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Baranovich18 Oct 2025 12:38 p.m. PST

Hello all. Over the past ten years, I've created mostly running water effects for rivers utilizing gloss Mod Podge over a dark color paint. I also used Mod Podge for ocean coastal terrain boards.

Mod Podge is great for these types of water features because you're creating waves and ripples and a water surface that is moving.

However, Mod Podge isn't really the right thing for portraying still water or very calm water, such as you'd find like in a canal or a small pond or marsh. That being said, you can certainly portray a pond or canal with moving surface water because wind certainly moves water, so these features are never really entirely "still".

But even so, there is a distinct visual difference on the tabletop between moving water and still water, and I wanted to finally do a pond that had that calm, still water feel to it.

I didn't want to deal with resin if I didn't have to. So I turned to a water-based gel from Woodland Scenics. This is actually a product from Woodland Scenics' school project diorama range. You can find some of this stuff at places Michaels Crafts. This particular bottle gives you enough stuff to a 1/8" deep body of water that is about 5" x 7".

A few insights about the project. The gel worked very much the same as pouring clear Elmers glue into a basin. However, both do have an issue with shrinking as they dry. The gel remained tight up against the shore on one end, but drew back from the other. However visually this didn't really affect the overall look too much. Also, the gel didn't totally level and flatten, it left a bit of a "curve" at the edges of the water which takes some realism away from how water fills a basin in nature.

Ironically, the edge where the gel shrunk and drew away actually looks more realistic in terms of water being right up against the shore.

I also learned a few things about placing other terrain features in the water like rocks, grasses, and reeds.

I thought that the gel would flow around and settle flatly around these features, so I glued them into the basin first. What I discovered is that the gel tends to cling to and "rise up" around the feature, I guess because of surface tension or something. Also, the gel doesn't settle around grass tufts, but instead actually gets soaked up into them, ruining the entire effect. When it came to the rocks, it actually looks pretty realistic to have the gel around the rocks and the rocks being partially submerged. But they also have the problem of the gel rising up and clinging to the rocks and not staying level.

So after everything was dry, I went back and added another grass tuft, glued ON TOP of the water, as well as a third stack of reeds. So you can see in the photos how both versions look. I went back and painted some dirt colors around the tufts that soaked up the gel to make them look like little mounds of earth which works ok.

I finally painted in some lily pads on one corner of the water surface to add some visual variety.

Cleary, the way to go with modeling still water is to glue on all your surface features like grasses and rocks, etc AFTER the poured product is dry. That way, it look like they're actually growing out of the water and the water itself can remain flat.

myxemail Supporting Member of TMP18 Oct 2025 12:48 p.m. PST

The surface looks great. Just the right amount of "motion". Looking at the edges, does it appear as if the gel crept up the edge? Using two part epoxy has that behavior of capillary action on terrain edges.

Baranovich18 Oct 2025 12:57 p.m. PST

@myxemail,

Thanks, much appreciated!

Yeah, this was very much an intelligence gathering mission on doing something totally new.

Actually, what you see there is the edges where the gel stayed in place and didn't shrink back. From the angle of the photos, it looks the water crept up the slope, but it's actually flat. The problem area was the other side where you can see the gel sort of "curl" and leave that rounded lip.

I found it interesting that on one side it shrank back and the other it curved.

This is sort of the closest thing I've done to like legitimate railroad modeling terrain as it were. I have a new appreciation for using poured water products, and I would like to try actual resin at some point if I do any more water features.

myxemail Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2025 5:02 a.m. PST

I do not know how "liquid" the gel is right out of the bottle. But I wonder it might be just enough in a liquid state that it flows ever slowly until it cures. With that theory, it sounds like your pond wasn't perfectly level on your work table. An interesting consideration when doing the larger water pieces

Baranovich20 Oct 2025 1:20 p.m. PST

@myxemail,

That is possible. However, I remember right after the pour I immediately put it onto a stand that was pretty darn close to level.

I feel like it was more just shrinkage than a leveling issue.

That being said, I DID NOT actually check to see if the surface was truly level! So a couple of degrees either way could be indeed the reason why it ended up being uneven! You could very well be right!

Baranovich20 Oct 2025 1:22 p.m. PST

Oh, to answer your question. When it comes out of the bottle, I would say it has a similar consistency of like a thinner version of maple syrup. Liquidy but slow flowing.

So there would certainly be a chance for it to shift if it was not totally level.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2025 5:48 p.m. PST

Thanks for the very useful information!

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