"Starfleet Academy: It gets better" Topic

We watched the first one, implausible and looked like it was going hard on the woke. Watched the second one, and oh the pain. The second hand cringe was intense. The plot was terrible. It was, wow, bad. Third one was better, not great; watchable, but there are better uses of your TV time.

The fourth one was pretty darn good. The fifth was great. The sixth was great.

Still a lot of plausibility issues, but that's always the case with Star Trek. Love the sets, hate the stupid nacelles on the latest ship. There are some people who clearly don't belong in Starfleet Academy. But we enjoyed it.

So if you gave up early I don't blame you. If you want to like it keep going. It's much better than Discovery.

If you hate all modern Star Trek I don't blame you, and you'll find plenty to hate here.

But wow, that second episode really stank.

That's like saying on a scale of one to ten, a three beats a two.

The later episodes are not just better than 1, 2, and 3, they were enjoyable to watch. It's not just an improvement. If episode 2 was a 1 (because you can't give zero stars, can you?) then 4, 5, and 6 were 8s. After Ep 2 I was ready to never watch again, but we're stubborn and I did want to like it. After each of 4, 5, and 6 I was and am looking forward to the next episode.

Hmmmm ….

I gave up after Ep. 3

Woke and a disrespectful chain of command with disrespectful subordinates.

From the reviews, Ep 7 is every bit as bad as the first three. "[M]uch better than Discovery" sets the bar pretty low. Let me know when it gets better than Space Rangers.

I understand that it's been canceled. Which is saying a lot for a streaming show.

I understand that it's been canceled. Which is saying a lot for a streaming show.

I haven't heard that. Season 2 was started before Season 1 even came out, that's how they do things now.

The fourth one was pretty darn good. The fifth was great. The sixth was great.

The reviewers have crapped all over Episodes 4, 5, 6 and 7. It's more fun to watch the reviews than to watch the actual show.

"It gets better"

Well from what I've read here and elsewhere, it would be hard for it to have gotten any worse.

What I've read so far on cancellation is…inconclusive. While Season 2 began filming before Season 1 completed, that's pretty standard, and there's buzz that it may never see… well, whatever one calls "air" on a streaming service. It's a four season show as planned, but audience interest has apparently plummeted, which may lead Paramount to pull the plug early.

It really does come down to what sources you read, and alas, politics is heavily influencing the reporting. And the rumor mill is going overtime, too, so it's hard to discover what's really going on.

As for reviews, what few I've read have been universally poor. But I can't comment on the actual show quality, having never seen it.

My policy is that whenever people creating a fiction tell me it's not for me, I honor their wishes. There seems to be more of that lately.

Professional reviewers seem to be quite taken with the show, but my experience with on-line reviews matches Parzival's, and viewing numbers, which are more objective, seem to have started out poor and dropped like a rock.

So nearly as I can determine, reports of cancellation are all wishful thinking. Season 2 was mostly filmed before the first episode of Season 1 aired. I think the only way to avoid Season 2 at this point would be a "Batgirl" situation in which the higher-ups concluded the tax write-off was worth more than they'd make after post-production costs--which can be pretty serious for a special-effects heavy show like this.

But if I had to guess, I'd say Season 2 will be the end. Sets are reportedly being cannibalized, and no one's talking about a renewal of the Kurtzman contract. Note that evidently the existing contract ensures he'll get a percentage of anything "Star Trek" related which refers in any way to what he's produced--STD, SNW, Picard, Lower Decks, and, of course, Star Trek 90210. But this creates an incentive for Paramount NOT to ever refer back to any of this. Maybe in five years, the entire nuTrek era will never have happened.

In a way, that's a very Star Trek ending. Puts me in mind of "City on the Edge of Forever."

…politics is heavily influencing the reporting…

That's hard to believe, since the reviewers are an international bunch.

I've literally seen no positive reviews for this show on social media.

As far as I am concern Star Trek ended in 2005.

Bill, I said "reporting" nor "reviewing." I was referring solely to claims that the show is either "a huge success" (yes, I have read this claim) or an absolute ratings flop— with both sides putting up numbers to "prove" their position, and the whole thing couched in terms of whether or not the show is "Woke" or "championing diversity." While I am inclined to agree with such criticism based solely on clips and articles I've read, I have no idea how the Star Trek viewing public is affected by this, or where Star Trek fans today stand on such issues— the Pro and Con sides are equally loud, and its hard to determine where the rest fall.

I suspect there are multiple camps:

Those who love the idea of Star Trek, and don't want to ever see it fail, and thus will talk up *anything* labeled "Star Trek"— the sort of person who buys Star Trek cookbooks and thinks they hold recipes for actual Klingon food.

Nostalgians, who only love the Star Trek they saw from their own personal ages 12-25 and think anything after (or even before) just isn't up to their standards.

Currentists, who love only what's new and shiny with the latest artistic set styles, costumes, and overblown CGI effects, and largely base their criticisms of earlier productions solely on special effects as a standard of quality and believability.

Statementists, who only support the show if it puts forth statements reflecting their own political views and attach value to the shows based solely on this, either for praise or rejection.

Normal people, who just want to be entertained by compelling stories, well told. But these people don't comment on social media, or at all. They just tune in or tune out, and that's where it ends for them.

And there's some crossover in these groups, too.

I never knew it even existed until after the hit the fan.
Then, since I believe the Critical Drinker and his like minded minions are infallible, I decided to not watch it.
That plus the fact that I would not know where to find it…

I watched the Original Series sporadically. I made fun of certain episodes. I pretty much missed TNG and the rest.
So, I'm not really in the mood to trash Academy. From what I've seen from The Usual Suspects, I don't feel any desire to check it out. Not even to make fun of the "Klingon".
Meh.

They had started filming season 2 before season one aired.

I had not watched, just read reviews of those who did and watched previews and knew it was not for me. But honestly did not know it was this woke. Klingons in dresses. 😵‍💫😱 What next!? Kirk in a tutu doing Swan Lake?? The Enterprise at 100% power?? Sacrilege!! Scotty would turn over in his grave. 😡

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Ep 7 was a terrible version of Amok Time from TOS. So so bad.

Well, yes. But "Amok Time" was so far back they were buying stories from real science fiction writers--Ted Sturgeon, in that case. Of course, it was also so far back there were real SF writers to buy stories from.

Am I the only one that waits for the entire show to be released and binge it when that service's turn comes up in the streaming cycle?

I don't need to pay 2-4 months of a subscription service for 10 hours of programming.

I just read that they just completed filming Season 2.
Whether that's true or nit…. Hey! I saw it in the Internet, so it has to be true!
It'll probably "air", due to "sunken cost fallacy".

It's true or very near, OFM. Evidently they filmed two ten-episode "seasons" back to back so they didn't have to store or remake some very expensive sets. I've heard unconfirmed reports of some work on the last episode or two of Season 2 so the major plot points will be resolved if Seasons 3 and 4 don't happen--which you'd expect, given the ratings.

I think the only way to avoid 20 episodes in total would be for the new owners to conclude that Season 2 would damage the brand, post-production special effects costs would exceed revenue to where they'd be better off with a tax write-off or some combination of the two. Doesn't matter to me: I gave up when nuTrek started.

The few scenes I saw through the Usual Suspects rant sites showed what looked like a shopping mall in space. With a "Captain" doing yoga or Pilates in the Captain's Chair.
I'm sorry, but I'd rather watch cable news and swear.

I'm so old I remember when a Season had 26 weeks.