"Barons War - Looking for 2 Coats of Arms / Flags" Topic

Looking for the following -

1. Something to use for the City of London forces, although I can just use the commander's banner if needed.

2. The younger Montforts (I have Simon and Henry)
Guy Montfort
Simon Montfort the Younger

3. Something as the "Baron" Army Standard, though likely nothing. I have Simon's banner for his bodyguard, but he had a wagon of sorts. Looking for a banner for that. My understanding is that William Blount carried the Army Standard.

4. Henry of Almain (Richard Cornwell's son)

According to link 'A reference in Liber Custumarum (COL/CS/01/006) refers to the service of Robert Fitz-Walter, Castellain of London, who died in 1235, in which he receives from the Mayor the banner of the City "of bright red, with a figure of St Paul in gold, with the feet and hands and head in silver and a sword in the hand of the said figure".' That would probably be the flag used by the London militia.

Wikimedia link has a pic it suggests is Henry of A's arms, but in fact it's just the same as his father's – compare link Since Richard of Cornwall was still alive during the war, you could just use the same coat and add a label.

PDF link says that the arms of Simon de Montfort's sons, thus including both Simon the Younger and Guy, were on the parents' tomb in Paris and are all the lion arms that Simon the Elder used. Doesn't mention whether they used any cadency marks to distinguish them.

A bit early for the cadency marks to be standardised but a label for the firstborn was known before that. Still some instances of father & sons all depicted using the same arms at this time but debatable if that is proof it was commonplace on the battlefield. French/Norman practice was quite possibly different to English.

Cadency is a good idea.

I see at Lewes a lot had labels, so I might mix that. Henry is shown with a label.

Blaauw's rather old book on the 2nd BW says that the Countess of Leicester's tomb had various coats of arms.
"Of the four coats of Montfort the two upper are for her eldest son Henry and Almeric the priest, both without difference ; the third, Simon (?) has a label of four points for difference and the fourth is seme" of crosslets, Guy (?)"

The question marks are Blaauw's.

Blaauw also comments on de Montfort's carriage. He plumps for a litter slung between tow horses, but he does give a sources describing it as a 'quadriga' or 'currus'. Whatever it was, it certainly wasn't a standard wagon as at the battle of the Standard – the vehicle had been built to carry de Montfort while recuperating and Blaauw says it was placed to give the impression that he was still bed bound. The carriage instead held some burghers of London seemingly caged behind iron grills.
He goes on to say
"This car, with his baggage, was purposely stationed by de Montfort on a conspicuous point of the hill, and was left surrounded by his own standard and pennons, with a competent guard under the charge of William de Blund, a gallant young warrior, who had been a party to the arbitration of the French King, and was attached to the service of de Montfort. The tents and baggage of the other barons were also arranged on the hill."
Even if the banner was attached to the carriage, it would be de Montfort's normal banner to preserve the illusion of his being in the camp.
While it seems counter-intuitive to have a commander's banner away from his person, Charles of Anjou did just that at Tagliacozzo in 1268, so it was certainly a contemporary ruse.

My attempt at the Londoner's flag is on my blog. link
Note that I have a Fitzwalter with them, though I do note that he had been captured before Lewes.

The link to the seal I used is broken but I think it was this
link from c.1219. Odd that the lions face that way.

Very helpful