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Tortorella  | 12 Sep 2025 1:54 p.m. PST |
Only in that he left out his historic role in the decline of civil public speech in America. And what of the people in the middle, like the Minnesota Speaker of the House who was gunned down in her own home this year, with a couple of others. His examples do not unite us. This AM a reporter asked him how he was holding up, meaning the grief about Kirk, and he launched into the 150 trucks arriving to start on his new ballroom. There was an opportunity there.. |
| SBminisguy | 12 Sep 2025 2:00 p.m. PST |
Only in that he left out his historic role in the decline of civil public speech in America. NO! He is the response to decades of assaults on free speech and increasing control, and street violence by Democrats and the Left. They destroyed civil discourse to impose controls -- hate speech codes, controls at social media, embedding these practices within major companies via HR capture, censoring and shutting down dissenting voices. Free speech was going off a cliff already, not Trump's fault. There was an opportunity there.. Yeah, don't hold your breath. After 11 years of relentless political, legal, economic and physical attacks -- including taking a bullet that but for wind-drift of 4mm would have blown his brains out, he's all outta frucks. And I'm not Charlie Kirk. Pretty much I'm outta frucks as well. I remember my own city mayor, a Democrat, ordering the cops to stand-down and let Antifa attack Trump supporters at a downtown convention center. Here ya go: YouTube link Can you tell me where a Republican mayor did that?? |
| 35thOVI | 12 Sep 2025 2:47 p.m. PST |
"This AM a reporter asked him how he was holding up, meaning the grief about Kirk, and he launched into the 150 trucks arriving to start on his new ballroom. There was an opportunity there.." Tort, before I respond on this, where did you see this? Was it live, or a modified version? |
| 35thOVI | 12 Sep 2025 3:21 p.m. PST |
Let me try and point out some differences in responses to 3 recent incidents: Iryna Zarutska A young white Ukrainian woman stabbed to death by a black career criminal with 14 previous arrest and releases by a judicial system that cares more about the perpetuator than it does about the people he can effect adversely. Robin Westman, another radicalized transgender who kills and wounds multiple Catholic school children and hated Christians in general. Tyler Robinson, who somehow became a radicalized anti facist, spouting ANTFA slogans and words from their song. A person they noticed recently had become political and agitated. Who decides that a father of 2, Christian and right wing activists, was the epitome of newborn fascism and therefore worthy in his eyes, of death. We have not seen rampant groups of right wing extremist, or foaming at the mouth MAGA supporters, burning, looting and yes killing, in "mostly peaceful" protests. Instead we have seen prayer vigils on many college campuses.
I have not seen or heard TV or radio hosts telling their followers to go out and do any of the above. Instead I've heard just the opposite. "Look to God", "Don't commit violence, instead let your voices be heard like that of Charlie Kirk." "Show them they cannot force you into silence." I have listened to all the big ones on radio and Fox since the killing. I have heard anger, but not calls to violence. Compare that to all the "mostly peaceful" "protests" from the radical left, at any provocation. I won't name the incidents, because we all know them. We also know how the media helped to fuel them, ie "Hands up! Don't Shoot!" …. Etc etc. Add the anti Israel/pro Hamas protests and attacks on American Jews and Jewish property. |
 Dal Gavan | 12 Sep 2025 3:31 p.m. PST |
Just a quick question from a dumb furriner: When youse mob start your next civil war, will youse be using the same blue and grey ("gray" in Yanklish) uniforms as before? I'd like to know which side I'm looking at in next month's news videos. Seriously, another person has been killed because someone else didn't like his ideas, and blowflies from both sides of politics are buzzing the corpse, trying to grab advantage from his death. As they have with how many other attempted or actual assassinations in the US, in the last five or six years? (Nor has the rest of the world been spared this BS- in some countries offing the opposition seems to be a national sport.) Why is anyone, in any country, surprised at the end result of the divisions encouraged by all sides of politics? It's not just a US disease, nor is it the preserve of the so-called "Left" and "Right"- every political organisation does it. Creating an "Us Versus Them" political outlook is as old as democracy, but the technology of today, and the weaponry, has made it possible to push things beyond what our grandparents lived through. |
| SBminisguy | 12 Sep 2025 5:05 p.m. PST |
how many other attempted or actual assassinations in the US, in the last five or six years? This is a problem of violence coming from the American Left. They spent decades building their power base inside Government and media and social influencers, keeping the People off balance and confused. Whenever their power was threatened, out comes the Antifa mobs -- from the "Move On" and "Occupy" marches and assaults of the Bush '43 years, to every year of Trump's first term in office culminating on the horrifically destructive "Summer of Love" in 2020 that included a direct Antifa/BLM mob assault on the White House resulting in 160 injured Federal officers, and numerous fires and property destruction including an historic church. But you know what, in contrast? November 2008 when Obama was elected, ALL of the leftist groups simply…vanished…only to be seen briefly in the 2012 election cycle, but otherwise absent until activated against Trump in 2016. And they kept at it for the next 4 years until suddenly, like magic, when Biden was elected they just…vanished! And with Trump's re-election, he's dismantling their power base. He's removing the illegal aliens that gave them an artificial Census boost to add seats in Congress, and more Federal funding. He's dismantling the grift game by shutting down the money laundering schemes where you take tax dollars and pass out the $$$ to your allies and front groups through agencies like USAID and the EPA, and then they take kickbacks in the form of campaign contributions, speaking fees and magic investments. He's also dismantled their direct and indirect control over industry and social media -- ending DEI, ending ESG, ending the Department of Misinformation and FBI embeds in Social Media. All coming down. And Charlie Kirk was an effective speaker, dismantling their ideology within the bastion of the University, the heart of Leftist intellectual/moral power. So the culture battle was also turning against them, and they have become increasingly vitriolic, violent and desperate to keep power. As for a Second Civi War, God forbid, but there are no "Blue States," only Blue Metro area. The Democrats are an Archipelago Party with their power base in the Big Cities, with control extended over other parts of their State via aggressive gerrymandering and election gimmicks. Here's what the US political map looks like today. What will the "Blue" areas do if the "Red" areas simply shut off the power, water and food shipments?
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| 35thOVI | 12 Sep 2025 5:53 p.m. PST |
Yes God Forbid ever a Civil War again. If anyone did not listen to Erika Kirk's speech tonight, you should really try to find it. No talk of hate, revenge or violence. Talk of love, horrible loss, religion, trying to explain it to their 3 year old, love of country, a message of hope, and continuing Charlie's legacy onward. Yes Fox carried it all live. Curious did CNN, MSNBC or any other? I did not change channels, so really don't know. |
 Legion 4 | 12 Sep 2025 7:33 p.m. PST |
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| Dal Gavan | 12 Sep 2025 9:52 p.m. PST |
SBM, thanks for the explanation, mate, though I'll admit that I didn't understand all of it (however, the colours will be blue and red, not blue and grey?). Here the far right has not been sleeping, though the "Rent A Protestor" left is larger, louder and more visible. Unless my memory fails me, the US right and left are also fairly visible, regardless of whose bum's on the big chair- but not as visible as in the last 10 years or so. At least that's how it's seen here. No, I don't want the US to have another civil war, either, but from the outside (skewed by sensationalist gossip-mongers, I know) it seems you're shuffling nearer the brink. If anyone did not listen to Erika Kirk's speech tonight I doubt it will be aired here, 35th, but I've listened to/given enough eulogies in the past years, and can guess. Some poor  being wiped because some cretinous, murderous moron doesn't like his viewpoint. So much for "Homo Sapiens"- "Homo Crasse Stultus" is more like it. |
| Tortorella | 13 Sep 2025 5:18 a.m. PST |
35th, this was covered in a number of places, not sure I copied it right.
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It seems to work, I know nothing about social media. The reporter was from Newsmax.
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| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 5:37 a.m. PST |
Tort, Exactly. It was an out of context clip of the end of a bunch of questions and answers with the press, where other questions on Charlie Kirk had been asked and answered. He could not say much more than he had then and for the last few days. Obviously done to make him look cold and uncaring. I watched it live. If one believes that to be the case, then one has not listened and watched him since the murder of Mr. Kirk. Also Mr and Mrs Vance, who were even closer to the family and actually went out to the wife and JD helped to hold his casket. Subject: Video: JD Vance Carries Assassinated Charlie Kirk's Casket Aboard Air Force Two
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| Tortorella | 13 Sep 2025 5:43 a.m. PST |
It's interesting to consider the possibilities. The Blue states control the wealth. Many Red States depend on this money for their essential service subsidies. The map boundaries are not etched in stone.The northeast might easily cut a deal with Canada to replace everything you mentioned. We buy Canadian food in our supermarkets. We have family ties, cultural connections, share history. Blue states may have water, far more than many red states. But what they really have is money and that is also power. Many ordinary people feel they are under continuous attack from the right, not considered to be real Americans, fear retribution culture. The right does not own victim derangement syndrome. I don't see violence coming out of this, but separation gains a little bit of traction every time the blamers kick into high gear. There is plenty of blame for both sides, but we cannot control reactions at this point. A new conciliatory leadership, currently nowhere in sight on either side, is needed. |
| Tortorella | 13 Sep 2025 5:46 a.m. PST |
35th, I get it. It was skillfully done in that case. I have not followed as much as you. Thanks… |
| Tortorella | 13 Sep 2025 5:59 a.m. PST |
SB, we cannot agree on this as absolute. McCarthy, Nixon, Ailes, Limbaugh,etc. all helped build today's discourse as well, IMO. |
| OSCS74 | 13 Sep 2025 8:14 a.m. PST |
Killing "people" in this case terrorist without a trial or a warning shot. Ask yourself has this been done before and has the POTUS suffered any successful legal action against him. Yes, this has been done before and no legal action was successful. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama's two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush. Between 384 and 807 civilians were killed in those countries, according to reports logged by the Bureau. In case you have selective memory. Obama's air campaign targeting Yemen. His first strike was a catastrophe: commanders thought they were targeting al Qaeda but instead hit a tribe with cluster munitions, killing 55 people. Twenty-one were children – 10 of them under five. Twelve were women, five of them pregnant. No warning shots or trials were given. No legal action was successful. |
| Incavart77 | 13 Sep 2025 8:37 a.m. PST |
@35thOVI, Incavart based on the last part of your last post, half or more of current Democratic politician's and the last two Democratic Presidents should have and should currently lose their jobs. You brought up someone specific and so did I. One answer came easily about an unimportant, powerless news guest but when it came to our head of state saying something a lot harsher, suddenly it's about other people? But it seems that somehow you agree that he should also lose his job. According to the evidence presented thus far, the shooter appears to be considerably to the right of Kirk. Maybe we can all take a lesson here that we shouldn't make false conclusions before the facts are in.
@SBminisguy
Why should he "lose his job" because of stating this, that violence and death is the result of demonizing others? During 2020 several actual and presumed Trump supporters were killed by De…leftists. I brought the Prez' speech up in sympathy with 35thOVI who stated that someone who fans anger at a time like Kirk's killing should lose their job. I have no issue with that and offered another voice also coming across as angry to ask if he should also lose his job? I never discussed the truthfulness of the content just the inciteful tone which came across as violent. Made worse by the fact that he spoke without knowing any facts. Hardly a first but no less disappointing. How is he wrong? And he said "Radical Left" not "Democrats" -- so who here, exactly is being offended? I guess if you feel you're "Radical Left"?? We've been discussing the ability to label people terrorists and criminals as a way to eliminate them extra-judicially and without due process. I don't know if the radical left has to fear as much as those who can be casually labeled that way. What, you don't want the political violence to end?? You don't want an end to organized assaults on local and Federal law enforcement? I do but I don't see how you shut down abgry rhetoric with like rhetoric or violence with violence. Perhaps you can explain how this will work?
How is he wrong in any of his examples? I don't care to argue whether he is right or wrong just that it was neither calming nor helpful. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 9:05 a.m. PST |
"According to the evidence presented thus far, the shooter appears to be considerably to the right of Kirk. Maybe we can all take a lesson here that we shouldn't make false conclusions before the facts are in." ????? Sorry, but are you only watching MSNBC? Part 1 The killers family were Republicans according to reports. But the killer was not registered with either party and did not vote in the last election. The first is an unnamed source, which I dislike, but he gives a good rundown on everything I have read elsewhere. "In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was "pretty left on everything" and was "the only member of his family that was really leftist". "The rest of his family was very hard Republican," the friend said.
Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would "always just be ranting and arguing about them". The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to "calling in a big bomb that exists" in the game "called the 500 kilogram". When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. "I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far." The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games."
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"Robinson's family members told police that he had become 'more political in recent years', Cox said. They described incidents where Robinson had come to dinner and 'mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU and why he didn't like him'. Cox said that casings from the weapon used to kill Kirk were found to have several anti-fascist messages engraved on them, including one referencing the Italian anti-fascist song Bella Ciao. One engraving said 'Hey Fascists, Catch!' – next to an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol and three down arrow symbols – and another read 'If You Read This You Are Gay LMAO', Cox said. … What the casings said: What did the messages say? "What we know:
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said investigators found a bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the school. The rifle had a scope mounted on top. Messages on a fired bullet casing said, "Notices, bulges, OwO what's this?" Inscriptions were also found on three unfired casings. The first one read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows. The second one said, "Oh Bella, ciao, bella, ciao Bella ciao ciao ciao." The third one read, "If you read this, you are gay LMAO" What do the messages mean? Dig deeper:
"Notices, bulges, OwO what's this?" – This is a Gen Z phrase used in the "furry community." The OwO is meant to mimic a wide-eyed face emoji. "Hey fascist! Catch!" – This appears to be a reference to the Helldivers 2 video game. The arrows are the sequence of controller moves that allows the player to drop bombs. "Oh Bella, ciao, bella, ciao Bella ciao ciao ciao." – "Bella Ciao" is an Italian folk song and anti-fascist resistance anthem. AI edits of Trump singing it have been widely shared on social media. "If you read this, you are gay LMAO" – Conspiracy videos accusing Trump and his allies of being secretly gay have also been shared on TikTok. " …. "On Thursday evening, a family member of Robinson's reached out to a family friend, who contacted law enforcement and reported Robinson had "confessed to them or implied" that he was the shooter. Robinson's roommate also spoke with investigators and showed them messages from Robinson on Discord. Those messages discussed a rifle wrapped in a towel, a unique scope on the rifle and engravings on the bullets." … "A family member told investigators Robinson had become more political in recent years, and Robinson had mentioned that Kirk was coming to UVU. The family member said Robinson voiced his dislike of Kirk, saying Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate. The same family member said Robinson drove a gray Dodge Challenger. Investigators say Robinson arrived on campus in a gray Dodge Challenger." No… the killer was not "right" of Charlie Kirk. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 9:24 a.m. PST |
Part 2 As relates to hate. This is just a micro version of everything I've heard and read since the killing but these were convenient to grab.
Subject: MSNBC President Apologizes For Comments Made On Air About Charlie Kirk
link Subject: Lucy on X: "This young girl witnessed the assassination of Charlie Kirk. She also witnessed liberals cheering. Anyone who cheered can go straight to hell . t.co/lglTG1lFDX / X
link Subject: Lucy on X: "More faces of EVIL celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination!! Repost so the world can see who these demons are!!! t.co/FbNeRopwNy / X
link Subject: Boise Vigil for Charlie Kirk Descends into Violence as Sick Leftists Crash Event to Mock and Celebrate His Assassination (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald
link Subject: Thread by @camhigby on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App
link Subject: Real America's Voice (RAV) on X: "DEMOCRATS REFUSE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR CHARLIE KIRK ON THE HOUSE FLOOR "HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE OTHER SIDE!" @stinchfield1776 is so angry right now. t.co/TItAvyLkHM / X
link Subject: MSNBC's Tur: Charlie Kirk Is a 'Divisive Figure, Polarizing, Lightning Rod, Whatever Term You Want to Use'
link Subject: DC Comics Axes 'Red Hood' After Writer Cheers Charlie Kirk Assassination | OutKick
link Subject: Mr Commonsense on X: "@EndWokeness "He got the day he deserved" – Nurse with pronouns in bio at @HenryFordHealth in response to Charlie's ass*ssination Would you feel safe entrusting him with your healthcare? t.co/lByMW0Aosy / X
link Subject: ‘Why are yall sad?' Teachers, firefighters, officials on leave or fired over Charlie Kirk posts
link Subject: FEMA worker put on leave for slamming half-staff honor for Charlie Kirk | Fox News
link King has since tried to walk this back. Subject: Stephen King Makes Up Disgusting Lie About Charlie Kirk | OutKick
link Subject: Transgender Athlete Instagram Posts Cheers Assassination Of Charlie Kirk | OutKick
link Subject: End Wokeness on X: "Rep. Ilhan Omar is happy Charlie Kirk was kiIIed: "He downplayed George Floyd. He opposed Juneteenth." Look at their grins t.co/Ra5Eg4MZ3k / X
link I'll add on this one, the woman was fired by the company today. Subject: Michigan Forward on X: "A team member ordered and paid for a poster to be printed at @officedepot so he could bring it to a vigil for Charlie Kirk tonight in Michigan. When he arrived to pick it up four hours later, the employees said they refused to print it, calling the poster "propaganda." t.co/WCitioCzZF / X
link Just a small amount. I've also read this type of vitriol on some gay in-laws children's facebook accounts. I don't remember who asked why this is different than other murders. Why? Because this murderer assassinated someone because they spoke to their beliefs and the killer was incapable of verbal debate himself. Charlie Kirk invited "verbal debate". He usually could debate them into the ground too. Even my most conservative friends or family, NEVER have advocated killing someone we disagree with. I can sadly say, I have not felt remorse when some have died of natural causes. But I would NOT wish them assassinated. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 9:28 a.m. PST |
I will add, I believe more is going to come out shortly. |
| Grattan54 | 13 Sep 2025 10:34 a.m. PST |
Both sides have been pushing hate and dangerous Rhetoric. Eric Trump on Jesse Waters said I am tired of bullets going only one way. Sure sounds like he wants the right to start killing people on the left. Jessie waters nodded in agreement. Steve Bannon said we are in a war. gee, in a war bullets go both ways. 35thOVI you twice said liberals think MAGA are vermin. I can't think of a liberal who has said that, but I know one conservative who did. Trump called liberals vermin and said they were enemies of the state. You are right, liberals have called conservatives Fascists and Nazis. But the right has called the left socialists, communists, traitors and un-American. I have heard those terms used quite often on right programs and radio shows. You are right that a number of people on the right have been attacked, killed or almost killed. But remember Sen Grifford Democrat from Arizona was shot. Nancy Pelosi's husband was hit with a hammer, within days a few years back every former democratic president had bomb threats, the Democrat governor of Pennsylvania had his house set on fire, two Democrat state senators in Minnesota were shot along with their spouses, and finally, if you would ask any of the 120 police officers that were injured or wounded on Jan 6th I think they might say something about right wing violence. Point is, there are young male wackos that are behind most of this violence. They are the ones responsible. But both sides need to tone down the language. Let's stop this "No, WE are better than the side" crap. |
| OSCS74 | 13 Sep 2025 11:29 a.m. PST |
"There's no way to be sure we hit a boat of smugglers when the boat is gone and passengers dead." Just brilliant!! AMAZON missed the plane and they hired former drug runners to ship "prime". Now your package will never arrive. They could have been surfing without surf boards and got lost. All the fishing poles were taken by sharks and they were trying to chase down the sharks to recover them. The packages were whale food! Now all the whales will starve. They were hired to supply Greta Thunberg, since one of their boats that carried all the food was hit by a drone. |
| Maggot | 13 Sep 2025 11:53 a.m. PST |
G54,
respectfully you've picked some pretty poor examples of "right wing" political violence:
-Gifford's shooter-no ties to the political right just overwhelmingly obsessed with her.
-Pelosi's husband's attacker had no ties to the political right; he was a complete wackjob with delusions that his wife had been replaced by a body double. His claims of "Russiagate" were a sideshow to his clear inability to focus on any political discourse.
-Democrat governor of PA was attacked by a devout LEFT WING anti-semite. Zero ties to the political right, well known and documented ties to the left.
-Two democrats shot in MN: shooter had very few ties to either political spectrum, seemed to be uniquely concerned with abortion policy (admittedly often righter than left). Again, no strong evidence he was uniquely inspired by right wing ideology. Notice how quickly this story disappeared from the left wing media?
-120 police officers "hurt" on J6? Lets looks at the reverse of your statement:
-900 officers hurt in George Floyd riots, 51% increase in police deaths in the year after BLM "mostly peaceful" riots. Antifa terrorist riots restart as soon as a Republican wins office. Almost 600 known violent Antifa/BLM riots in less than a year over a completely false narrative. All uniquely inspired by left wing ideology with often direct support from the Democrat party or affiliated NGOs. How many right wing riots in that time? Answer: one.
-The Campus and anti-capitalist riots of the last year-all leftists with ties to communist inspired groups, many with ties to Democrat supported NGOs and Chinese Communist party supported private groups.
-Attacks on Tesla? 2x attacks on Trump, now Kirk? All left leaning ties.
-8 mass shooters (attempted and pulled off) in the last two years had ties to Trans-inspired far left wing dogma. How many on the right of the spectrum: none. By comparison, you can count on one hand actual proven "right wing" political violence in the last decade. The best most can come up with is "J6, J6, J6" Political violence in the US is overwhelmingly generated by the political left. For almost 40 years, left wing political terrorism in the US has been hidden and ignored by the left leaning media while "right leaning" incidents were played way out of proportion-much like the "white supremecist" lie that was copied from the leftists in Britain. Just like the realities of crime in the US, the narrative, not the truth, has dominated. And yes, the political left in the US are inspired by Marxist collective ideology and practice it when they can-see admissions on many college campuses and hiring in many government jobs; and the left openly admits it. They actually are inspired by or are committed socialists, communists and power hungry autocrats who are attempting to disrupt constitutional order in the US and seize complete control of the reigns of government-those 20 million illegals weren't let in to do "jobs Americans won't do" but to forever change the electoral maps in favor of the Democrat party by creating another class of citizens dependent on government largess. The political right follows:
small government (not fascist), patriotism (definitely right wing but not unique to Fascism), freedom of the individual over the collective (true Western liberalism). Hence, a spade is a spade: you can call the left communists and socialists because they ARE, but the right has almost none of the beliefs of Nazism or Fascism. So, yeah, while many on both sides talk a rough game, the reality: it is a one sided issue. The rise of the "populist right" is a direct result of decades of out of control government and leftist ideology in all branches of government and private life.
Cheers to all, |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 11:59 a.m. PST |
Where to start on the above 🤔 1) Cody Balmer (Gov of Penn) was just a nut job completely, who hated politicians on both sides along with women. "I didn't see anything that is indicative of any extremist ideology," Baumgartner said. "For the most part, it was just sort of run-of-the-mill, ‘I don't like either party' content.'" "CNN
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Cody Balmer, the man accused of setting fire to Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro's residence, told 911 operators he targeted the governor in part because of what he believed were Shapiro's views on the war in Gaza, according to search warrants released Wednesday. The warrants, first reported by news site PennLive, say Balmer called 911 early Sunday after the fire and said Shapiro, who is Jewish, needs to know he "will not take part in his plans for what he wants to do to the Palestinian people."" So sounds more like those on the campuses. But I will go with a nut job, unaffiliated with any side. … 2) I assume you did not listen to Eric trump (on Hannity, not Watters). So here you go. "Eric Trump said he's "sick" of seeing political shootings and claimed the bullets are only flying "one way" in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. The president's second son spoke to Fox News host Sean Hannity after the conservative activist, 31, was shot dead at Utah Valley University, sparking a manhunt for a killer who remains at large. Trump suggested that political violence is only targeting conservative figures, noting the two assassination attempts on his father's life in 2024, the 2022 assassination attempt on Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and the 2017 mass shooting at a practice for the Congressional Baseball Game, which left House Majority Leader Steve Scalise injured. "I'm sick and tired of seeing the bullets; they're only going one way," Trump said. "Again, first it was my father, then you saw what they tried to do to Kavanaugh, what they did to Steve Scalise. Now they just killed Charlie Kirk."" The clip is at the beginning and runs over 3 minutes. He is NOT calling for violence, but instead feels the violence is only directed toward conservatives recently, including 2 failed attempts on his father and at least 2 others nipped that I know of, before hand. Subject: Eric Trump Claims Bullets Aimed at Political Figures ‘Only Going One Way'
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3) Jan 6th
Subject: How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot? – FactCheck.org
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"In a tweet on Oct. 24, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez referred to the Capitol riot on Jan. 6 as "a terror attack," which she said resulted in "almost 10 dead." She called for "any member of Congress who helped plot" it to be "expelled."
Journalist Glenn Greenwald commented on Twitter that the claim of "‘almost 10 dead' from the 1/6 riot is deceitful in the extreme. Four people died on 1/6: all Trump supporters." There is reasoned debate about the number who died as a result of the Capitol riot. Ocasio-Cortez is including law enforcement officials who responded to the Capitol that day and committed suicide in the days and months afterward. None of them have been officially designated as "line of duty" deaths, though there is some congressional support for it. Ocasio-Cortez's tally also includes two rally participants who died of heart failure — including one who died before other protesters had breached the Capitol. It includes a rallygoer who was initially believed to have been trampled to death in the mayhem that day, but was later determined to have died of an accidental overdose." The government overdose story is very much in question. Yes the crowd injured most officers, (cuts and bruises were counted as injuries). Latter testimony also had injuries done by other officers. On film I saw 1 officer fire tear gas (I assume) into the back of his own men. "From AI Testimony and accounts detailing accidental injuries include:
Crushed in doorways: Metropolitan Police Department Officer Daniel Hodges testified that he was crushed in a doorway as rioters pushed against him. The resulting pressure, and the actions of officers attempting to keep the line, contributed to the crushing force.
"Slipping in people's blood": Officer Caroline Edwards described a scene of "carnage" and "chaos," testifying that she slipped in other people's blood. The crowded, violent conditions made it difficult for officers to maneuver safely and avoid friendly-fire injuries.
Indiscriminate use of chemical sprays: Both rioters and officers used chemical irritants, which exposed officers to the "friendly fire" of their colleagues' sprays. This was particularly hazardous inside the Capitol, where the gases had nowhere to dissipate. For example, Officer Edwards was exposed to tear gas after witnessing Officer Brian Sicknick being sprayed by rioters.
Knocked unconscious: In her testimony, Officer Edwards recounted being knocked unconscious after a bike rack was pushed into her by the mob and she fell backward. Amid the confusion, another officer directed her to get up, even though she was dazed from the fall. " 4) as to maga being called vermin, google no matter the search words only returns anti Trump, but as to his words, is this what you refer to? "The speech: At a rally in Claremont, New Hampshire, Trump stated, "We will put America first and today, especially in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country"." 5) the others 1) one spouted Qanon rhetoric. 2) the other a fundamentalist Christian. Both would qualify as "radical right." Too finish: All along with Facists, Nazis, Racists, homophobes, misogynists, Don't forget we are "Deplorables" too. I'll add: From Obama's "bitter-clingers" to Biden's "garbage," the Democrat politicians have nothing but contempt for Americans supporting Donald Trump. So I finish with this, I have not seen "liberal" speakers run off college campuses, shouted down, attacked, forced to hide in locked rooms and now be killed for voicing views, by conservative students. I've seen all of this from the other. I didn't always agree with Charlie Kirk, but he had the right to say it. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 12:11 p.m. PST |
Again, before too long I think his motivations will be made readily apparent. It is already in many web sites and will probably hit later tonight or tomorrow in major sites. I won't post until and if it does. |
| Incavart77 | 13 Sep 2025 12:45 p.m. PST |
Sorry, but are you only watching MSNBC? Nah, I'm not retired. I spend most of my workday making a lot of money. I'm a capitalist. I'm nowhere as deeply invested in this left vs right business as you are. I need to mention that you come across as angry, convinced that you're infallibly right and that anyone who doesn't hold your views is someone for you to lunge at. I get the impression that you think we are permanently divided and you don't think there is a country anymore and if that's the case, why worry about who believes what? |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 1:23 p.m. PST |
I may come across that way. If so, only because I have been attacked so many times on TMP and called multiple things. PTSD – Posting TMP stress disorder. 😉 Of course I believe I'm right. I'm not? 😱🙂 It is frustrating having people demand your sources when they disagree with mine and others who have the same views. Yet don't require the same of themselves. Then when you use sources, they immediately challenge them. "They aren't a valid source!!" . Most people who disparage, let us say FOX, have watched it few times, if any, but go by what their ".pet" go to media says about the channel. Maybe they watch one of the "News/opinion" shows like a Hannity and get upset. Shows like that are "opinion" news. They even say that. Unlike some other channels that pass everything the broadcast as news. When obviously it is not. Right now there is one major and one minor, right leaning news services, (Fox and Newsmax". How can one hope to get a rounded perspective, without watching them? The other MSM is vehemently anti Trump and propagated with those with the same views and political leanings. The same goes as well, with big papers, very few lean right any longer. Just one item for now. How did the MSM handle Biden's decline and obvious inability to handle day to day functioning? Did they say he "was fine", "he can run circles around us"? Even when your own eyes said otherwise. When your ears told you he wasn't. When he had to have a prompter or a scripted list of people to call on and questions to take? When he fell over, walked into the woods, tripped multiple times going up stairs.. ? It was only at the end that they would start to talk about it, after the disaster of a debate. They and his politicians lied to you. Lied daily. Lied repeatedly. Why would someone continue to trust them? And this was just one of many. Just one of the most dangerous of many, because we had no idea who was in charge. Only Fox and the other evil right media brought this up during his full term. I told people from day one of the debates before the 2020 election, that Joe was showing signs of alzheimer's or dementia. He showed every sign my father had and behaved in the same way. But Joe was at that time, 3 or so years below my father as far as progression. No one progresses at the same rates. Also Joe had top medical care and drugs, no doubt. I am always willing to listen to other views, as long as they don't degenerate into name calling, belittling…. Then I respond back in kind. Ok, off my soapbox if you would like it. 😉 |
| OSCS74 | 13 Sep 2025 1:31 p.m. PST |
"There's no way to be sure we hit a boat of smugglers when the boat is gone and passengers dead." Just in from FCN:
11 Maryland brothers were killed off Venezuela. They were suppose to
rendezvous with Neptune daughters for a wedding. Wedding gifts and dowry were destroyed. King Neptune swears revenge and will unleash hurricanes he has been holding back. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 1:42 p.m. PST |
Incavart Yes I believe we are heavily divided. New England, the West Coast, collage towns and Big cities one way and the rest the other. Even in my own family. My wife's sister, brother and one niece cut ties with us because we voted for Trump. Nothing more, just that. Her Sister will now talk with her on occasion, but the niece and brother (both gay) will not. They both believe that they are going to rounded up an put in camps. 🙄 That is the kind of crap they read and hear from their friends. You should see their Facebook. But if my wife says anything positive about the President, they have apoplexy. In other words, their views are the correct ones and you have no right to yours. Sound something like the shooter? I have friends and acquaintances, who have told me, other family members have cut them off as well. For the same reasons. I have a cousin he hates Trump with a passion. She can say whatever she wants, but loses her temper if you say anything to try say anything opposed to her views. I hope we can come back. Too old for a new Civil War. 😉 |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 1:43 p.m. PST |
OCS you forgot, they were loving fathers and husbands from Maryland too. 😉 |
| OSCS74 | 13 Sep 2025 2:35 p.m. PST |
Incavart, "Nah, I'm not retired. I spend most of my workday making a lot of money. I'm a capitalist". You sound like a "stand up philosopher". |
| Tortorella | 13 Sep 2025 2:46 p.m. PST |
35th, that Boise incident. Didn't the BLM guy ride through the vigil, shout"F-Charlie Kirk" then get pulled off his bike and beaten? Who are these X people?
It kind of baffles me that this is a source sometimes. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 4:02 p.m. PST |
X is what was twitter. There may have been 2 incidents there. The first one I saw had multiple anti Kirk protesters trying to disrupt a prayer vigil. |
| SBminisguy | 13 Sep 2025 4:04 p.m. PST |
The Blue states control the wealth. There are no Blue States -- only Blue Cities. The Big Blue cities dominate suburbs and rural areas of respective States, and even then they are often not the majority of the electorate. Like my area, the Democrats are 49% but control ONE HUNDRED PERCENT politically through gerrymandering and election games. So God forbid there's a split, you do not have "Blue States," only disconnected Blue Cities dappled across the US which are all dependent on the sea of Red Counties for survival. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 4:23 p.m. PST |
Ok, it now looks like it is safe to post this: "EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin lived with his transgender partner, senior-level FBI officials told Fox News Digital. Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson, 22, was in a "romantic relationship" with the unnamed person, who is a male transitioning to a female, and that they shared an apartment in Saint George, Utah. Those FBI officials told Fox News Digital that Robinson's partner is fully cooperating with the FBI's investigation. One FBI official told Fox News Digital the individual has been "extremely cooperative," and said the person "had no idea" Robinson was allegedly planning to assassinate the Turning Point USA founder. The person is not currently accused of any criminal activity in connection with the assassination. FBI officials told Fox News Digital that the FBI had text messages and other communications between Robinson and his partner that helped FBI agents zero in on Robinson. Officials said the FBI took evidence from their apartment, including computers, which has been sent to Quantico for review, Fox News Digital has learned. The FBI declined to comment on whether Robinson's partner would be charged with a crime."
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From another source: "A 22-year-old wannabe professional gamer who lived with Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin gave cops incriminating text messages leading to his arrest. Lance Twiggs turned over Tyler Robinson, who lived with him in a three-bedroom apartment in Saint George, Utah, Daily Mail can reveal. Twiggs showed police texts from Robinson about stashing a gun linked to Wednesday's shooting of the prominent conservative activist at Utah Valley University (UVU), a law enforcement affidavit said." His partner is according to sources, also a "furry". Very much like the recent school shooters relationship. |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 5:42 p.m. PST |
Tort, Here is your confrontation
"The brawl erupted in front of the Idaho state Capitol in Boise the evening of Kirk's killing, local reports said.
A man wearing a white T-shirt and rainbow-colored backpack reportedly shouted "F--- Charlie Kirk" into the crowd while on a Lime bike, sparking outrage among attendees. Police later identified him as 41-year-old Terry Wilson, a local Black Lives Matter activist, according to KIVI. Tensions rose when 51-year-old Alfonso Ayala confronted Wilson, sparking a heated exchange that quickly turned physical, the station reported. As some in the crowd chanted "USA! USA!" and others repeatedly urged them to stop, Wilson was seen being knocked to the ground, kicked and struck before getting back up and punching back. Video shows that the brawl continued until police and other attendees intervened. Wilson then crossed the street in the footage, swearing at the crowd and demanding "free speech!"
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"Police eventually arrested both Wilson and Ayala, KIVI reported. While taking Wilson into custody, officers said they discovered a firearm and marijuana in his possession, the local outlet reported. He reportedly faces misdemeanor charges of disturbing the peace, carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence and possession of marijuana. Wilson was taken to a hospital for treatment before being booked into the Ada County Jail, KIVI added." |
| 35thOVI | 13 Sep 2025 5:51 p.m. PST |
Subject: Sources: Kirk suspect's transgender roommate "aghast," may be key to motive
link |
| Incavart77 | 13 Sep 2025 5:53 p.m. PST |
@35thOVI I may come across that way. If so, only because I have been attacked so many times on TMP and called multiple things. PTSD – Posting TMP stress disorder. 😉 Alright, fine.
@OSCS74
Incavart,"Nah, I'm not retired. I spend most of my workday making a lot of money. I'm a capitalist". You sound like a "stand up philosopher". Ha! I certainly BSd plenty yesterday. |
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