"Pakistan declares “open war” on Afghanistan" Topic

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People actually Declare War in this day and age?
WOW!

I'm sure they had it coming. Doubtless, Pakistan is offended by the Taliban's treatment of women.

As History has shown, anyone can conquer Afghanistan. But nobody ever succeeded in occupying it for long.

I think you'll find that is one of the resolved wars, so it can't be happening. Unless you're saying Trump lied – which obviously can't be true.

If one considers Afghanistan an imaginary country, all things are possible!
It never was a real country, or nation. It's a geographical construct, doubtless drawn up by drunken diplomats after a heavy meal.
Alexander knew what to do. Marry a beautiful Princess, declare PEACE! and leave. Avoid that area when coming back.
Although some colorful WRG armies can be constructed from the remains.

Before anyone starts whining about Biden, consider that the British never stayed long, and the Russians said this and pulled out too.

The fall of the Soviet Union was helped along by their debilitating time in Afghanistan, I believe.

I mentioned that on another thread here. Well as long as they stay busy killing themselves, I have no problem with it.

I think you'll find that is one of the resolved wars, so it can't be happening. Unless you're saying Trump lied

Never heard that take however, there is no way in Hell one can blame the current POTUS. For the Cluster the previous impaired POTUS did with the debacle of the A'stan withdrawal, etc.

Unless you're saying Trump lied – which obviously can't be true.

Wait, I got lost. Obviously it can't be true that Trump lied or obviously it can't be true that he's *saying* that Trump lied?

I think they're fighting over water. It's in short supply over there. Rain falls on Afghanistan and then flows into Pakistan, Iran, and another Stan, iirc. Afghanistan wants to keep more of the water, which may be illegal and is certainly going to be a BIG problem for the folks downstream.

Fighting over water is very, very old, older than a lot of these other reasons people kill each other.

Great 8 minute video that explains it all with maps.

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Both. John OFM would never cast aspersions and Trump is incapable of falsehoods.

I have learned to my chagrin that aspersions are pretty darn heavy! They're so hard to cast.

I've taken to casting my aspersions in pewter, which is lighter than lead.

Talk about getting bitten in the arse by your own creation -- Pakistani intel helped create and fund the Taliban in the wake of the Soviet Withdrawl to try and place a proxy into power in Kabul. Much like the US support for the Mujahideen before the Taliban had the unitended consequence of helping to create Bin Laden.

Afghanistan is the classic "The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy" situation.

EVERYONE who invades there thinks they can install, or prop up, a friendly regime.

The British had *3* named and numbered Afghan Wars. That doesn't count the "little wars" in between and after them.
In each case, they THOUGHT they were leaving it in good hands. The best strategy was usually to invade, blow things up and then leave. "Let this be a lesson to you!"

The Russians, pardon me, Soviets, invaded to prop up a fragile puppet Communist regime. They found that their traditional brutal tactics became less and less effective. So, they left. "Honorably". 🙄
The Yanks got involved… because that is what we do. Put the lives of the peasants at risk with plausible deniability. Watch "Charlie Wilson's War".
The Russians, soon to be ex-Soviets left behind a vacuum. (Chernobyl and Afghanistan can credibly be blamed for the downfall of Communist CCCP USSR.)

Thus a vacuum. Where the Taliban and OBL snuck into.
9/11 happened. Was the "government" of Afghanistan responsible? Is that a serious question? 🙄
So, we conquered. Reliable sources reported that we had bin Laden in our sites more than once, but the Rules of Engagement blah blah blah
So we settled on the farce known as "nation building". Schools for girls. Without really trying to kill bin Laden. That should have been the only goal.
As soon as he was killed, our whole raison d'ętre went away. Should have left then and there. Wasn't that Obama? 🤔
But, no. We had to pretend that we were doing good. Four years of T**** talking about leaving, but never really getting around to it. The Biden leaving both incompetently and dishonorably.

But, we're out and gone. Let Pakistan try next. Or Zimbabwe. Or Peru. Anyone but us.

John the OFM +1

I don't think that Pakistan has any plans to conquer Afganistan. Their issue seems to be that some terrorists/militants have moved from Pakistan to shelter in the Afganistan side of the border, and are launching attacks from there to targets in Pakistan.

OTOH. India has been for long accusing Pakistan of allowing terrorists to shelter in its area and to launch attacks into India. This has triggered some border disputes between the two countries recently.

And in recent years, there have also been some similar clashes in the Iran-Pakistani border, where one (or maybe both) sides claimed that there were Balochi militants operating across the border. This resulted in some limited cross-border strikes.

John the OFM "Before anyone starts whining about Biden"

Really, On August 26, 2021, thirteen American service members gave their lives during the evacuation at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul. Needlessly.

What idiot gives up the Bagram airbase (15 August) before withdrawing? Answer: Biden.

@OSCS74
Read above where I said Biden exited "incompetently and dishonorably".
He did what T**** had been talking about doing even before His first term. Biden did it badly. There is no disagreement about that.

Please forgive me if I didn't use enough insulting and negative adverbs! 😱

TDS is strong on this thread