"No Perry shipments to U.S....great" Topic

Just got an email from Perry Miniatures.

Due to the presidential executive order of July 30th regarding the $800 USD threshold import exemption (originally set to be in place until 2027), but now will be ended August 29th 2025, about a week from now, all future shipments to the U.S. from Perry Miniatures are temporarily/indefinitely SUSPENDED.

Don't know how long this will last, and I don't know how much of Perry's business is from the U.S. But however much it is,for now they've lost all of that business.

I was about to place a $100 USD Perry order literally tonight. So much for that!

It's funny, it's almost as if the people in power want to make it as hard as possible to do business. Can you feel the greatness yet?

Can't wait to go on Tiktok tonight and hear how awesome this supposedly is for our country, and how awesome he supposedly is for our economy,and that I just don't know any better because I'm on the wrong side.

I was about to add to my T-26 collection from a company in Australia – but they've stopped shipping to the USA because of this. Aargh!

I'm sorry because this isn't fun but these policies are all ultimately aimed at decoupling the US from the CCP and finally fighting back after 30 years of economic warfare against America by the CCP. Sucks for producers. Sucks for consumers. A little bit of that is far more tolerable than the CCP being globally ascendant.

CCP? The Chinese? How does making economic warfare against America's used-to-be allies and every other country on the planet (except the CCCP, that is Russia) help? How does trying to bankrupt Canada in order to annex it help? Nothing coming out of America makes sense.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. They just told the largest consumer-driven economy in the world they don't want our business.

Dumb and Dumber.

If one takes a rational and honest look at US trade practices for the last @80 years (in essence since the end of WW2), the US has given its overseas partners great leeway to "handicap" American businesses in favor of their own-overwhelmingly through tariffs aimed at American goods. Historically, the US should have ended these trade practices in the early 1970s, when Europe and Japan had in effect, fully recovered from the devastation of WW2.

Unfortunately, the US did not do so, and even more foolishly, doubled down on these trade practices in the early 1980's in regards to China. China, for its end, has engaged in predatory capitalism not seen in the West since the days of colonialism-again, a Western practice that effectively ceased with the close of the second world war. China is now the major source of stolen trademarks on the planet, with those effects making US and European made goods even more expensive vis a' vis Chinese made goods. European and US "capitalist liberals" have engaged in a race to import as much cheap labor as possible to try to offset those Chinese advantages, but those "bills" are now coming due, as cultural conflict grows in both the US and Europe, with increasingly large non-Westernized minorities failing to both integrate and produce the labor pools (but definitely producing tax payer funded dependent voting blocks to keep those same people in power, at least for now) that Western capitalism often relied on.

Hence, while these new tariffs may make short term pain, the end goal, as far as the US is concerned, is to "right set" trade practices which have been nothing short of devastating to the US middle class, which has continued a sharp decline since the 1970s, with increasing wealth gaps between the "rich" and middle and lower classes in the US. Keep in mind the large social welfare states of Europe (which are starting to show significant signs of failure) were built on the back of the American tax-payer, who funded the defense of Europe, and sacrificed long term financial stability, that until recently, was taken for granted in Europe.

Unfortunately the winds of political change are hurricane like in the US, and a likely opposite political force will likely come to power in 3-7 years and undo a lot of these changes before they can complete their reset.

I suspect European small businesses will change their tune within the next six months, maybe add a few extra euros/pounds/etc.. to each order, but nonetheless resume their trade. Business has to adapt to the ever shifting winds of political change….

This is all about decoupling. In the event of a war America is in real trouble because our economy too linked to China. Chinese companies were using de minimis to get around the tariff. When it ended for China they just shipped it to other countries and then to the US to avoid the tariffs in lots of small packages. I didn't understand Trump's policies in many areas until I heard a few interviews with current and former Trump admin officials and loyalists and it all goes back to China. They clearly believe Xi's rhetoric about being ready for war by 2027 (always good to take a potential enemy seriously). Tariffs are decoupling. Border security is preventing flow of fentanyl and foreign agents. Striking the cartels and the standoff with Maduro are because they view them as proxy forces of China that are destabilizing the US. TikTok sale is cutting off CCP propaganda and data mining. Banning Chinese ownership of land is securing bases in the homeland from surprise attacks like the Ukrainian drones in Russia.

I don't know that I agree with the original premise or the solutions but that is what it boils down to. Listen to what Kash Patel, Erik Prince, and Palmer Luckey

When there is such a dramatic change as the Trump tariffs, businesses need time to adjust. It is far more complicated than it might seem. Not only are the tariffs bad, but Trump's almost daily shifts with the amounts going up and down causes uncertainty, which forces businesses to put off big decisions until there is more stability. I believe the worst is yet to come as the inflation caused by the tariffs kicks in and businesses around the world shift their focus from the US to more stable, friendly markets. We are in a period of turmoil right now and so we just need to be patient. Of course Perry wants all of the business they can get. I'm sure they have good reasons for pausing US shipments temporarily just as many big name companies are doing.

+1 Maggot. I hope the US is able to get back to a more even trade practice with the rest of the world in a few years. But, like you, I'm not optimistic that the political will is there.

Maggot +1

The problem is not "cutting off your nose to spite your face" or caving in eventually. The problem is some decided to make a procedural change without letting companies make the necessary adjustments. Australia Post has also said it is still trying to work out how things work.
Also said companies are content to suspend sales to the largest consumer driven economy which suggests they can afford the loss of trade.
It's your economy, do with it as you will, but don't expect everyone else to fall in to line "because ". Punish Chinese trade practices, not your friends.

Aren't we already kvetching about this?
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I refuse to get immediately upset because bureaucrats take longer to adjust tax collection methods than executives need to change the taxes. If things haven't stabilized in six months to a year, remind me and I'll join in the chorus.

Hang on tight, guys. The US doesn't do this often--1800, 1824, 1860, 1932 and now--and it always takes a while to arrive at a new normal. Keep reserves of lead and paint just in case, and be glad it isn't toilet paper this time.

Don't forget about Old Glory. Great price for lots of figures. Get into that period you always wanted.

Maggot, but why would the US implement a policy that it is not ready for? That makes no sense to me. And playing tough with your closest trading partners, Mexico and Canada, seems really stupid to me. I think it shows that the current US administration doesn't understand how trade really works. It can be a win/win proposition. To the extent that the US is moving towards a win/win system I support it. Right now it seems more like a lose/lose proposition.

+1 Maggot.
We can't give notice, it's too late for that. Trump has one term to fix it, and if you give the Communist Chinese time they take advantage, like shipping to third parties to avoid Chinese tariffs.
The importer pays the tariff, and just like any other expense large or small the business can choose to pass it on to the consumer, or they can eat some or all of the cost.
100,000 Americans per year die of drug overdose, most of which is from China, often via Canada or Mexico, and frequently vis de minimus shipments.
Mexico and Canada have not done enough to stop it so the US his leaning on them. Also Canada has some tariffs on certain US goods that are over 200% !! Okay for them to tariff us, but not okay for us to tariff them?
Japanese and German cars are all over the US in every parking lot, but how many American cars are in Japan or Germany?
There will be some re-adjustment but perhaps we can get of drugs, educate our youth and open factories and get rid of the rust belt.
My dad owned a house, a car, and had a stay at home wife raising two boys, all with one factory job, on a 6th grade education. Now it is difficult to do that with no kids and two college degree adults working.
Mike

My projects for this year just went to hell.

"Don't forget about Old Glory. Great price for lots of figures."

Lots of bad figures. While they do have some good ranges, the 28mm AWI range isn't the best. Perry's AWI range is in another league. No one makes the quality and variety of 28mm AWI Perry's Miniatures.

"Hang on tight, guys."

You hang on tight. I am too old to wait. I didn't vote for any of this.

People. They are "temporarily" suspending shipments to the US. Last I checked, temporarily meant just that. Meanwhile get busy reducing the lead/plastic/resin mountain in your place of residence.

Then tell me how long is temporary? Do you think I would be ordering these specific figures if I already had them.

"I didn't vote for this". I didn't vote for the last guy to deliver crippling inflation that effectively erased five years of my raises, soaring home prices, or a botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. And yet I'm here and I'm okay. I hope you can say the same in a few years.

I was under the impression that the pauses by various companies in sales to the US stemmed from a US requirement for the sellers to add the cost of the tarriff to a customer's order, and then for the company to pay that to the US government. But that for small companies there is no mechanism for them to do so. If the tarriff was collected in the US in the same way that VAT is collected when an overseas order arrives in the UK then it wouldn't be an issue. So this is a US imposed blocker and not the fault of the companies concerned

"I think it shows that the current US administration doesn't understand how trade really works. It can be a win/win proposition"

Quite. 'doesn't understand' is something of an understatement. Apparently the current administration believes in sixteenth century mercantilism.

Poor Adam Smith and David Ricardo are spinning in their graves. You can't tax your way out of 40 years of industrial decline caused by promoting an economic system which rewards speculation instead of production.

It's interesting that the US doesn't want its citizens buying products from other countries, allies included. I think I'll play tit for tat and stop buying from US companies. It's a shame, because I like some of your products.

And of course I understand that no US company will even notice the loss of my business. It's the principal, you understand.

I've just looked up Trump Turnberry and Trump International Golf links on the map.

There are Warhammer shops nearby in both Ayr and Aberdeeen, along with a couple in Glasgow near Prestwick airport.

So, this new USD800 no orders from UK thing doesn't really affect DJT – he can just stop the limo and stock up in Schottland.

but why would the US implement a policy that it is not ready for?

Necessity is the mother of invention. If you wait until you're ready, that's a day that never comes.

No pain, no gain

It's interesting that the US doesn't want its citizens buying products from other countries, allies included. I think I'll play tit for tat and stop buying from US companies. It's a shame, because I like some of your products.

And of course I understand that no US company will even notice the loss of my business. It's the principal, you understand.

No, no, no. It's all the fault of we Euros for not stopping Chinese drugs entering the US via Mexico, and for not buying ugly, gas guzzling American cars that don't we don't want because there are far better options, and that don't fit on our roads anyway.

I think…

Again, you don't have to understand it, you will feel it.

🤔 Just an observation. A lot of similar outrage on TMP, that I remember reading when the President attempted to force the members of NATO to increase to 2%. Now it's 5%.

The U.S. increases their tariffs, the Chinese? Well ….,,

Subject: Australian and Philippine defense chiefs to talk as disputes simmer over the South China Sea – DNyuz


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I doubt it will be much of an interruption.

Royal Mail/Parcelforce are apparently already working on a duty-covered form of shipping, where the shipper pays the tariff when purchasing the postage. All it really means is a roughly 10%-12% price increase, which has already been present on UK stuff sold here in the US.

Ultimately I'll buy a couple less packs of Perry stuff when I order, and probably source their plastics from US distributors.

Marcus,
Unfortunately "waiting" is not possible in the US political system; as I stated already, the winds of political change blow often, and I suspect this current course will change in just a few years, back to the globalist, left wing policies (and the capitalist right is to blame as well-I'm looking at you H1-B scam that's cost hundreds of thousands of American jobs for cheap imported labor) that has done so much harm to middle America.

I'll have to disagree, the current administration has a very good grasp of trade and how it has been negatively impacting the American worker. The problem is, the rot is so deep and stacked against the American worker (by our own government) that it could take decades of political stability, something that the US does not have, to correct.

And these types of things are of grave concern to myself as I work in the field of international trade….so yes I wake up most days these last few months wondering if I'm still going to be employed.

Just an observation. A lot of similar outrage on TMP, that I remember reading when the President attempted to force the members of NATO to increase to 2%. Now it's 5%.

The U.S. increases their tariffs, the Chinese? Well ….,,

Subject: Australian and Philippine defense chiefs to talk as disputes simmer over the South China Sea – DNyuz

Just an observation. Every one of the tariff threads have been started by Americans.

It's you Yanks that are doing the whining about not being able to get toy soldiers, and Germany not buying your crap cars. We Euros aren't that bothered, we're certainly not 'outraged'.

Perrys have decided they don't want your business. Other companies have/will follow suit. Suck it up.

Have any of the governments which have been told they have to collect the tariffs for goods exported to the US, for the US government, decided to withhold part of the tariff as a fee for doing so? 25% would seem reasonable for the service they're providing to the US government…..

What the Perrys said.

"We were hoping the postal infrastructure would be in place before now but are currently waiting for further updates, therefore we have no option but to temporarily suspend shipments to the US

We are as exasperated with this as we imagine you are and will begin shipping again as soon as humanly possible.

Thank you for your understanding"

Alan & Michael

Gob

Did I say Europeans? I'll answer for you… NO.
There were "Yanks" complaining about the 2% increase. "Can't make them pay! They will leave NATO! 😱". As well is Europeans.

But maybe you are feeling guilty?

Not sure why Europeans are even concerned about the tariffs on miniatures unless you sell them here. Does not effect you're buying them from your countries.

Early on, I bought all U.S. manufactured men. My last being "Old Glory".

As others pointed out, we have been the victims of un even trade practices for decades and this may all be water under the bridge within a year. Just like 2% and NATO.

D6 +1.

OVA

What have I got to feel guilty about?

Odd statement. I'm Irish, we barely have an army, and aren't a NATO member. Ireland owes you nothing.

100,000 Americans per year die of drug overdose, most of which is from China, often via Canada or Mexico, and frequently vis de minimus shipments.

I am more prone to blame the idiots who become drug addicts in the first place.
There is no Xian Xi, Pedro Suarez or Robert McKenzie leaping out from a bush and fiendishly injecting Billy Bob or Tammy Lynn with fentanyl. I once was at a sales meeting where some ass was explaining exactly how much fentanyl was needed to give just the right high. He wasn't very good salesman…

So, go after the addicts. They're the ONLY ones responsible for this "crisis". In the meantime, my Perry needs are minimal. But my Gringo40s needs are growing.
Yesterday there were some Drudge headlines about the US preparing to invade Mexico to go after cartels. Rather than commit acts of war, I would rather see this so-called crisis go after the idiot users.

gobinu said:

"and for not buying ugly, gas guzzling American cars that don't we don't want because there are far better options, and that don't fit on our roads anyway."

Our ugly, gas guzzling American cars that you don't want and don't fit on your roads anyway…oddly enough…according to you, our cars don't fit on your roads…but our tanks fit European roads quite well….
hmmm….

"I am more prone to blame the idiots who become drug addicts in the first place."

Or perhaps consider how the US medical/pharma/insurance industry has managed to create a nation of opiod addicts?

It isn't such a problem elsewhere.

Suppliers are just responding to demand, as they tend to do in market economies.

OFM said:

"Yesterday there were some Drudge headlines about the US preparing to invade Mexico to go after cartels."

We're not going to invade Mexico. That would be a Vietnam on our southern border, (it practically already is).

"Rather than commit acts of war, I would rather see this so-called crisis go after the idiot users."

We've been doing that for over 50 years with the "War on Drugs". It's been largely a failure.

We also tried that with another drug, we called it "Prohibition". Look how THAT turned out….

@Murphy.

Again, I'm Irish, like you pretend to be. Ireland is not a NATO member, got it? Hmmm?

Hopefully tariffs on Antarctic trade are going to help re-balancing US commerce.

Gob

"What have I got to feel guilty about?"

You're the one who insinuated I was singling out Europeans with my original text, you tell me. 🙂

Boy, if we were "snip, snipping" all the politics from this thread, would there be anything left?

"Hopefully tariffs on Antarctic trade are going to help re-balancing US commerce."

Bloody penguins!! Taking advantage of us for decades. Demanding we switch to environmentally friendly energy because "our homes will melt!". Well boo hoo! Learn how to live elsewhere, we did! Now I've heard they are letting the Chinese build bases there. 😱

Never trust a bird that can't fly and who are always wearing a tux!!

Gob actually not.

As I stated that was just another thing the anti Trump'ers Bi#ched about at the time, both here and across the pond.

As you pointed out, you aren't part of NATO anyway, so why respond? Hence why i thought you must feel guilty.

Also the whiners about this seem to be from both sides.

"Again, I'm Irish, like you pretend to be. Ireland is not a NATO member, got it? Hmmm?"

1: Please show me where I have ever "tried to pretend I am Irish?" Go ahead, we'll wait….

2: Saying "You're Irish", isn't some sort of Carte Blanche know all end all be all excuse or golden ticket. Honestly? We don't care if you are Irish, (and keep banging that drum, or bodhrán in this case… )

3: Ireland isn't part of NATO. Yeah, We know. Once again, we don't care.

4: Instead of being p*ssed about US Shipping/Tariff policies and such, perhaps you need to focus more on your own issues on the old Emerald Isle, as right now you seem to have a massive issue going on with your government and the influx of 3rd world immigration there.

5: Beside, last time I checked Perry is UK, not Ireland, so why are you even griping about US policies that don't affect you? Why are you griping about NATO? Simply put, WHY are you griping? Unless you just like to gripe about something…

As I often say: "But you do you."

We. Really. Don't. Care.

Stoppage, are you accusing the President of being a GW player? I've said some harsh things about the man--some of them even true--but there are limits.

I feel bummed for those that are disappointed in not being able to get orders from Perry Miniatures.

At the same time …

… if you're into 28mm AWI, give a go to Brigade Games …

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Or one could always get into 40mm AWI with Sash and Saber …

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Plus there is Day of Battle POD …

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… and they do 28mm, 40mm, and 54mm.

Thank you Game Poet for all the good advice for Brigade Games, S&S and myself :)

And we have free shipping on orders over $30 USD and an army discount for orders over $50 USD :):)

To be clear, the de minimus issue with China is very different that that of the UK or EU. Fentanyl was/is a de minimus package issue with China and secondary reshipment through Mexico. That along with certain questionable behavior by Temu and Shein make those efforts reasonable although a national import sales tax (aka tariff) is a poor substitute for better inspection. I also agree with the OFM in having difficulty feeling sorry for opioid users and agree reducing demand is a way better solution than focusing on supply.

I've seen no data suggesting that drug shipment via de minimus packages from the EU or UK (or Canada for that matter) has ever been an issue nor aside from the national import sales tax, any suggestion of added inspection. I also do not believe I have seen any data suggesting that the EU or UK tax schemes at the de minimus level are particularly hostile to US business as the VAT is applicable to all their own internal businesses and citizens.

Genuine reciprocal tariffs on specific industries and practices are legitimate and in many cases, India leaps to mind overdue, but the current calculations and methods are flawed. Actual tariffs and practices were not used in the calculations only balance of trade which is generally a poor method when measuring trade between a small natural resource producer (say Honduras) and a large consumer nation such as the US. Similarly the US has placed tariffs on countries in which the US has a positive balance of trade such as Brazil. I think a careful, targeted and measured approach to trade rebalance is needed in some cases but simply poorly constructed, mathematically flawed numbers are not the answer.

It should also be discussed in the correct language as it is fundamentally a National Import Sales Tax and will be paid primarily by the US consumer. Very large US firms that import such as Walmart, Costco, Ford or GM may choose to eat some of the cost but smaller entities with tighter margins can't and will pass this on to the consumer. While I believe the deficit is the number one issue and can afford this sales tax however much it hits my pocket, the revenue raised a) mostly comes out of US pockets and thus hits either US buyers as a form of inflation or US Corporate profits thus US shareholders b) still isn't close to actually ending deficit spending. The US may ultimately gain some industrial capacity in select critical industries over time due to tariffs but tariffs will never change the fundamental cost of labor. It will always be cheaper to make fungible goods such a 'fast fashion' clothing using cheap exploited labor in the less developed world and the retail consumer will always buy that.