging. One basic difference concerns Iran's future governance. Netanyahu is unequivocally seeking to totally collapse Iran's regime. Though his stated aims change daily, Trump has indicated he could do a Venezuela-type deal if new leaders emerge in Tehran who are prepared to cooperate with the US.

By forcing the world to stare deep into the energy abyss, Netanyahu may have inadvertently set limits on what until now, for him, has been an open-ended war of choice. Apparently keen to placate Trump, he now says South Pars-style aerial attacks on Iran's energy infrastructure will not be repeated. But he is also talking about putting troops on the ground – another potentially huge expansion of the war – and Trump has not ruled it out…"

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Why Donald Trump is losing the war at home

"There is no poll that shows a majority of Americans supporting the Iran war, and multiple polls showing clear majorities against it. And wars usually lose public support as they go on.

Trump did not make a public case for the war before it began, because he preferred quick, surprising strikes preceded by theatrical suspense. He presented the vast military buildup in the Persian Gulf as a high-pressure negotiating tactic in the short-lived bargaining sessions over Iran's nuclear enrichment.

Trump was undoubtedly emboldened by the tactical success of his removal of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, though that too was not very popular with Americans.

Wars are not necessarily better when the US government invests a huge effort in justifying them. The justification for the disastrous Iraq War, after all, was based on misperceptions, distortions and falsehoods. But by completely disregarding US public opinion before the war, Trump now finds himself in all kinds of trouble as he tries to fight it.

Political scientist Bruce Jentleson argued that public support for war in the United States depends not just on how the war is going, but on the public's understanding of the war's aims. The US public is much more likely to support wars aimed at imposing restraints on aggressive powers than wars aimed at bringing political change to other countries.

That theory explains why the Bush administration made such an effort to claim Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and was linked to the September 11 terrorist attacks, even though "regime change" was the aim of the Iraq war…"

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Seven reasons why Trump hasn't won the Iran war

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A Strategic Failure in Iran

"…The Trump administration first claimed Iran's nuclear program represented an imminent threat, necessitating military action. Trump insisted that Tehran was only two weeks away from a bomb just months after claiming to have "completely and totally" obliterated the program during Operation Midnight Hammer.

There is no credible evidence that Iran was close to developing a nuclear weapon. Rafael Grossi, chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), confirmed as much after the war began. In fact, the opposite appears to be true. According to Omani Foreign Minister and chief negotiator between the United States and Iran, Badr bin Hamad al-Busaidi, Iran offered Washington notable concessions, some of which went beyond the guarantees stipulated in the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which Trump scrapped in 2018.

There is now considerable evidence that Trump's chief negotiators on the Iranian nuclear file—Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff—fundamentally misunderstood at least some of the technical issues at the heart of the dispute, undermining their ability to conduct informed negotiations. Assuming the administration was negotiating in good faith, it lacked the skills to do so effectively…"

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Now… a good coach jummy popcorn and let's see…

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Inca77 … yes I think we are basically on the same page, but maybe not the same paragraph. As usual we don't argue we discuss reasonably, logically, respectfully. That is an example that more here should look into.

I think we're close on most of this.

I'm curious how you'd define the end state in practical terms—what specific condition would signal success, and that the campaign has achieved its objective?

@35thOVI

Now Israel and their goals:

"Regime collapse needed to end Iran's threats, Israeli ambassador to US says
1 hour ago

I see what you're pointing to there, and that does help clarify the direction of thinking.

The hesitation I still have is that "regime collapse" is being treated as the necessary condition, but it's also something largely outside direct control.

For instance,

who is responsible for achieving regime collapse?

US/Israel?

Iranian internal actors?

What actions produce that outcome?

Attrition alone?

Internal uprising?

External support?

What if collapse does not occur?

Is there a fallback?

Is the campagn open-ended?

What counts as success short of collapse?

Partial degradation?

Behavioral change?

That makes it feel less like a defined end state and more like a contingent outcome; one that may or may not emerge from the current operations.

So the question becomes: if that collapse doesn't materialize, what condition would still count as success?

Caprum,

"35th OVI, statement by Abolfazl Shekarchi:
"We are watching your cowardly officials and commanders, pilots, and wicked soldiers. From now on, based on the information we have about you, the promenades, resorts, and tourist and entertainment centers in the world will not be safe."
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In other words, he said that your leaders will be attacked. A perfectly adequate response to the attacks against Iranian leaders…"

Caprum2 you miss the point.

They can try, if those leaders spouting this are still alive in April. ☠️

I should say before continuing:
1) The Israelis are mainly the killers of Iranian officials. I know most don't read the news documenting their kills, even my posts. But we have offed a few.
2) where have those "gentle and peace loving" officials dying? At the Eiffel Tower? Buckingham Palace? The Taj Mahal? How about The Winter Palace?

No?

But all tourists sites, correct?

What he said, you left out;

"Iran's top military spokesman warned Friday that "parks, recreational areas and tourist destinations" worldwide won't be safe for Tehran's enemies."

Who are in all those locations? People of all countries, most not involved?

Now that is the act of a cowardly leadership. Of course that seems to have been their idiom since 79.

But again:

"U.S. officials have identified a "hit list" of former administration members and current political figures.
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Donald Trump: Multiple plots have targeted the former president.

2024 Election Plot: In November 2024, the Department of Justice unsealed charges against Farhad Shakeri, an asset of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), who was allegedly tasked with creating a plan to kill Trump before the 2024 election.

Asif Merchant Plot: A Pakistani national with ties to Iran was arrested in July 2024 for a murder-for-hire scheme targeting U.S. politicians, including Trump. He was found guilty in March 2026 of attempted terrorism and murder for hire.

John Bolton: In August 2022, the DOJ charged Shahram Poursafi, a member of the IRGC, with plotting to pay $300,000 USD to assassinate former National Security Adviser John Bolton.

Other Potential Targets: Intelligence briefings have indicated that former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, former CENTCOM Commander General Frank McKenzie, and former Iran envoy Brian Hook have also been targeted."

Even Sleepy Joe.

"Recent Disclosures involving Joe Biden

Targeting of "Political Figures": During the March 2026 trial of Asif Merchant, a Pakistani national with ties to Iran, evidence was presented that Merchant's laptop contained photos of both Donald Trump and then-President Joe Biden."

Israel has justification as well. But then Iran has been pulling this kind of thing for a while.

Israeli intelligence has repeatedly reported foiling Iranian-backed attempts to assassinate top-tier government and security officials.
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Benjamin Netanyahu: In September 2024, Israeli authorities arrested a 73-year-old businessman for allegedly meeting with Iranian intelligence to plan the assassination of Prime Minister Netanyahu. Later, in October 2024, a drone launched by Iranian-backed Hezbollah struck near Netanyahu's residence in Caesarea, which he formally labeled an assassination attempt.

Yoav Gallant and Ronen Bar: The same September 2024 plot also reportedly targeted Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and the Director of the Shin Bet, Ronen Bar.

Naftali Bennett: Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett was also identified by the Shin Bet as a potential target in foiled recruitment schemes.
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Europe and Other Regions
U.S. and European intelligence services have identified a broad campaign of "transnational repression" where Iran targets dissidents and foreign officials.
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European Leaders & Dissidents: In July 2025, 14 governments—including the UK, France, Germany, and Canada—issued a joint statement condemning Iranian intelligence for plotting to kill and kidnap individuals across Europe. This led to the EU unanimously designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization in February 2026.

Diplomatic Targets: Past plots have targeted the Israeli consul-general in Istanbul (2011) and Israeli business people in Cyprus (2021). In early 2026, reports also surfaced of a thwarted plot against the Israeli ambassador in Mexico.

Opposition Figures: Danish and Swedish authorities have previously disrupted IRGC plots to kill leaders of Iranian separatist groups on their soil, such as the 2018 plot against Habib Jabor in Denmark."

They've tried, They are just not as good.

Son you should know that an OPLAN has been thoroughly planned, tested and approved by the JCoS. It's not something you throw together on the fly when an ally (Israel) drags you into a shooting war.

I know a lot about OPLANs, the JCS, etc. I had a lot of training in a number schools and courses. And at Bn and Bde levels. Yes, even as just a CPT. And Israel did not drag the US into anything. That is just more anti-US propaganda, etc. … But you will never see that …

It's not some secret squirrel thing that is handed down to the grunts wholesale

I had TS I know that. I know a lot about being a grunt …

Because that's what seems to be happening here, and it's going to get your people killed.

That is not what is happening. But I don't think you really understand what is actually going on. As well as has suffered very low loses. Even on is too much … But the US always tries to mitigate the risk to its troops. And as tech advances more systems are in place to keep US losses very low and increase the enemies very high. As is demonstrated here in Iran …

Now I held a junior rank in the military too, but I never pretended that I knew what the overall strategy was beyond contain and neutralise

I never said I knew the overall strategy. But I have some insights as on Bn and Bde staffs … I'm pretty sure you don't. The US Army spends a lot of time training us just for things that will be used as we get promoted, etc. The senior officers like to know that the LTs and CPTs are well versed and well trained… Again that is the way it is in the US Army …

I'm also well aware that I know very little about how war in the 21st century is prosecuted overall.

Yes you demonstrate that often …

Tango, you can easily find articles that contradict those views, but since you follow the news, you already know that.

Also you know his base hold little stock in polls. If we believed them, he would not be office, now or the first time. 🙂

Same dark gloom and fear of a long drawn out war, of course fed by the minions of the MSM.

"U.S. Public Opinion
American sentiment was split sharply along partisan lines regarding the military action and President Trump's handling of the situation.
Handling of Venezuela: A YouGov poll showed 39% of Americans approved of Trump's overall handling of Venezuela, while 46% did not approve.
Military Operation:
The Washington Post found 40% in favor and 42% opposed to the military strike to capture Maduro.
A Reuters/Ipsos survey reported even lower support, with just 33% approving of the military action.
Partisan Divide: Support among Republicans was high (65%–79%), while Democrats (5%–11%) and Independents (23%–34%) were overwhelmingly opposed.
Concerns of Over-Involvement: Approximately 72% of Americans expressed concern that the U.S. would become too involved in Venezuela. "

How has that worked out.

I remember how the press and his opponents said the border could not be shut down without a massive bill to finance more of everything?

Within 2 weeks..,, locked down.

Views here and the rest of the world are fed by the msm. Which has a history of over 90% negative coverage of him and his policies.

Does not affect his base.
Won't change the Democrats voters, they will always vote democrat.
Independents are like the wind, so yes the press influences them.
And of course the Rhinos flow like the wind as well. Whatever keeps them feeding off the taxpayers teat. God forbid they actually work for a living.

@Cuprum2:
I don´t want to get lost in semantics

And I do think that monotheism is antidemocratic, yes
And if you are told to love your enemy, that is quite radical.
Does it make Jesus a Nazi?
Something must be wrong in your arguments…

Incavart,

I don't think you see what I did at all.

Just pulling a news article with Israel stating their view of goals.

Israel and the U.S. do Not have exactly the same goals.

It would not surprise me to see Israel continue to bomb after the United States has stopped.

Both countries have said currently, if change takes place, it has to be the Iranians achieving it. That is as it should be. Make no mistake, THEY made this mess themselves in 1978 and 79. THEY believed the promises so many have believed to their ultimate detriment. It was the same for Venezuela?

@35thOVI

I meant I understand the distinction you're making—that the U.S. and Israel don't necessarily share identical end states.

There exist myriad articles, summaries, or interpretations describing what the strategy might be; I really don't need you to find them for me. All of them hint at strategies and rumors of strategies but never point to an official, coherent one. If you don't want to discuss it for whatever limitation, that's OK. But suggesting that either having or asking for one is an inconvenience is simply inaccurate.

Again, the issue is that none of those are the strategy itself. They're second-order descriptions. What I'm asking for is a first-order statement: a clearly defined objective and the condition that marks it as achieved.

If Israel's stated objective requires regime collapse, and the U.S. hasn't articulated an equivalent end state, then it seems like we may be looking at parallel but not identical outcomes. That's a big distinction; what specific condition would signal that the U.S. considers the objective achieved? Perhaps you could address this?

@incavart77

So the question becomes: if that collapse doesn't materialize, what condition would still count as success?

Well, going by Trump's statements he's not basing success on regime collapse. He's said repeatedly while hopes the Iranian people will rise up, we have their back, he's also open to a peace deal with Iran that would have verifiable strong protections against nuclear weapons development. And to that end the openly stated goal is to crush Iran's power projection capacity -- their nuclear weapons program, ballistic missiles, airforce and navy, and long range drones; and dismantle their defense-industrial base.

The airstrikes also seem to be differentiated -- Israel is doing regime decapitation and attrition strikes while the US is hitting military targets and related infrastructure. Both militaries have been leaving civil infrastructure alone -- no targeting or power plants, water treatment, etc.

I hope the regime does fall, they are a source of evil and global instability. But the campaign can still be a success without it, ensuring Iran poses no serious threat to anyone and removing one of China's pawns from the board.

Dogtail, don't make a cult out of democracy… Unfortunately, modern democracy often degenerates into a simple competition of capital for power and a celebration of irresponsibility. And even into a dictatorship of democrats, where they decide which candidates are "right" and which are not… This is happening all the time now.
I think this war is just another US attempt to take over the global energy market. And even higher global energy prices are a blessing in disguise for the US, as the US is currently a major energy supplier… Higher prices, the long-term elimination of competitors (in the Middle East), a reduction in US foreign debt through market control… Selling Russian gas to Europe through the acquired Nord Stream pipeline would also fit well here…
Even the fact that the war didn't go according to plan doesn't negate the achievement of these goals.
But Israel has other goals and will do everything it can to prevent the US from leaving the war.

But Trump is right – he has already achieved all the goals the US seeks. The world is descending into chaos, and the US is gaining control over chaos through its control of energy and maritime trade. The US is once again becoming the global hegemon. China, as its main competitor, will be forced to either attack or decline.
And the US doesn't need any allies other than situational ones. It needs mutual deterrence between competitors… You fight – the US grows. An oasis of calm for capital from all over the world. And those who disobey will simply have their energy supplies cut off.

The main thing here is to prevent the emergence of new major players capable of challenging the US.

Iran War: American Air Power Faces New Threat; 16 US Aircraft Have Been Lost | WION News

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Iran launched a ballistic missile attack on the British-American base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in the early morning. This suddenly revealed that Iran possesses ballistic missiles with a range of over 4,000 kilometers. The consequences of the strikes are still unknown.
The Americans claim the strike missed its target.

In practice, Iran could be attempting to reach most NATO countries. It's unlikely that Iran has many such missiles, but it does have a certain number, which expands the scope of the war.

Nevertheless, after claims of the complete destruction of Iran's missile program and the 100% destruction of its military capabilities, the Iranians unveiled a missile with a range of 4,000 kilometers. It's an awkward situation. They just went and ruined everything.

One of the representatives of the Iranian opposition:
t.me/boris_rozhin/203675

You know, I understand her. I, too, was in opposition to Putin. Until, with the full support and approval of the West, peaceful cities in Donbass began to be shelled and bombed simply because they remained true to their own history and their own beliefs. I had to put my differences with Putin aside, because we suddenly had a common enemy.

Caprum

Your last second to last post. Are you saying 😈 is trying to get control of the world's oil supply under US control. Thus controlling the LIFE BLOOD of the …… WORLD!!!! <evil laughter here. Man with little finger up to right side of his mouth>

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How wonderfully EVVVVIIIL. 😏

But 🤔

That would than insinuate he has a longterm strategy and is acting on it tactically, and NOT just in Iran. 😳

But he is a blithering idiot according to those who oppose him here, the media. And of course opposing politicians all over the world.

But then they say he's Hitler too. 😱

Now I'm all confused again.

😔

Caprum your last post.

We who support most of what Trump does know that when he speaks in public, most of what he says to describe successes, are often hyperbole: "Like you've never seen before!!" For example. I'm sure there are drinking games made to words he repeats constantly.

No, missiles are not 100%.

The last time I checked:

US military reported that 60% of Iran's missiles and 64% of their launchers had been taken out.

Isreal reports on launchers as that is mostly their territory, except around water areas.

I am sure the total is somewhat higher today.

Will it ever be 100%? Doubtful.

The distance capacity of Iranian missiles, was one of the biggest threats emphasized by us, prior to the war. Especially with the potential addition of nukes in development.

A special worry obviously of Israel. They were sure the radical regime of Iran would use them. Actually a worry of many countries other than the U.S. and Israel.

Wonder what countries helped Iran with all this development? 🤔

Cuprum now you've started me thinking 🤔

The "evil one" had said "no boots on the ground" but he has also said, he reserves the ability to use boots on the ground.

Now sit down.
Ready?
Ok! What if he has them wear……. sandals and NOT boots!! 😱
Mind blowing, right??!!
No "boots" on the ground.

Now I expect some troops to be used. (I expect special forces of both the U.S. and Israel as well as Marines).

But where??
Keep straits open?
Take Kharg Island?
Take their enrichment sites and permanently disabled them including their reactor?

Also as a source of arms to "rebels" if they have the intestinal fortitude for it?

Keep them guessing.. right?

But shhhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone. Mums the word. 😉

Sometimes it feels like they are reading my posts.
😉

Subject: US weighs special forces operation to seize Iran's enriched uranium stockpile: Report


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Notice:

"Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi confirmed recently that the material was "under the rubble," with no immediate plans to retrieve it"

"Iran International English
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Sources tell Free Press reporter Jay Solomon the US may move to secure over 400kg of unaccounted enriched uranium — with ground forces potentially needed. At the same time Daily Mail special correspondent David Patrikarakos reports signs of IRGC infighting and a government "in disarray." Watch the full interview on Eye for"

"52 mins agoPINNED
US launches 'longest field artillery strike in Army combat history' against Iran

U.S. Central Command Commander Adm. Brad Cooper revealed Saturday that American forces "launched the longest field artillery strike in Army combat history using precision strike missiles" against Iran.

The military effort, which happened two days ago, "took out Iranian military infrastructure, demonstrating the U.S. Military's unmatched reach and lethality," Cooper said.

Cooper added that on day 22 of Operation Epic Fury, "U.S. forces continue to take bold action and remain on plan to eliminate Iran's ability to project meaningful power outside its borders."

"So far, we've struck over 8,000 military targets, including 130 Iranian vessels, constituting the largest elimination of a Navy over a three-week period since World War II," Cooper said."

Victory reports))) I've been indifferent to them for about four years now, since the start of the Ukrainian war))) You can only boast after the war is over…

That's where Iran gets its missile technology. And perhaps that's where it will get its nuclear weapons… I remember Trump threatening to strike North Korea in his first term. But nuclear weapons make even him think twice.

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Caprum2 obviously that question was tongue in cheek. We all pretty much know who helps them. 😉

There is war in the Ukraine?? The devil you say!?

Didn't that start at least 4 years ago? Still going on? It's going to be longer than WW2 soon.

Would that classify as a "forever war"? It must, as the MSM and politicians and "others" tell us this 3 week war is a forever war. That must make yours a forever and ever and ever and ever war. 🤔

Another one bites the dust and another one bites the dust! 🎶

"41 minutes ago
IRGC commander in East Azerbaijan killed – state media

Ghadir Azarian, an IRGC commander in Iran's East Azerbaijan province, was killed in airstrikes in recent days, state media reported."

OK Legion, pretend I know nothing, as you seem to believe anyway.

I didn't say you don't nothing about the topic …

Explain to me what apparent differences there are/were between it and the current one panning out in Iran.

That link is just humor … But maybe you don't know that ? I think actually you are trying to mock, belittle, etc. Which seems a bit puerile, for a bunch of s etc.

And I'm not privy to anything classified at this time. Most of it you can see online, TV, etc. I never said I was still had a clearance. I said, based on my experience, I know there are many things that is not released to the public. But you should know that.

However, since you believe the campaign in Iran is not working only after a couple of weeks. Then I don't think you understand what is actually going on. Or because of your bias, distain, etc. for me, the US military, POTUS, etc. maybe clouds whatever judgment, logic, reason or even tactical, operational, etc. knowledge, expertise, etc. You may have possessed.

I really can't figure out your upset, anger, etc. Many here don't display that attitude. We discuss, present POVs, experiences, maybe argue, etc. Agree or not. E.g. I think Inca77 is very good at that. Maybe you should follow his example ?

I listen to interviews by many high-ranking Officers RET. What they say makes sense to me and many others. Again based on my study of history and my past vocation. I can still evaluate, discern, understand what is going on in military ops. I take what is going on very seriously. Especially with the threat Iran's islamist regime. Who wants to obtain nuclear weapons destroy many people. And not just Americas.

And how do you know that your rank was senior to mine?

I don't know save for based on your comments. I know having worked with and being lead, etc. many higher-ranking officers on active duty for over a decade and a couple of years in the USAR.

Plus, still interact with many in my continuing affiliation with Vet organizations, the USAFR base nearby, etc. Seems none of them have no problem with the things I discuss, etc. with them.

So maybe it is you ?

And again I don't know where you get your information, news, military knowledge or expertise comes from. But your comment don't sound like to me you were a higher rank than I.

If you were … I should respect that. But in your case. I have very little respect you save for you service as most likely an Infantryman. As I know what that requires. To be successful or at least consistent takes work, diligence, knowledge, etc.

By your many divisive comments full of vitriol, etc. And thinking that silly video, among other things I have observed from your posts here. I have a difficult time believing you were an officer or NCO. I've served with and know too many very good competent soldiers of all ranks. For me to believe you are in either of those ranks.

If so … your Army and the one I served in must be very different. What other conclusions could I or someone else draw ?

Regardless of what I say, you are still entrenched in your personal disdain, mocking, etc. for at least me. As well as other things I and my nation stand for.

I know what to expect form you regardless of what your rank, experience, training etc. was …

You can say or do little to change that. And frankly I don't really care.

OVI +1

SMb +1

What???
And here I thought American policy was discussed, formulated, decided and implemented on TMP!
I am shocked. SHOCKED!

Well John … they could tell us … but then they'd have to kill us … Or so I have been told …

Legion +1

Another one bites the dust and another one bites the dust! 🎶

"41 minutes ago
IRGC commander in East Azerbaijan killed – state media

Ghadir Azarian, an IRGC commander in Iran's East Azerbaijan province, was killed in airstrikes in recent days, state media reported."

Coincidentally, I was listening to a report on CNN about on-line gambling.
She said "you can bet on ANYTHING now!"
Speculation about exactly when there will be boots on the ground, whether Jesus will return before 2027, etc.

So, I'm thinking. Can I bet on who the next Iranian big shot will be assassinated, and when?

@Incavart

You seem to be asking for a FDR fireside chat moment from this administration.

It isn't going to happen with this administration.

I have tried to post as much information as possible. I know, overload. Especially about governmental stated objectives.

But they are generalities not specific.

For instance Irans navy.

"As of March 2026, President Donald Trump and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth have explicitly stated that a primary objective of Operation Epic Fury is the complete annihilation and elimination of the Iranian Navy.

This objective is part of a broader strategy to "completely degrade" Iran's ability to project military power beyond its borders and ensure it never obtains a nuclear weapon."

Not nebulous, pretty much says annihilation.
With over 130 ships down now.

Missiles

The goal is nebulous.

Is 80% successful?
Is 60% successful?
100% I do not, nor should anyone believe is an achievable goal.

I believe nebulous purposefully. That goal will be achieved at whatever the administration feels is necessary to declare it as such.

Regime change?

" as the war has progressed, the White House has clarified that "regime change" was not the "official" policy, focusing instead on technical and military benchmarks like denuclearization and neutralizing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)."

"Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has stated the operation is not a "regime change war," while simultaneously noting that "the regime sure did change" following strikes that reportedly killed Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other top leaders."

"The administration's view on who is responsible for a new government is divided between external influence and internal action:
The Iranian People: President Trump has repeatedly called on the Iranian people to "seize control of your destiny" and "take back your country," framing the ultimate responsibility for a new government as an internal matter for "Iranian patriots".

U.S. Involvement in Leadership: Despite emphasizing internal change, Trump has also suggested he would be "involved in the appointment" of new leaders, specifically rejecting potential successors like Mojtaba Khamenei (the late Supreme Leader's son) and stating that the U.S. has "some people" in mind who would "do a good job".

Opposition Realities: U.S. intelligence assessments have expressed skepticism that a new government can take over quickly, noting that no unified opposition coalition is currently poised to fill the power vacuum despite the administration's strikes on the existing leadership."

So again a nebulous goal.
Regime change would be good. The people must do it. But if you pick someone we can't work with …. Swishhhhhh BOOM! Try again.

But not a goal to end this round.

I'm not going through the rest of them.

You know I have said this is a "deterrent" conflict . I expect to have to potentially repeat it, but only to a point, and with less and less effort needed each time.

I see this as a degradation campaign to put Iran on its heels.
Keep their nuke program in check.
Stop them financing and supplying their proxy forces. (Which other than one, have been quite so far).
Keep their leadership in fear for their lives.
Break the will of their armed forces (which according to some reports, may be happening). Notice I did not say the "hardline and radical" guard.
Degrade the guard continuously. (Which Israel has been doing)

Hopefully get the majority of the people and disgusted regular forces to join hands and oust the hardliners. (That might be a pipe dream on my part).

IMHO

Do the Iranians even have an Air Force left now?

As to why this President tells so few, what his and the DOW plans are.
Same for leaders overseas.

Look back to his first term for that answer. A sieve would have had fewer leaks. Deep Staters, RHINOS, a plethora of Democrats in the administration and all through every department. Lifelong taxpayer teat suckers. Ready to go directly to the press every time the President passed wind.

I wouldn't trust the Washington bureaucracy. I definitely would not trust the mainstream media..

And as I said, Israel's goals may NOT be quite the same and they may continue when we stop.

Sure John, but I get a 10% cut of any of your winnings you get… for giving you affirmation., since you asked 😉

@incavart and anyone else interested, as I doubt you listen to this briefings.
Latest update. Enjoy

Subject: U.S. Central Command on X: "Update from CENTCOM Commander on Operation Epic Fury: t.co/8yTLrVy4jk / X


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Like I said earlier -- we have a Left-view warping this issue. People who should find the Iranian regime anathema to all their principles and life style are rooting for the regime 'cause F-trump and F-the US, wishing for failure/comeuppance and all that. So every development is cast as failure and doom and decline -- which, by the way is being fed by the overtime troll factories of Russia and China.

I mean, can you disapprove of the military action without hoping the US loses, and the brutal totalitarian expansionist theocracy stays in power?

@35thOVI and SBminisguy

I could just as easily point to headlines saying everything is working perfectly—that's the nature of headlines. The issue is that headlines and summaries can support almost any narrative. They don't establish a defined objective or a condition for success.

I think this actually clarifies the discussion. What's been presented across the thread are:

1. lists of targets and activities
2. general policy frameworks
3. and a range of possible or preferred outcomes

What hasn't been clearly articulated is a defined end state, a condition that would constitute success, or what specifically brings the campaign to a close. Without that, it reads as an ongoing application of force with inferred objectives, rather than a clearly defined strategy.

Posters can continue to not acknowledge that gap or respond with different non-answers, but until the question—defined objective, end state, success condition—is either clearly demonstrated or acknowledged as absent, the discussion will continue to circle.

At the moment, the exchange seems to be: "define the destination," with the answer repeatedly being "look how fast we're driving."

And it's entirely possible to support action against a hostile regime while still asking what the defined objective and end state are—those aren't mutually exclusive.

SB +1
Outside the U.S. is one thing, but from inside the U.S.

One has to try and sit back and think: does my hate of one man that strong as to override all other things.

I personally could not stand Carter. But I would have cheered Carter on, if he had stood down Iran. Instead of the horrible and embarrassing response he made to them. He might as well have kowtowed on his belly to the ayatollah and kissed his sandals and the Quran. 😡🤬

The only time I was ever embarrassed for my country.

I have never voted for a Democrat since.

Sure John, but I get a 10% cut of any of your winnings you get… for giving you affirmation., since you asked 😉

Oh, so now we're demanding vig?
Editor! Editor!

Incavart

Again I say: we have a failure to communicate here.

If this is a deterrent campaign, by its nature it may not have an ultimate end game. It like the Israeli deterrent campaign I listed earlier, stops and than starts again when and if deterrent is deemed necessary again.

What was the Cold War? A series of actions waged to deter perceived Communist expansion. The end game was always a nebulous result, and victory declared by both sides each time another confrontation took place.

We in the west say the Cold War ended when the wall came down and the Soviet Union disbanded. But Russia is still communist. As is China. As is NK… as is…, so communism still exists. Who is to say that the current Ukrainian war is not the rise of a new Soviet Union and the expansion of communism into Europe again? They believe that Europe is expanding to overwhelm them.

Cannot the Ukraine war be seen as continued "deterrence" by both sides

As Captain Terrill said, "Doin' right ain't got no end". 😉

John,

Vig?

You asked:

" Can I bet on who the next Iranian big shot will be assassinated, and when?"
I simply gave you my affirmation of your request for permission. The 10% is my "affirmation tax". 😉

do you mean these "decent people"?

Comments Following the 2024 Assassination Attempt
After the July 13, 2024, shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania, several individuals faced immediate backlash or professional consequences for their remarks:
Kyle Gass (Tenacious D): During a Sydney concert on July 14, 2024, Gass was asked to make a birthday wish and responded, "Don't miss Trump next time." His bandmate, Jack Black, subsequently canceled their tour and paused the band's activities.
M.I.A.: The rapper posted on X (formerly Twitter), "How do you miss all those shots fired?" and mused that it would be "funny" if the experience made him "super woke".
Jacqueline Marsaw (Former staffer for Rep. Bennie Thompson): She posted on Facebook, "I don't condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time," leading to her termination from Rep. Thompson's staff.
Maria Chappelle-Nadal (Former Missouri State Senator): Although her comment was from 2017, it is often cited in lists of such rhetoric; she posted, "I hope Trump is assassinated" on Facebook, which led to bipartisan calls for her resignation.
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Artistic or Symbolic Insinuations
Several celebrities have used imagery or performance to depict or hint at Trump's death:
Kathy Griffin: In 2017, the comedian posed for a photo holding a likeness of Trump's severed, bloody head, resulting in her losing several contracts, including her role at CNN.
Snoop Dogg: His 2017 music video for "Lavender" features him pointing a prop gun at a clown dressed as Trump and pulling the trigger (it releases a "Bang!" flag).
Marilyn Manson: A teaser video for his song "Say10" showed a Trump-like figure decapitated and lying in a pool of blood.
Green Day (Billie Joe Armstrong): During a 2024 concert in Washington, D.C., Armstrong held up a mask of Trump with the word "Idiot" written across it, which some critics likened to the imagery used by Kathy Griffin.
The Public Theater: In 2017, their production of Julius Caesar featured a Trump-esque character being stabbed to death by senators, leading to the loss of several corporate sponsorships.
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Direct "Jokes" or Comments

Johnny Depp: At the 2017 Glastonbury Festival, he asked the audience, "When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?" and later apologized, stating his words were not intended to be malicious.

Madonna: At the 2017 Women's March, she told the crowd she had "thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House," later clarifying that she was speaking metaphorically about frustration.

Anthony Bourdain: When asked in 2017 what he would serve at a summit between Trump and Kim Jong-un, he responded, "Hemlock" (a poisonous plant).

Or these?

Elected Officials

Maria Chappelle-Nadal (Former Missouri State Senator): In 2017, she explicitly wrote, "I hope Trump is assassinated!" on her personal Facebook page. She faced bipartisan calls for her resignation and a U.S. Secret Service investigation.
Steven Woodrow (Colorado State Representative): Following the July 2024 shooting, he posted on X, "The last thing America needed was sympathy for the devil but here we are". He later deleted the post and apologized, stating he intended to express concern that the event would help Trump's campaign.

Antonio Parkinson (Tennessee State Representative): Shortly after the 2024 attempt, he posted on social media, "I certainly hope this is not a staged act. But…". He later walked back the comment and denounced all violence.

London Lamar (Tennessee State Senator): She posted that "extremism from the MAGA regime has brought us to this moment" immediately after the shooting. She later deleted the post and issued a statement condemning the violence.

Dan Goldman (New York U.S. Representative): In 2023, he stated during an interview that Trump "has to be eliminated". He quickly apologized, clarifying he meant Trump should be defeated at the ballot box.

Stacey Plaskett (U.S. Virgin Islands Delegate): During a TV appearance, she stated Trump "needs to be shot—stopped," immediately correcting herself after the slip of the tongue.
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Political Staff and Candidates
Jacqueline Marsaw: A staffer for Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson, she posted, "Don't miss next time" and urged the shooter to take "shooting lessons". She was subsequently fired.
Ken Gucker (Former Connecticut State Representative): He posted a meme with the caption "Missed him by that much" shortly after the assassination attempt. He later claimed it was an accidental post.

The job of PotUS is not to be a Donald J Trump, but to represent the people of the United States. The elected person has a role. If he wants to speak as DJT only, he should not use his title.

Interesting but speculative

Subject: Trump's team game planning for potential Iran peace talks


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Dogtail

The people who hate him will continue to hate him and those who don't, don't care.

@35thOVI
Right, and it is kind of sad.
As soon as you put on your uniform, have you been anything else? Did you stand for more than your personal agenda?

@goibinu

cope boyo