"What's up with Ash and Bishop (Alien/s, dah!)" Topic

Watched alien commentary.

Realised it was milk Ash was spewing when his head came off, not android blood, as he had been drinking milk a lot.

Then why the change to having Bishop cut his finger with white blood, and when ripped apart.

Then again in Alien 3?

Yet the Alien 3 suspected android Bishop has red blood at the end when hit on the head/ear?

Did Cameron not realise it was milk, not blood in the first film?

White blood is cool. But it's obviously not accurate to the first film either.

Was it a take on the white blooded company wanting to enslave black aliens? Perhaps at the cost of the unit of Indian braves?

Was Ripley some sort of Pocahontas?

Was Bishop perhaps John Smith, with his white blood?

Could it have been lubricant? I thought so. (obviously, meant to be seen as blood)

Could have been a lubricant or a hydraulic fluid of sorts.

No.

Sheesh, one track minds.

The lube was smeared on the alien costume, by an excited "Nancy" chap, for want of a better word. According to the cast in the extra features. From memory Veronica Cartwright does the impression.

In the commentary Ridley Scott clearly points out that what erupts from Ash's neck is supposed to be milk, though they actually used white water to avoid spoiling, as Ash had been drinking milk often.

He is seen drinking milk in the film, likely a few times, though I haven't checked.

I suspect the white blood in Aliens helped with the underlying story/s. And they just thought most people probably assumed it was synthetic blood/oil.

Actually Scott also says he's half to two thirds human, a replicant.

Actually there are noodles in his neck, so he probably had a noodle brain.

I believe, unless Cameron's team were incompetent, the white blood is in Aliens for a definite reason. And just carried to alien 3 by the fact Bishop is in it.

I'll try to check on it at some point.

In the theatrical version, Ash drinks milk when they are having breakfast after waking up and again in the lab after talking to Ripley.

He is not seen with milk at Kane's death.

Bishop is very chiasmic with his hand on Hudson's hand, then quickly cuts himself with a knife and minimal white liquid.

The queen's two hands tear him apart with lots of white liquid after slowly stabbing him with her tail blade.

Note in slow motion, the queen doesn't seem to grab his legs, they just fly off by themselves!

One thing left to check.

Is that white liquid from Bishop also milk?

Was he drinking it also?

And does it definitely appear in alien 3?

PS

I'm noticing a definite Halloween theme to alien.

You have someone going into the pumpkin patch.

A witch and her cat (Ripley and Jones), a pirate and his parrot (Parker and Brett), a jock and a cheerleader (Dallas and Lambert), the man and the monster (Kane and alien), the robot/ghost (Ash).

Jones in the cage and Dallas and Brett in the eggs may also be symbolic of bags of candy?

The aliens second mouth may be symbolic of someone in a costume?

And a definite haunted house going on.

Also Dallas "dies" in a pipe type set up with a flame of burning gas. Akin to a Texas oil well?

Couldn't see Bishop with any milk.

Cornbread, yes.

"The query "aliens android milk" refers to the white, milk-like substance that is the blood of androids, particularly Ash from the movie Alien. In the film, Ash is seen drinking a white, milky fluid that is actually his hydraulic fluid, not milk. This white, milky fluid is used as a key visual element throughout the Alien franchise to distinguish androids from humans and can also serve as a metaphor for the sexual and violent themes in the films."

That's from Google ai.

What a crock.

If it was "hydraulic fluid", then why was there a jug of it on the table at breakfast and why did no one try to drink it and discover he's drinking"hydraulic fluid"?

Pure nonsense.

As usual from ai.

Another point is I don't believe the adult alien blood was ever shown to be acid in the first film.

Just the facehugger's.

And Lambert?

She has some gripe (pun intended) with Kane.

That griping bit was hot. In case anyone missed it, like I had forever??

She seemed to enjoy Parker's flirting.

I thought there was something else, but I don't remember.

In Aliens, apparently Lambert is a "despin convert", which is Aliens terminology for Dr Who's going to "the knackers yard". So to speak.

So, Cameron's film is suggesting that there is only one female in Alien.

I thought the 80s were about breaking glass ceilings?

Really it's just a bored person doing some needed fill for some background screens no one is supposed to read.

You can't read it on the DVD.

Thank God.

But it's not the only instance of such a thing.

The TNG bridge has all the actual production staff on the ships name plate.

R2D2 and C3PO in India Jones.

ETs in Episode who cares.

Various sci-fi cars, ships and robots in other films.

Is Silent Running part of BSG? No.

So, grain of salt.

I'm sure some types will jump on it.

It's a bit disrespectful to Veronica Cartwright, suggesting she looks like a bloke.

Also the same types who may push it must feel torn, as then it's a woman playing a bloke playing a woman, and isn't that meant to be bad?

Definitely a bored joke, or DEI (before there was such nonsense) in design gone wrong.

Note also Aliens suggests Ash has milk blood. When everyone is able to drink it.

Aliens also suggests a queen laid the eggs. When a cut shot suggests they are grown from hosts.

People have a go a Alien 3, when it's Aliens that actually tried to screw things up. Alien 3 did it's best to fix them. In about the only way possible.

"I like griping."

Actually, watching the directors cut, it's half covered up by Ripley.

So I'm not sure where the full Lambert text is coming from, but according to the film, it's not what you see.

"(Male to Female), so far-related to gender"

That's about it.

The DVD is blurry, but with the online pics, you can just make it out.

Unless it's somewhere else in the film, I'd call that inconclusive, as far as cannon.

PS

The bit before has Ripley saying

"Good, that's because I blew it out of the 'yadda yadda' air lock. Like I said."

She stands, so there's her and Lambert in frame. Plus her in her dialogue, plus the alien being mentioned as "it".

So that's 3 women and 1 (assumed man, being the alien).

She turns away, towards Lambert, as "(male to female)" shows up.

Meaning only 2 women and 1 male linger. As Ripley has vanished by turning away and the ("male to female)" line takes the place of her lines of dialogue.

Then the next bit has a man turn towards a woman between one, then, two men as the camera pans. The exact opposite of Ripley's set up.

"Are there any species like this hostile organism on LV426."

She says. "No it's a rock, no indigenous life." As the guy next to her goes to sleep.

So…

The words on the screen, may have been put there to fill a gap of needing an extra woman and man. And someone just made up the blurb, even though it's not to be taken seriously and can't be properly seen anyway.

Like how most films/shows have fire extinguishers. Not for safety, but because something red is needed. They, along with car taillights, are regular go toos.

Or, in this scene, the chaps red tie.