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clibinarium11 Dec 2025 4:27 a.m. PST

I was drinking my tea this morning and browsing the web when I stumbled across the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.

Dmitry Rogozin, a former Russian Deputy PM, revealed a list of initial UK targets in a potential nuclear strike. Nothing that unusual in the context of the last few years and it seems pretty much lifted from UK Ministry of Defence contractors list.

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Places you would expect to see I guess, but one stands out to me as fairly insane- Fivemiletown. The other target Northern Ireland is Belfast (which has a number of weapons systems factories).

Now, I know the place prety well, as that's where I grew up. My father was the vet there and we lived in near the town until I was about 19. Its on the Fermanagh/Tyrone border, and its very agricultural. What Americans might call a Podunk town really; a sleepy place of maybe 1300 people. A village more than a town. A place of no significance, I freely admit, and I grew up happy there. A place so dull Tom Paulin, who stopped there once. wrote a poem about how dull it was
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When we lived there there were two main businesses in the town; the creamery (dairy being the main business in the area) and the garment factory; Cooneen Fabrics. For years the ups and downs of the economy would put both in mortal danger and large layoffs would have a severe impact on the town's wellbeing. Rehiring was a Godsend. The creamery eventually went under. Garment making being under threat always by the movement of factories to the Far East in order to take advantage of cheap labour, Cooneen Fabrics was often on the verge of closure. Again, a tiny place very dependent on a small number of rather small businesses. And the Troubles are not helping either.

Now I find out, after years of living elswhere, that Cooneen Fabrics eventually became Cooneen Defence; surviving by making military and police uniforms. Makes sense I suppose.
You can look at it on google maps- its still a fairly small factory.
Apparently this is enough to warrant a nuclear strike. I really don't understand this. If it were to come to that, we'd be in a world were uniforms won't matter much. Is this just a copy-paste job for propaganda? Would this seriously be on a strike list formulated by actual military men who knew what they are doing? From a cynical point of view it seems like a waste of a warhead.

I used to have nightmares as a kid in the 80s (and a waking fear too) of an ICBM falling on my house. Most kids in the Western world did to a greater or lesser extent; Eastern bloc too. Then I grew up and realised this was silly, considering where I lived (still understanding that war would be civilisation ending). Now apparently my childhood nightmares are more real than they were at the height of the cold war.

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2025 6:28 a.m. PST

With enough nuclear warheads to destroy the world multiple times, they have find some targets for them. I remember the Cold War when I lived in UK and my dad was in the RAF. Plus we lived on a defence housing estate so every now and then went into lockdown for suspicious articles courtesy of the IRA.
World can be a strange place.

doubleones11 Dec 2025 7:12 a.m. PST

As a kid in the 80's, the constant threat of nuclear war never really bothered me or kept me up at night. I knew enough that I didn't want to "survive" a nuclear war and that instant vaporization was far more desirable. Living within a couple miles of a military base was strangely reassuring.

As cool as the ideas of Gamma World and Mad Max are, even at a young age I knew the reality would be short and miserable.

goibinu11 Dec 2025 7:37 a.m. PST

Given the size of the island of Ireland, I don't reckon one nuclear strike more or less would make much difference.

Choctaw11 Dec 2025 8:31 a.m. PST

Just keep a school desk handy that you can duck underneath in case of nuclear war or tornadoes.

OSCS7411 Dec 2025 8:45 a.m. PST

Choctaw+1

We used to go to the center passageway and do the turtle. A Nike site was less than 2 miles away.

Red Dragon 4411 Dec 2025 8:54 a.m. PST

I worked in central London in the early 80's. I well remember hearing IRA bombs going off in the distance.

SBminisguy11 Dec 2025 9:00 a.m. PST

As a kid in the 80's, the constant threat of nuclear war never really bothered me or kept me up at night.

True, we played Morrow Project in the 80s, which starts off by crafting your own nuclear apoc bomb map of your campaign area. Turns out that the Soviets had so many warheads pointed at the United States they doubled up on targets, and since they thought that "NWS" stood for National Weapons Storage they aimed nukes at US parklands…

When the USSR collapsed and the threat of hair-trigger nuclear was had subsided I felt like a weight I never knew about had been lifted.

BattlerBritain11 Dec 2025 11:14 a.m. PST

Sounds like the Sov radiation map of Ireland had a few bits still to cover so pick a place that would fill the gap?

In the 80s I was in light blue uniform working on simulators at a certain large RAF transport base. Not exactly high military value or capability for me or anything at where I was.

So on shift with 7 others at 3am one weekday morning we get a call from onsite RAF Plod to quickly muster our immense military capability by all of us getting our coats on and invited to go for a walk along the perimeter fence, in the rain in our shoes and equipped with one piece of hickory stick (aka a pickaxe handle) between us.

Reason: somebody had spotted a suspicious car driving outside the wire and thought it might be our Irish friends paying a visit.

Seeing as how Irish guests might be toting something more military than a pickaxe handle I did ask whether we were to use the thing to try and swat the bullets away?

RAF Plod then asked if I'd like a long look at the inside of Colchester nick if I didn't get going?

3hrs later all 8 of us returned from our wet perimeter walk having spotted only rabbits. RAF Plod were still indoors eating doughnuts, sat next to their weapons locker.

For some reason I decided to leave the light blue lot shortly after 🙄.

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