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Charlie30 Jan 2026 3:01 p.m. PST

Another unit of late 15th century French arches.
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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP30 Jan 2026 3:20 p.m. PST

Terrific painting, but I hope you will pardon two questions.

Did France ever field the longbow during this time? Your headline is the first I've ever seen to mention the idea. My understanding was they exclusively used the cross bow (or mercenaries armed with the same).

Secondly, that flag to me looks like the banner of Denmark— did a French force also use it?

(Although at one point the flag of England was a white cross on a red field. Later it was reversed to the red cross on white field we know today.)

I honestly don't know the answer to these questions.

Charlie30 Jan 2026 3:41 p.m. PST

@Parzival

Thanks for the questions

1) – Yes indeed, they did. Think of the French in the late medieval period, and first thing you no doubt think of is them being mowed down by English longbowmen in the Hundred Years War, and comparisons between English longbowmen and French crossbowmen.

A few points to consider:

- The Hundred Years War ended in 1453 – so another 47 years of French military in the 'medieval period', if you want to consider that ending at the year 1500! My French are from the 1470s and 1480s.
- The famous battle of Agincourt was in 1415 – so there's 38 more years of the Hundred Years War for the French to adapt their military system. The did in the end win the war after all!

So yeah the French military changed a lot in the final years of the HYW – new attempts at a permanent military force ('compagnies d'ordonnance') loyal to the crown, adapting new tactics learned from their earlier defeats against the English, a growing use of gunpowder weapons (mostly artillery but also hand-held guns)… and yes, attempts to raise large forces of longbowmen to rival the English. It's worth noting that in the latter decades of the HYW the aren't any examples of English archers winning battles.

So by the time we get to the latter half of the century, both French and Burgundian armies did indeed use large numbers of archers. The ordonnance companies of both French and Burgundian armies had 2 or more archers for every mounted man-at-arms.

Longbowmen weren't some sort of 'super-soldiers', but they were considered important for the military tactics of the day, at least in France, Burgundy and of course England.

2) – The white cross of St Denis was adopted by the French during the HYW, and continued to be used for years/centuries to come. There wasn't anything like a national 'uniform' in this era, and the white cross would be used on top of any colour. There's a vague idea that red was the most common, but I honestly don't know how true it is. Still, I went for red for most of my French units! You certainly see a white cross on a red background on a lot of French flags and liveries in period artwork. National uniforms may not have been a thing, but 'liveries' were, and different French companies/units/etc would have worn some sort of livery, presumably featuring the white cross. Quite how uniform/smart the liveries were, and how common red was… who knows? (I do have some other French units in different coloured liveries, but all with the white cross)

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP30 Jan 2026 6:20 p.m. PST

Nicely done!

glengarry630 Jan 2026 7:07 p.m. PST

There is a 15th century French artist (or school of art) that depicts battles of the Hundred Years War with the English in white with red crosses and the French in deep red with white crosses. Whether this is accurate or simply a form of visual shorthand is hard to say, but I've painted my French in those colours!

Red Jacket Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2026 9:38 a.m. PST

Your work is fabulous! I went to your webpage, very impressive.

Lascaris31 Jan 2026 10:02 a.m. PST

Beautiful paint job. I wish I could do as well. Thanks for sharing!

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2026 2:07 p.m. PST

Thanks for answering my questions! And as others have said, again, magnificent job.

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