"What is the point of NATO anymore?" Topic

Legion you are correct. John is from Pennsylvania.

IIRC, the POTUS is on his way to Davos or is already there. So we'll see how all this falls out …

Here's how it's going down behind closed doors. Leaders sitting around "The Table" like they have for decades. Same seats. Same habits. Same unspoken rules about who paid the bill. Who would take the hits.

Trump leaned back in his chair, looked around, and finally said it out loud.

"Look, this isn't working for us anymore."

The room went quiet.

"We need better trade deals. Fair ones. I need you to stop attacking US companies – stop the protectionism. I need you pulling your weight on defense. And I need you to stop propping up the guys who openly work against us by buying their stuff and funding their leverage – you need to stop buying Russian energy…stop buying cheap Chinese cars. I'm not asking for loyalty speeches — I'm asking for alignment."

A few heads nodded. Most didn't.

One ally laughed nervously. "Why are you being so aggressive?"

Another crossed their arms. "You're destabilizing everything."

A third snapped, "You're unpredictable. This is emotional. You're destroying trust."

Trump shrugged. "I'm being direct. I've been saying this quietly for years. Quiet didn't work."

The accusations started flying.

"You're selfish."
"You're dangerous."
"You're acting crazy."

Someone stood up and said, "Fine. Maybe we don't need you at all. We'll figure something else out. I'm blocking your texts!"

Trump didn't shout. He didn't threaten. He just nodded.

"That's your choice," he said. "But don't pretend this is my fault. I asked for change. You chose not to try."

As chairs scraped back and people stormed out, The Table stayed where it was — solid, heavy, unchanged. Some seats remained filled with allies…others were empty, perhaps to be filled by other leaders and new allies.

And for the first time, it was clear who wanted to fix the relationship… and who preferred to flip the table and stomp off in a tantrum rather than admit the balance had shifted, things had changed and old relationships needed to be renewed…

"Norse Vikings, led by Erik the Red, settled Greenland around 985 AD, establishing Norse communities that became part of a Dano-Norwegian domain.

Contact and control faded by the 15th century, with the Norse settlements disappearing, but Denmark maintained a theoretical claim"

Ok, so the U.S. owns the moon? 🌕

We should make it our beloved 51st State. The President can appoint 2 Republican Senators and a new Republican congressman to represent the indigenous natives of the moon. We can give them mail in ballots and count them in the basement of the White House! The opposition party can sit 10 ft away to verify the accuracy of the ballots (keep everyone from spreading covid of course). 😂

Back to Greenland. Maybe a compromise where both Denmark and the U.S. have controls.

I do believe that NATO is actually more necessary than ever, because the threat to the territorial integrity is more acute than ever. During the Cold War the Warsaw Pact leader were well aware of the danger of war, the current threat sees war according to official announcement as a mean to gain more estate and is incapable to grasp the dangers. NATO is lucky to have the support of the EU to face that challenge

Historical Evidence and the Eastern Greenland Case

PDF link

between two insults against the "WTF" Somalians the guy who wants his Canada-Groenland like others wanted Sudetes-Dantzig or Albania-Corsica or Ukraine-Baltic States is explaining that he can buy Groenland like was bought Panama to the "WTF" French…

the new Putin's friend is mixing the Louisiana purchase thanks to the "WTF" French, one good third of the States, with some US past neo-colonial imperialist banana war :
el 'Canal Francés' began to be built in a sovereign and independent country named COLOMBIA where the US Diplomats and USMC landed to favorise the secession of the whole area in 1903 in a country weakened by the The Thousand Days' War/Guerra de los Mil Días…another story quite far from that the profesor of History, morale, sacrifice and "reliability in alliance" and even in "civilization" is teaching today in Davos

Don't worry, all that shocks nobody, Mark Rutte is here, we are saved with such an obsequious guy facing his own "father"
thanks to God one thing is for sure, he's not and was not our father and time to question the servile reintegration into NATO thanks to "Sarko-l'Américain"

So maybe he should be dealing with Norway instead? 😏

Hmmm maybe that is what that last line on the Kensington Runestone in Minnesota says.🤔 "We Swedes and Norwegians coming to this spot, do will all our lands we have claimed so far, to THIS, our new homeland".

So we can claim Iceland, Newfoundland and Greenland by legal and binding right. Of course the moon goes without saying. 😏

What protectionism?

What protectionism?

If you want examples of European protectionism, there's plenty — it's just been dressed up as "regulation" for years.

The European Union blocks or restricts U.S. agricultural products through non-tariff barriers (GMOs, hormone-treated beef, chlorine-washed chicken) while exporting freely to the U.S.
France and Germany protect domestic industries through state subsidies, energy support, and industrial policy that would trigger outrage if the U.S. did the same.
Digital services taxes in France and elsewhere are explicitly aimed at U.S. tech firms.
Defense procurement rules routinely favor "European champions" while U.S. firms are told to partner, localize, or stay out.

None of this is secret or controversial — it's standard European policy. Calling it "free trade" only works if one side isn't allowed to enforce reciprocity.

Asking for fairer terms isn't radical. Pretending the imbalance doesn't exist is.

Sometimes I think about how Winston Churchill wasn't just ignored in the 1930s — he was openly mocked. The British press called him a "warmonger," "dangerously opinionated," and "obsessed with war," dismissing him as a man who "sees conflict everywhere and peace nowhere." Cartoons showed him red-faced, shouting, crude, uncivil — treated as the problem rather than the warning about Adolf Hitler. And then I watch Donald Trump warning about Xi Jinping — about power, dependence, and preparation — and the reaction feels eerily familiar. People act like "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is new, but it's the same old reflex: personal hatred so strong it short-circuits reason, focus on how the warning is delivered instead of what it's warning about, attack the man and feel virtuous dismissing the argument. History has a nasty habit of rebranding "crude and dangerous" as "clear-eyed" only after it's too late — and by then, the bill is higher.

I think that China does not need to use military force for reaching his goals, it will find other ways. Warnings about China are much older than the political career of DJT, Obama already changed the schwerpunkt of US foreign politics.
BTW from my european standpoint protectionism/regulations are just tools, "fair" is way to emotional.
To compare Churchill and DJT is kind of a joke, Churchill is a truly historical person, DJT is an estate mobster with dementia.

DJT is an estate mobster with dementia.

Pretty much what the British media and Establishment class said of Churchill back in the day…

Pretty much sure that is NOT what was said about Churchill.
I worked with people who have dementia, it is so obvious that I am afraid that Vance will be Potus in 2027

DJT:"Until the last few days when I told them about Iceland(!) they loved me.
They called me Daddy."

That is what POTUS said.

Us favours us manufacturers for military equipment.
The EU laws on food are to protect people rather than limit imports. Provide goods to the specified quality and traditional is free. Local providers have to be to that standard, it is not selectively applied.
I think som countries do subsidise steel production. This is because of the price of chinese imports.

Well I have to agree with SB about Churchill, sounds all too familiar.

"Prior to World War II, the English media and the broader political establishment frequently characterized Winston Churchill as an untrustworthy opportunist, a reckless "loose cannon," and an out-of-touch reactionary. During his "wilderness years" in the 1930s, he was widely vilified by the press, his own party, and the general public, often being dismissed as a "noisy and unpopular backbencher".

His reputation was marred by a series of political and military failures that led the press and public to ignore or mock his early warnings about Nazi Germany.
Key Media and Establishment Criticisms

Accusations of Recklessness and Egotism: Following the disastrous Gallipoli campaign in 1915, Churchill was viewed by the press and Parliament as a "reckless adventurist" whose egotism and impetuosity led to a "fiasco". He was hounded for decades with the jeer, "Remember the Dardanelles".
A "Dinosaur" and "Colonel Blimp": Churchill's vociferous opposition to Indian self-government in the 1930s made him appear increasingly out of date. The media portrayed him as a "Colonel Blimp" figure—a Victorian-era relic trumpeting ridiculous, obsolete ideas.

"Warmonger" and "Scaremonger": His unrelenting focus on the Nazi threat was labeled as militaristic "scaremongering" by a public and establishment desperate to avoid another war. Newspapers often omitted his foreboding speeches in favor of Neville Chamberlain's more optimistic views on European peace.

Unprofessional and Unstable: His direct involvement in the Sidney Street siege as Home Secretary led to media criticism that he was "unprofessional and reckless". The press questioned why he was personally risking his life and meddling in police operations instead of attending to his duties.

"Double Ratting": Churchill's history of switching from the Conservatives to the Liberals and then back again led many in the press and the Conservative Party to view him as a disloyal "traitor".

Institutional Suppression

Major British media institutions actively worked to exclude Churchill's viewpoints:

The BBC: Under Director-General Sir John Reith, the BBC effectively "muzzled" Churchill, excluding him from the airwaves prior to World War II. Reith considered Churchill a "dangerous troublemaker" and suppressed programs hostile to Hitler or critical of the government's appeasement policy.

The Times: Editor Geoffrey Dawson also worked to silence Churchill's warnings, even trimming dispatches from correspondents in Berlin that Truthfully reported on Nazi activities because they were deemed "too long".

Economic and Domestic Backlash

Economic Blunders: His tenure as Chancellor of the Exchequer, particularly the decision to return Britain to the Gold Standard at a pre-war parity in 1925, was criticized as neither wise nor politically astute. This move was blamed for causing domestic pain and unemployment.

Anti-Union Sentiment: Churchill was widely hated by the working class and unions, a reputation fueled by his rhetoric and the deployment of troops to break up strikes, most notably the Tonypandy Riots in Wales."

You sure about that, dogtail? Here's an actual political cartoon from the 1930s mocking Churchill as an out of control madman.

link

There is no mentioning of dementia or mobster tactics or hunger for real estate in the article.

Have you heart what DJT said at Davos? Do you consider him mentally fit?

BTW:
Winston Churchill strongly supported the principle of collective security that led to NATO, seeing strong alliances as vital for Western defense against Soviet expansion after WWII, viewing NATO as a crucial military guarantee for peace and a deterrent, building on ideas from the
Atlantic Charter and his advocacy for a "United States of Europe," emphasizing that shared principles must be backed by force, and famously stating that fighting with allies is better than fighting without them.

Doesn´t sound like "Daddy" Trump to me.

Meh, you're missing the forest for the trees. The specific insults and attacks may differ, the pattern and nature of the attacks are similar.

Trump does not have either dementia or Alzheimer's.

We saw for 4 years how someone with both functioned, or I should say, failed to function. Also how all ignored it, until they could no longer do so.

So the world and media got their underwear in knots again for nothing, including we on TMP.

The president says he never planned on using force against Greenland.

Did anyone else hear the sound of bowls releasing in the audience and the janitors rushing around with mops after he said it. Those sphincters must've been held tight for quite a while. 😉

The stock market is happy again. Birds chirp in the air. Dogs are no longer sleeping with cats and the noble bear is back to 💩 in the woods. 🐦 🎶

Now according to reports negotiations were productive, a framework set and no tariffs ……….. for now. < 😈laughing being heard>

But wait!! A week from now and a new crisis du jour will appear and we can all chant the refrain:

"When in trouble and in doubt;
Run in circles, Scream and shout"

And yet Churchill was the obvious choice for PM once WW2 had started, and redeemed himself pretty well through it.

And when he lost the election following the end of the war, he accepted the electoral decision without argument.

Unlike the present US incumbent, who appears to have driven himself to senility by four years fuming over his electoral defeat.

PS. This was written before 35th's post

And yet Churchill was the obvious choice for PM once WW2 had started, and redeemed himself pretty well through it.

And yet people hated him until then, yes? They didn't want to hear the message and reflexively hated the messenger until the bombs began to drop…

And yet people hated him until then, yes? They didn't want to hear the message and reflexively hated the messenger until the bombs began to drop…

And booted him from office when it was apparent that the war had been won. Mind you, he's been on the nose in Australia since refusing to allow Australian troops, ships and airmen to return from the UK and Western Desert, to defend against the Japanese. And, when finally forced to return some, trying to divert them to Rangoon- despite them having no heavy weapons, vehicles or supplies, just boots, uniforms and rifles. The ones not executed when the Japanese over-ran Rangoon would have gone into PoW camps with the troops captured in Malaya and Singapore.

FDR agreed with Churchill, too.

You're probably not interested, but there's a reasonable summary of the issue at link

That doesn't really address that pre-War media and establishment hated Churchill and mocked him mercilessly.

As for the rest, it is interesting and I have written and played PNG and Burma scenarios at a skirmish level. We don't know if Churchill's preference on sending the 7th to Burma was wrong – perhaps thet could have helped stall down the Japanese advance in Burma? But, for what it's worth, I think bringing them back to Australia was the right call. The 7th's troops were wasted in Java but essential during the PNG campaign, so a mixed bag – with 20/20 hindsight Java should have been abandoned and the full 7th committed to PNG.

I wondered where all the dementia talk came from today. Assumed it Must be today's lefty medias talking point of the day.

Then it was confirmed when I saw a couple talking head clips off MSM shows and a big clip from "The View".

"On the January 21, 2026, episode of The View, Whoopi Goldberg called for the 25th Amendment to be invoked to remove Donald Trump from office, stating, "25th Amendment. 25th Amendment. It's time, it's time".

Context of the Comments: Goldberg made the remarks in response to Trump's recent comments at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, where he allegedly confused Iceland with Greenland and discussed NATO.

Reasoning: Goldberg expressed discomfort with Trump's actions and claimed he has "lost his faculties," arguing that there have been "enormous" "lines in the sand" indicating he should be removed.

Panel Discussion: While co-host Joy Behar agreed, stating the WEF speech was the "cherry on the cake," panelist Alyssa Farah Griffin (a former Trump White House official) noted that the 25th Amendment would require the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet to act, noting that "his cabinet is squarely with him".

Response: Goldberg retorted that it was "time for them [the cabinet] to go too". The White House subsequently responded, slamming the co-hosts as "useful idiots" with "no talent".

This follows earlier comments from September 2025 where Goldberg and other hosts on The View discussed the 25th Amendment regarding Trump's mental acuity."

😂🤣 "The View" if you combined all 5 of them together and gave them one cognitive test, they would still fail. 🤣

The Heart of TDA.

That doesn't really address that pre-War media and establishment hated Churchill and mocked him mercilessly.

It's an indication of what the non-Tory voters thought of him.

We don't know if Churchill's preference on sending the 7th to Burma was wrong – perhaps thet could have helped stall down the Japanese advance in Burma?

If it had been a full-strength division with complete TOE, with all the artillery, transport, armoured cavalry regiment, SFMG, ATG and munitions it needed, they may have made a difference, mate. They were desert troops, and in PNG they had to unlearn some things. With just boots, rifles and Brens they'd have been as effective as a three-year-old goal-kicker on a pro football team. At best the Japanese officers' sword arms may have got sore after the executions.

Java. If there was a way to penny-packet out the troops in the worst possible way then the government and CGS could find it. What really puzzles me is why 6DIV was kept in Oz on return, and not deployed in the islands much earlier than it was. They may have made a difference, if the whole DIV was on Java. But that's a question for a different board.

Well … after this meeting in Davos. It appears some sort of deal in the making. And the POTUS said no military action needed.

I think not too many get the way the POTUS does dealmaking. He asks for Mars, knowing full well he won't get. But during the discussion … he convinces all to agree and he can have the moon.

Demented you say ? Demented like a fox … But some still won't see it …

Yes Lilian, thank you but we all study history too …

OVI +1

SBm+1

Dal +1

Ask the Irish how much they lived Churchill.
Or, did someone mention the Bengal famine?

@Legion
yeah I don´t see it.
Quote DJT:
…we have formed the framework of a future deal with respect to Greenland…

That is …what?

I am glad that there is deescalation, but from now on the USA will be treated as an adversary, not an ally.

"I am glad that there is deescalation, but from now on the USA will be treated as an adversary, not an ally."

I have lived long enough to know we have been an adversary to most at one time or another. It is only a matter of degree, which waxes and wanes, depending on time period and leadership in both countries.

Some of the proposed framework:

Greenland would have to give the US control of some of its land as part of a framework deal announced by President Trump and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte in Davos, Switzerland, on Wednesday, according to sources and reports.

US military bases in Greenland — a semi-autonomous territory of Denmark — would be considered sovereign US territories under the terms of the proposed deal, The Telegraph reported.

The deal would allow the US to perform military operations, gather intelligence and train soldiers without obtaining permission from the Danes — and potentially allow the US to expand into and develop land in mineral-rich parts of the Arctic island.

Denmark would also give the US sovereignty over "small pockets" of land for the construction of new US military bases, according to the New York Times.

The compromise, if finalized, would fall short of Trump's original goal of "Complete and Total Control" of Greenland, which the president argued was necessary for US national security.

The expansion of US territory, however, would mark the first time that's happened since World War II, when the Northern Mariana Islands were taken from Japan."

…

"The proposed deal mirrors a 1960 pact between the United Kingdom and Cyprus, which grants the UK sovereignty over two military bases on the Mediterranean island."

Someone else did this before!?? 😱 Shocked I tell you! Shocked!! 😏

I blame Woodrow Wilson.

We are back to reverse engineering reasons for the statements of POTUS. SB, your meeting sounds like another person with a far smaller ego, with a calm demeanor, but we don't really know how stuff gets done in this WH. Stephen Miller is not going to tell us.

I cannot watch the View, but I have no doubt as to their intelligence. Fox did the exact same thing to Biden as the View is doing to Trump, just different details. This way lies stoking anger turning into many viewers and big profits.

I do not think POTUS has ever been very eloquent and he is not detail oriented on the issues. His age may be a factor in the gaffs. His proclivity for falsehoods is not new. But dementia? You don't make 1.2 billion in personal income your first year back in office if you have dementia. Stamina, I am wondering about the apparent Cabinet naps, but we will see.

His impact on the world order is undeniable, classic loose cannon tactics, but we do need to see how it all plays out. Trump's solutions are like going to the dentist for some work and being told he doesn't use novacaine, but you can borrow a hammer to knock yourself out.

agreement or not, a good divorce is better that a bad marriage, now the relationship is becoming totally unhealthy and toxic, time to say hasta la vista Baby to your NATO Papa Doc

the revolutionary atheist communists Eurasian communists new so-called great defenders of european christian values and their communists cousins of the capitalist totalitarian Middle Kingdom must have a good laugh, the 21st century will be chinese thanks to "father" Donald Saturn eating his children

Looks like Trump got what he wanted for the price of words and ruffled feathers. This means he will have secured land, minerals, and defense in one deal for the US. There's no commitment by the US to Greenlander social welfare or supprt spending, that's still all Denmark's $1 USD Billion/year responsibility.

SB, your meeting sounds like another person with a far smaller ego, with a calm demeanor, but we don't really know how stuff gets done in this WH.

I think its pretty clear. Trump knows what hot buttons to push to get an adversarial target off balance and reactive, then he frames the debate and makes a "Big Ask," then after a bunch of arm waving and hair pulling by his adversarial deal target he negotiates from his Big Ask to what he wants. On the other hand, a friendly deal looks like Argentina -- quiet, not fuss, direct and clear transaction.

I am glad that there is deescalation, but from now on the USA will be treated as an adversary, not an ally.

No look at what many in NATO are saying … This is Day 1 … wait … the cake is still in the oven …

I hate to break this to you, but that is the fundamental point about negotiation. Go high, because then you can go lower. Ever sold a car? Yer man isn't a genius, he's just learnt that one lesson. Problem is, for him, everybody else knows it too.

No I'm not surprised of your comments. You are nothing if not predictable. I hate to break it to you … Yes as I have said, but you are too wedded to your anti-POTUS bias …
Here maybe you'll understand this time … You have to escalate to deescalate … You come from a position of strength … Not weakness like we saw with the last POTUS.

Maybe you should read more in detail when I post something. Without seeing my name and automatically reply with a negative post. As I have said previously. You ask more than what want for e.g. a car than you expect/want to get. Have you ever sold a car? Or anything on the open markets ?

Unless they do business differently where you come from ? FWIW I have two degrees from a school of business. And have managed a couple of successful businesses. I'm no Wolf of Wall Street. Not even close …But understand the principles. If you have any formal training/schooling in business, you may want to get your $ back … Just saying …

Have you ever played cards ? A real card game e.g. Poker, Blackjack, etc. Not Old Maid or Go Fish. Do you know what a Poker face is ? FYI – If you show your hand, etc. too soon, you will probably lose your $ and/or your …

Here again I'll reference Sun Tzu. With Poker or even in a business transaction. Bluffing and a little deception is how one makes a good deal. What is the #1 technique to making a deal ?

News Flash for you – compromise – You have to give yourself room to maneuver. Like in e.g. a battle many times. So again … let me paraphrase your post(!!!) … You start high then go low.

FWIW what was the precursor to these moves … I.e. The UN has proved to be less than effective with stopping wars. The best example of using the UN properly is the Korean War, '50-'53. But in the end that nation is still in state of war. Mostly because of the Western Worlds #1 threat – the CCP. Been there … did that … twice …

And most recently the UN has done little when dealing with Gaza and Ukraine. As we see many from you own military when performing UN missions became casualties. May they rest in peace … But they did their duty. I salute them …

Again … NATO, which your nation is not a member of. Has downsized severely. When they thought the Cold War was over. I guess they thought the US would go over there as in WWI & WWII. In reality, like WWII before the Cold War, the Russians took a 15-20 year break. They only changed their name from the USSR to Russia. But the mechanics remained the same the most part.

They never really got the concepts of Capitalism, like the CCP/Chicoms. But they did excel in corruption, criminal activity, fraud, etc. The Russian "Mafia" e.g. in in NYC makes the Italian version look like amateurs.

So with this history in mind. The threat to the West is the CCP, and less so the Russians. Their performance in Ukraine … Well … they don't have the right stuff; they have the wrong stuff. By the full dump truck loads …

The other significant threat to the West is militant islam. But since they don't have nukes … yet … Albeit the US & IDF made that almost impossible with the strikes on Iran. Their threat is mitigated to a point. Based on the on going GWoT.

Bottom line like or hate the POTUS, the US, etc. the actions taken by this Admin will in the long run … be good for the West. And yes, some here, like the Irish, French, UK, Germans, etc. will benefit from keeping Greenland out of the CCPs and even Russia's influences, or worst.

'nuff said … you and others here will waste time reading much of this post. As your minds are already made up. And will not change … Short of WWIII. Which the probability of that is very small, tiny actually. Regardless of what some say. However, to mitigate this threat of the use of the WMDs. The West must come from a position of strength … not weakness.

But again, I just wasted my time … here … again …

Feel free to take your chances.

Others have before, by choice or not. "promises made promises broken".

Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Tibet, and Xinjiang come to mind, but I'm sure you will be the exception. I mean doesn't everyone love the French? 🤷‍♂️

Except for some big ones still not resolved. This phrase has turned into the same unfortunate negative that Bidenomics did.

But I still believe the jury is out on how the new agendas on this roller coaster ride will turn out. The Venezuela attack has been too radical for my taste, but it worked for this phase, and it does show why the Harris failure to deal with root causes made the border crisis far worse. The potential for long term involvement may break a promise in the end.

@35thOVI
"Greenland would have to give the US control of some of its land as part of a framework deal announced by President Trump and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte in Davos, Switzerland, on Wednesday, according to sources and reports."

Rutte cannot negotiate what Denmark/Greenland has to do. Period.

Tort unrelated to this, but just for you.

Murders plummeted more than 20% in 2025 from the year before, the single-largest one-year drop on record — and it might be the lowest murder rate in the U.S. since 1900, a study released Thursday by the Council on Criminal Justice found.

CBS

"The annual crime trends report analyzed data from 40 large cities across the United States for 13 different crime types, including murder, carjacking, theft and drug offenses.

Alongside homicides, which dropped 21% from 2024, carjackings have declined 61% since 2023, while shoplifting is down 10% since 2024. In general, the overall crime rate declined, with violent crimes at or below levels seen in 2019, the analysis found — drug offenses were the only category that rose during this period, while sexual assault remained even. "

Now will they twist themselves into pretzels trying to credit everything and everyone except Trump policies, ie Washington DC, bad uns roundups and deportations? Of course they will. 😉

It says drug offenses were up, but fentanyl deaths dropped significantly.

Now will they twist themselves into pretzels trying to credit everything and everyone except Trump policies, ie Washington DC, bad uns roundups and deportations? Of course they will.

Yes -- and they will continue to pretend that DC is a *state* and not a FEDERAL ZONE. As a Federal Zone designated as under the control of the Federal Government in the Constitution, the Government has the lawful authority and obligation to secure public law and order, and sending in troops didn't violate the Constitution.

Dogtail that is why they call it a framework in negotiation. 😉

Trump was correct when he said Denmark is incapable of defending it. As we found out in WW2.

"Germany overran Denmark in approximately six hours on April 9, 1940, making it one of the shortest military campaigns of World War II. Operation Weserübung began around 4:15 a.m., and due to inferior numbers and the threat of bombing Copenhagen, the Danish government surrendered within a few hours."

In WW2 it fell to the US to do the majority of Greenlands defense. One of my mother's cousin was stationed there.

I am looking forward to Mongolia reclaiming all territory they once conquered.

"If you cannot defend it, it is mine"

Mindset of a rapist…

His posting nothing more than pointing out first hand knowledge. I think pointing out the fact of the defense of it and the 6 day fall was the more important part.

If was going to " go on about it" I would have gone on about

My cousin killed at Morville-sur-Seille while manning a 57mm Anti-tank weapon trying to blunt a German Panzer division counterattack that was trying to keep the Falaise open, while serving with the 80th Division under Patton.

My Uncle in The Philippines awarded the bronze star for staying with his radio calling in artillery rounds as an artillery spotter for a unit he was with being overrun by the Japanese. While with the 38th Division.

Or my cousin in the same division.

My cousin who survived the Bataan Death March. I have a nice multiple page document he wrote about his experiences.

My Uncle who served in Italy and transported officers, including Clark to the front lines.

And of course, the cousin stationed in Greenland.

Those are the ones I know of.

Won't go into the wife's.

So I could go on, but won't.

"I am looking forward to Mongolia reclaiming all territory they once conquered.

"If you cannot defend it, it is mine""

The Chinese might use that as leverage.

🤨 Now that you say that…. Maybe we and the Brit's should split up Western Europe and North Africa!! OHHH….. you said "conquered" not defending or reclaiming for those already conquered by others.

So altogether different. 😂

Goibinu, I see, nothing relevant to add to conversations again? 😏

SB, nothing has been agreed about Greenland, the talks haven't started yet.

Goibinu the more you post, the more I think you might well be from California or even South Bend Ind. and not from the sacred sod of some of my ancestors. 😉

You seem too obsessed with US politics, sort of like Rosie Og.

Besides you have the spelling of Goibniu wrong if it is honor of the Celtic God .

"Goibniu the Blacksmith: Celtic God of Magic
Goibniu (pronounced GUV-new) is a prominent god in Irish Celtic mythology, known as the divine smith, brewer, and craftsman of the Tuatha Dé Danann (a race of deities). He forged the gods' invincible weapons and brewed an ale that granted strength and immortality at his famous Feast of Goibniu, embodying creation, sustenance, and the art of making things. He is also linked to healing and is sometimes identified with the folk figure Gobbán Saer (Gobbán the Joiner). "

Unless your web alias is actually in honor of "Goibinu Industries" in "Sim". In which case I stand corrected.

OVI +1

SBm +1

'Defending' Greenland must have been one of the best postings in the war.

The US still has a Space Force Base there …

nothing has been agreed about Greenland, the talks haven't started yet.

From the reports in the media I believe it already has … But I don't think this will be concluded in a few days … Could take some time.

You seem too obsessed with US politics, sort of like Rosie Og.

I believe that could be a fair assessment …

"Goibniu the Blacksmith: Celtic God of Magic
Goibniu (pronounced GUV-new) is a prominent god in Irish Celtic mythology, known as the divine smith, brewer, and craftsman of the Tuatha Dé Danann (a race of deities).

I saw that on the History Channel. Some say the "Tuatha De' Danann" may have been aliens. Not illegal aliens from 3d World holes. But from deep space(?) … Which would be pretty cool if true. It would also explain some things, even today. Take that for what you will … 👽🛸

The impact of bullets against flesh, the screams, the blood, the fear, the pieces of meat that were living men, the smell..

I medevac'd some with GSWs, stepping on a mine that had been there since '53. And a few other incidents I don't need nor want to go into. Yes, if given the choice those were situations you'd rather not be exposed too. But at the time getting these guys back alive was more important than pretty much anything else.

"When steel meets flesh, flesh yields" … Nothing new … but it is part of the business we chose to be part of …

OVI – My father and uncles served in WWII. My uncle got a Purple Heart and Bronze Star. As did my father but he also got a Silver Star too. They did their duty as your kin did. And so many others … We laud and salute their duty and sacrifice … May they all RIP … And God bless them all …

My mother even made parts for P-39 Aircobras. She was like many women during the war… a "Rose the Riveter" …

We cannot let anyone besmirch they duty and sacrifice …

Mindset of a rapist…

A bit harsh and a bit too dramatic … For that kind of mindset look at what Hamas did on 7 Oct … They were savages. And frankly I have a hard time forgiving them. And I'm not Jewish. I sure many in the IDF won't forgive them either. Hopefully those vile butchers are all dead. From the IDF cleansing the scum with extreme prejudice.

FWIW – We are not done with Iran … the question is how much destruction can be done with TLAMs, Drones, Air Strikes, etc. To the IRGC, the Basij, and Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and Iraqi Shia that went to support their Ayatollah.

Those are the subhuman troglodytes who have the rapist mind set. As well as being psycho killers. May they all rot in Hell …

Of course, Gaza is still being sorted out. However, at least the first steps are being taken. Regardless how small those steps may be …

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