| pfmodel | 23 Sep 2025 2:01 a.m. PST |
I am attempt to learn these rules and am having some issues. Does anyone know if there is any community, web site or additional material I can use to assist me in learning the rules. The rules are Guard du Corps by Rudy Scott Nelson, published in 2004. It was the 3rd edition according to the author. The link to down-load the rules is;
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| GeorgBuchner | 23 Sep 2025 6:44 a.m. PST |
Hi Peter
I those rules too and also 1st and 2nd editions, – what issues are you having with the 3rd edition set? It might be something that the earlier editions can clarify? |
 ColCampbell  | 23 Sep 2025 11:24 a.m. PST |
Rudy is a TMP member and should contact you to answer your queries. Jim |
| TimePortal | 23 Sep 2025 12:35 p.m. PST |
At a show, sorry for the delay.
The 3rd edition was in a red box and published by Xeno games. It was hurried to press without my review.
What a horrible mess he did. ACW artwork for a Napoleonic game was my first concern.
The Second edition Gold cover was the best version.
Send email scottnelson@bellsouth.net with questions. I will see scale called War Eagles.'if I can find a copy. We had did another set with similar scale called War Eagles. |
| pfmodel | 23 Sep 2025 4:17 p.m. PST |
The 3rd edition was in a red box and published by Xeno games. It was hurried to press without my review.
What a horrible mess he did. ACW artwork for a Napoleonic game was my first concern.
The Second edition Gold cover was the best version.
Send email scottnelson@bellsouth.net with questions. I will see scale called War Eagles.'if I can find a copy.
Thanks, my initial question was related to MMG. Its unclear what this stands for, I am assuming Morale & Melee Grade and the full MME contains the morale and the melee value, such as "B8", with the Morale Grade being "B" in that case and the melee value being "8". Is this correct or am i off base. I am looking at the downloadedable version by Rudy Scott Nelson, dated 2004. Its a word document. It does seem like it has a lot of missing stuff, such as weather rules. I will look out for the 2nd edition, it may resolve most of my issues. If you have a copy of war eagles i would appreciate a copy – let me know if you find it and i will send you my email address.
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| TimePortal | 23 Sep 2025 6:12 p.m. PST |
Morale Melee Evaluations. Morale are the letter grades and numbers are melee. So regular troops drilled with good officers may have a C morale but a unit with poorer quality officers may only have a D rating. Officer quality and veteran of prior battles has a lot to do with the ratings. Honestly I have never of a downloadable version. I am not sure who did it. 2004 was also a surprise. The Gold cover was done in 1985-86. I thought the Ceno version 1994-5. |
| pfmodel | 23 Sep 2025 9:51 p.m. PST |
Honestly I have never of a downloadable version. I am not sure who did it. 2004 was also a surprise. The Gold cover was done in 1985-86. I thought the Ceno version 1994-5.
That is interesting, the link to the word document is in my 1st post, repeated here
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I suspect i may be wasting my time trying to work out the rules that i have a copy of, as i think they may not be complete. I am now struggling to determine if the phases are sequential or simultaneous. I suspect i may be better off getting an official printed set of rules instead. If the 2nd edition is the best one, i will look for that.
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| pfmodel | 23 Sep 2025 9:52 p.m. PST |
Morale Melee Evaluations. Morale are the letter grades and numbers are melee Thanks – i suspected that was the case, but its good to have it confirmed. |
| Mirosav | 24 Sep 2025 8:56 a.m. PST |
I played many games with the 2nd edition in the late 80s-eatly 90s. Good memories. |
| TimePortal | 24 Sep 2025 10:21 a.m. PST |
It should be MMG not E.
I will give your link a look at. |
| TimePortal | 24 Sep 2025 10:37 a.m. PST |
I remember 24 now. It came after War Eagles was released. It was an effort for any player could use them regardless of basing. Initially and my Oder armies used the 1 1/2@ front but later I used tje 3/4" frontage. Mainly due to unit frontage compared to ground scale. Viewing the unit deployment as the area influenced by the unit rather than physically occupied. Makes the wider front ok as is. |
| pfmodel | 24 Sep 2025 2:19 p.m. PST |
It should be MMG not E.
I will give your link a look at. Thanks |
 Extra Crispy  | 24 Sep 2025 8:16 p.m. PST |
@TimePortal: I'm the owner of the DeepFriedHapppyMice site where a lot of your older rules are available as free PDFs. You sent them to me years ago…please get in touch if you have any issues with my continuing to post them for free downloads. mark@scalecreep.com |
| TimePortal | 24 Sep 2025 10:41 p.m. PST |
No issues Mark. I just knew I did not get a new copyright in 2004.
Any mistakes on the pdf would be mine. |
| pfmodel | 24 Sep 2025 11:32 p.m. PST |
I have decided to complete my analysis of the Guard du Corps 3rd Edition freeware rules. Most of the gaps, such as a lack of weather rules, is not important, so think i can get a good enough understanding of the rules to play a game or two. There are a lot of good ideas in the rules which i like. I am not a fan of simultaneous movement, as it tends to causes too many disagreements on the playing area, but the tactical chit system is a good way of overcoming many of these issues. If I complete my analysis and have a few games I will let you know how it goes. I normally game at a higher scale, but for some strange reason I have the unit=battalion bug and have been trying a few rules at that scale to see how the various rules flows. This is clearly what occurs when you retire; you end up with a lot of free time. |
| TimePortal | 25 Sep 2025 7:42 p.m. PST |
Great
Good gaming.
Remember do it with firepower if you can break them. The bayonet was to unpredictable |
| pfmodel | 27 Sep 2025 2:02 a.m. PST |
Remember do it with firepower if you can break them. The bayonet was to unpredictable Blücher may not agree, but Schwarzenberg would likely follow your advice. |
| pfmodel | 04 Oct 2025 5:39 p.m. PST |
If anyone is interested, i have created the following game aids for these rules. I also have a 3 column, cross referenced, version of the rules which i will be using as a reference document for a game, if anyone is interested i can add that as well to this folder.
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| DevoutDavout | 04 Oct 2025 8:31 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the resources. Will check them out in some downtime. Always up for new rules I haven't yet checked out. I follow over on Rumble by the way. Will keep an eye out for any videos on it, if that is a plan. |
| pfmodel | 05 Oct 2025 1:23 a.m. PST |
I follow over on Rumble by the way. Will keep an eye out for any videos on it, if that is a plan. Thanks for viewing my videos. I will likely only do a few videos of Garde du Corps after I have completed some play test games. I like old school rules, but they take a lot of effort to study and learn correctly, so it will take some time before i get any videos out. I am even thinking of going back to Empire 3rd edition to see if I can work out how to play those rules as well, but that is a project for next year. As for Garde du Corps, I am finishing up the force mixes for my standard battles using Garde du Corps unit specifications and what i think is a reasonable points system. I should be posted them in a few days. I will likely try out a column v corps from Austerlitz for my initial play test games. There are some rather interesting ideas in those rules, which i like. The combat system is pretty complex, reminds me of the old OMG Corps Commander from the late 1980's. I think complex combat systems were the trend in the 1980's for some reason. |
| DevoutDavout | 05 Oct 2025 9:54 a.m. PST |
I will likely only do a few videos of Garde du Corps after I have completed some play test games. I like old school rules, but they take a lot of effort to study and learn correctly, so it will take some time before i get any videos out. I am even thinking of going back to Empire 3rd edition to see if I can work out how to play those rules as well, but that is a project for next year After reading this, my goodness please, please pick up Valmy to Waterloo. I feel the exact same way and V2W is in my opinion all the good of Empire but more elegant and accurate. You will not find a digital copy (I have tried contacting the author) and you will not find much else either, but hard copies are easy to find. By all means excited for Guard du Corps and finish that out, but when you say the above my response is I have exactly what you need but you didnt know it haha. Will help you acquire if need be. PS Either share an email or let me know what platform you use that allows DMs. |
| TimePortal | 05 Oct 2025 3:40 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the interest guys. Makes my 71 year old heart jump. Ot is that due to my plastic heart valve? Lol |
| pfmodel | 05 Oct 2025 3:53 p.m. PST |
After reading this, my goodness please, please pick up Valmy to Waterloo. I will pick up a copy. As for digital copies, as an old WRG gamer i was forced to scan those rules so i could find important rules. So as long as rules are not too long i should be able to manage. If the rules are well structured and easy to learn, then there is no need for any scanning. |
| DevoutDavout | 05 Oct 2025 3:59 p.m. PST |
TP – Absolutely. I have a long trip next week and have it in my queue. Will need it. Love new (to me) rules at this scale. PF – No worries. I did a look earlier and saw none in the states, but if you run into some over here, just let me know and I'd be glad to send it over. |
| pfmodel | 05 Oct 2025 4:51 p.m. PST |
TimePortal Thanks for the interest guys. Just checking if you are ok with me making my cross referenced and reformatted version of your rules available for people to download. Unless you approve i will only make my cheat sheets, examples and scenario pdf available. |
| TimePortal | 05 Oct 2025 6:52 p.m. PST |
It is ok.
I regarded my articles, books and rules as timers. Encouraging readers to research more history topics. |
| pfmodel | 05 Oct 2025 10:24 p.m. PST |
It is ok. Danke I have posted my scenario CARDS pdf, as well as the rules pdf. The 3 column version is best as a reference document during play, but for those with poor eye sight there is a two column version as well. I have noted as gamers get older, eye sight tends to be the first impediment to reading rules. I have made some assumptions, which i hope are correct. I checked them against the text in the document i downloaded. The EXAMPLE document contains examples of play based on my understanding of the rules. |
| TimePortal | 06 Oct 2025 9:51 a.m. PST |
I do not know your basing but depth should be deeper than the width .
Due troop caisson and wagons, the artillery deployment zone results in a movement obstacles. |
| pfmodel | 06 Oct 2025 1:17 p.m. PST |
I do not know your basing but depth should be deeper than the width .
Due troop caisson and wagons, the artillery deployment zone results in a movement obstacles. I copied the basing from the rules i have. The rules list a number of different basing systems, the 1st recommended on is, titled "Units based using the Original GdC and Empire similar bases" and for infantry is;
Infantry basic stand width is 1 ½' or 40mm and depth is ½" or 15mm I did not show the Basing for units on the ‘Napoleon Battle's' system, which has infantry bases deeper than its width. I could not find any rules for artillery deployment zones, but an artillery piece is 8cm deep, so would that represent an artillery deployment zone. |
| TimePortal | 06 Oct 2025 6:24 p.m. PST |
The deployment zone is the base |
| pfmodel | 06 Oct 2025 10:19 p.m. PST |
The deployment zone is the base Understood, in that case the artillery base is 8cm deep. I have just divided it in two in some of my diagram to show the artillery and its limber. I am also not showing the limber in some of my examples, because it takes up too much room. |
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